Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Darkwizardzin]

......Can we all just agree that SE needs to improve the staff relic/mythic/emp weapons so they match the melee weapons counterparts in usefulness?

[Aurara]

I think you are overlooking things. Nobody is "crapping all over smn" as you claim they are. What they are doing is being logical and pointing out things that SMN is good at(i.e EA, PD). I'm terribly sorry that you don't want to realize this, however it's the truth. SMN is not going to be better for curing, or DDing than say ukon war, kannagi nin vereth mnk, twash thf/dnc or most melee emps. We are not dissing SMN at all, we are just trying to point out that it does have limited uses. The neat thing is however, that in voidwatch smn is pretty useful for proccing and supporting the tank pt with EA. And just so you know, i'm and Ukonvasara war, with pretty much top gear, and i still get asked to WHM or THF to a lot of stuff.

[Alhanelem]

......Can we all just agree that SE needs to improve the staff relic/mythic/emp weapons so they match the melee weapons counterparts in usefulness?

No, we can't. Because they're already useful. Not universally useful to everyone, but useful to the people who are interested in them. It's perfectly fine for some weapons to be desired more than others.

That said, there's always the possibility that the 95/99 trials will add other stats to all the weapons.

Nobody is "crapping all over smn" as you claim they are. What they are doing is being logical and pointing out things that SMN is good at(i.e EA, PD).

They aren't being logical. SMN is not a one trick pony. SMN can be used for a HELL OF A LOT more than just PD or EA (And out of those things, PD is the only thing it has that no one else can do in any form); It's just not the NUMBER ONE BEST for those other things.

[Aurara]

Except SMN excels in AV fights, and Voidwatch, because EA is awesome for DMG reduction, and PD for AV zergs. SMN is great for hateless dmg, SMN was pretty good for Odin, SMN was even good for Khimaria AND Cerberus(questionable here). But the problem is that other jobs do it better than SMN in 98% of situations.

[Razushu]

Did everyone just climb out from under a rock? Pick a forum. Melee SMN first came out with colibri camps.



You do realize that Minikin's refresh is the ONLY reason that useful SMN have unlimited MP, right? We're one good update away from SMN crying about their MP again. I'm looking forward to the good old days again.

You are troll, aren't you? Please be honest here we won't judge. I've been telling you I don't run out MP EVER! seriously. melee SMN gives no MP extra over true SMN playstyle please stop spouting these lies

[Alhanelem]

[QUOTE-"Aurara"]Except SMN excels in something no one cares about or does anymore[/QUOTE]
Fixed that for you.

melee SMN gives no MP extra over true SMN playstyle please stop spouting these lies

1) Yes, it does give more MP, and
2) there is no "true" SMN playstyle. You're welcome to play however you want,

Most of what Dallas says is nonsense, but I'm sorry, SMN cannot recover the amount of MP Myrkr can give through refresh and Siphon alone. These are not "lies." I challenge you to recover 1500 MP in less than 2 minutes without using ethers. You can't do it.

Even if it didn't give more MP (it does), that's not the point. The point is it allows both you and your avatar to fight continously, without running out of MP, which is the whole point of the strategy.

[Darkwizardzin]

is the staff emp useful with smn: yes in some ways it is.... is it useful for the other 2 jobs listed on that weapon: not realy (like smn blm and sch have 1 or 2 ways the staff can help but its much much less useful for those jobs) can any of this usefulness be conpared to the usefulness of a war having a ukko: no way in hell.

Im not saying the staff is useless im just saying (like with ageis) it could use a boost. Is that too much to ask?

[Aurara]

People dont do AV anymore? I certainly do, you're saying people don't do Odin anymore? Well i just did Odin 3 days ago and we had TWO smn! Granted people don't do khim or cerb really, but my statement still stands that SMN were great for those fights.

[Alhanelem]

People dont do AV anymore?

There is no reason to do AV anymore. His drops became basically obsolete soon after they became obtainable.

Does someone do it once in a while for fun? I'm sure. But not outside of that.

Also, I'm pretty sure no other job in the game is wanted solely for its 2-hour. Thanks for the SMN praise, but no one should be proud of their only desirable point being an ability that requires no thought process to use and ignores 99% of everything else their job has.

Im not saying the staff is useless im just saying (like with ageis) it could use a boost. Is that too much to ask?

I'm certainly not going to complain if more stats are added, but I also don't feel it is necessary. I do not want it turned into just another mage staff. It is special because of its differences.

can any of this usefulness be conpared to the usefulness of a war having a ukko: no way in hell.

For the over 9000th time, no one is trying to beat a WAR with his weapon. They are simply trying to improve over what they were capable of before.

Summoner's biggest problem is being locked down by the blood pact timer. Until something is done about that, no stat on any piece of gear can solve it's current problems.

[Aurara]

There is no reason to do AV anymore. His drops became basically obsolete soon after they became obtainable.

Does someone do it once in a while for fun? I'm sure. But not outside of that.

Lol, no. N.sash is still awesome, Mars' ring is still somewhat useful. Minerva's ring, 8% MDT in one slot is amazing. Aureole, best m.acc ranged still. Rod is neat. Bellona's is still good. GKT is worthless. But you can still sell them, so idk about you but i like making money :0