Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Greatguardian]

If a forum title was named after you, then yes, you are talking about half-decade-old BG which was a total craphole compared to modern BG. Pchan was still allowed to post. Just think about that for a moment.

After Old-Advanced was purged, a lot of the crap got cut pretty quick. FFXI: Media is still a center for lulz, but even that's become a lot more tame recently. After Abyssea was released and the intense pseudo-competition over HNMs became yesterday's news, BG became significantly more well adjusted.

[Sparthos]

I don't get why people act like BG is some bastion for jerks in today's XI. Go on Alla and ask a dumb question and people will call you a moron etc etc. The ONLY difference is that the Alla mods are far more relaxed and the site has a naughty word filter. Go to FFXIAH forums? Same deal, jerks mixed in with people willing to answer questions if asked in the proper way.

The old BG may have been hostile as alot of people had some personality issues but overall people have always been helpful outside the grossly inflated egos which isn't really different from the drooling idiots you find on other boards.

You can throw the baby out with the bathwater if you please but on the internet growing thick skin and realizing everyone isn't alike on a forum can go a long way. Most people aren't going to take assertions like melee SMN without evidence. If you provided parse data, examples of consistent success and anything beyond "yeah, well it works for me" then you'd find many people would either try to replicate your success or simply accept it works in certain situations.

(Most people already know melee SMN can work situationally but do not accept that it's useful on anything remotely difficult or somehow makes Claustrum/Hverglmr something worth chasing beyond a personal reward however)

Byrth has posted in this thread and hes made numerous contributions on BG yet he never approaches the level of jerk that people like Thorny or Failure have been in the past.

Really for good data all you have left is BG, Allas JSE forums and FFXIAH. The JP also have some good souces if you can read the moonrunes. Official forums are just a place to whine hard till a community rep puts a crown on the thread.

[Leonlionheart]

Kinda skipped over most of the discussion on whether a mage can melee as well as a melee, but what are people's thoughts on meleeing as supplemental damage in between nukes or whatever, might be a good way to conserve mp if done right, or could be usefull to open for skillchains and later magic burst off of them.

Don't do it. On exp level mobs maybe, because they are easy as beans. But on NMs you're just feeding unnecessary TP making it harder to proc and harder to survive the fight. If people tell you otherwise, don't listen.

[Leonlionheart]

You will appreciate this stupid picture:

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Melee_Summoner

No forum is responsible for churning out more incompetent SMN than BG.

Looks right to me. lolmeleesmnlolsmn

[Alhanelem]

On any other wiki that would be vandalism.

[Greatguardian]

Because BG forums and BG wiki are even remotely close to the same thing.

[Alhanelem]

If a forum title was named after you, then yes, you are talking about half-decade-old BG which was a total craphole compared to modern BG. Pchan was still allowed to post. Just think about that for a moment.

After Old-Advanced was purged, a lot of the crap got cut pretty quick. FFXI: Media is still a center for lulz, but even that's become a lot more tame recently. After Abyssea was released and the intense pseudo-competition over HNMs became yesterday's news, BG became significantly more well adjusted.

I'll accept that things have probably changed over time. That doesn't rid me of my animosity towards them- But I suppose I can give some benefit of the doubt.

So that picture Dallas posted is you? Was that taken at ComiCon or something? I don't know how these things work.

Not as far as I know. Much as I dislike Dallas, he's the last person that I would peg as the one who would have done that.

[Sparthos]

If it makes you feel better, most BGers accept that BGwiki was a failed idea to get back at "other wiki" for selling out to the man.

I know alot of people put in good work on it but it just never really took off after the initial rage about what happened over at ffxiclopedia.

[Raksha]

If it makes you feel better, most BGers accept that BGwiki was a failed idea to get back at "other wiki" for selling out to the man.

I know alot of people put in good work on it but it just never really took off after the initial rage about what happened over at ffxiclopedia.

Byrth is actually busting his balls to make it better, should give another try.

[Sparthos]

Byrth is actually busting his balls to make it better, should give another try.

I know and I respect his attempt to make it better. I appreciated the Dynamis2 info compiled there as it was quite useful.

I once attempted myself to flesh out the Bestiary but yeah.... never finished.