Red is obsolete.

[Raxiaz]

Haste is not Fast Cast. It affects recast timers but it does not affect casting speed.

RDMs excel at hindering their foes. They do very well in this field, and without a RDM a mob can be a pain. To my knowledge, NOTHING beats Refresh II. /SCH Sublimation is only 2MP a tic.

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[idx1]

Fast Cast on Sleep - with a natural cast time of 2.5 seconds.
A red casts it about a second faster.
Big whoop.

Refresh II - nothing gives more MP a tick, but do you see any Blue or SCH needing Refresh II?
Only Mage/NIN type characters need it.

And way to choose less than 10% to discuss against before trolling.
Mad respect.

[idx1]

RDMs excel at hindering their foes. They do very well in this field, and without a RDM a mob can be a pain. To my knowledge, NOTHING beats Refresh II. /SCH Sublimation is only 2MP a tic.

SCH at 90 is 7MP a tick Sublimination - Refresh II is six.
/SCH at 45 is 3/mp a tick - without even the need to use any mp to cast Refresh but receiving the refresh effect.

Refresh II < SCH and /SCH.

Other jobs need a Red more so he needs himself.

And no, I can get Abby whenever I want. But what does a Red get from Abby - Empyrean that will actually allow a Red to have a stronger Refresh effect that a SCH that gets it naturally?
OK.
I'll pay for that.

And no I wasn't sitting in Aht Urghan - there have been an influx of new characters that Abby burned and had Limit Break problems because nobody gave a rat's ass about them vs. Abby burning.

Last days before I quit was helping them get their genkais done.

Whether somebody has Abby or not does not entail one being better than the other.
ohwaitschisomg.

You guys can nitpick at my posts and attempt to trump one minute side of a discussion - but please don't forget the BOLD text posted in the first post.


A Red is nice - but only when you don't have a Blue, Black, White, or any other mage around.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

SCH at 90 is 7MP a tick Sublimination - Refresh II is six.
/SCH at 45 is 3/mp a tick - without even the need to use any mp to cast Refresh but receiving the refresh effect.

Refresh II < SCH and /SCH.

Other jobs need a Red more so he needs himself.

And no, I can get Abby whenever I want. But what does a Red get from Abby - Empyrean that will actually allow a Red to have a stronger Refresh effect that a SCH that gets it naturally?
OK.
I'll pay for that.

And no I wasn't sitting in Aht Urghan - there have been an influx of new characters that Abby burned and had Limit Break problems because nobody gave a rat's ass about them vs. Abby burning.

Last days before I quit was helping them get their genkais done.

Whether somebody has Abby or not does not entail one being better than the other.
ohwaitschisomg.

You guys can nitpick at my posts and attempt to trump one minute side of a discussion - but please don't forget the BOLD text posted in the first post.


A Red is nice - but only when you don't have a Blue, Black, White, or any other mage around.

Oh, dear! You really have no clue.

As both a RDM (90) and SCH (90)

Refresh II is superior to SCH for 3 simple reasons.

1. Instant, don't need to wait for it to charge up to gai the MP back, making sure your HP is fine, or getting annoyed as a SCH if you take the hate and drop below 50% health.
2. Main RDM get's more gear for better Refresh than SCH gets for quick charge Sublimation.
3. Composure which even for others now can be augmented with af3 to last almost double the duration

Yes, Refresh I is kind of rubbish for /rdm but no one subs RDM for Refresh they do so for the benefits including Convert, MDB, MAB, Fast Cast III, Phalanx, Stoneskin and so on for jobs that don't get 'em but get use such as BLM or even BLU.

On top of that outside unlimited abyssea most people would have a main RDM to give the jobs that need it Refresh II which with AF3 pants = 7mp/tic so massively superior to the limited Sublimation

As opposed to Sublimation (to block sleep), some stratagems and Conserve MP

As for your last part:

A Red is nice - but only when you don't have a Blue, Black, White, or any other mage around.

BLU - Great job no doubt about it but you forget a few things like alliance targeting, limited buffs to use on others and so on.
BLM - A BLM will want either a BRD or RDM simple enough the spells are still expensive MP wise even with loads of MP Cost
WHM - Outside abyssea (which your doing) Cure VI is rarely needed same with Cure V (mostly used for -enmity) and again they want a BRD or RDM.

Admittedly a BLM or WHM will always be picked over a RDM, but guess what their is limited times you're restricted to only 3-6 people so in an ideal world most people would take a BRD or RDM so hardly useless.

I'm actually surprised someone who doesn't have Abyssea can't understand that.

In Abyssea where MP is nearly infinite, anyone can solo, and the buffs are crazily over powered I could understand your reasoning of thought.

But outside I have no clue where you've come up with these, even using the point BLU's spells are fast casting to trump the trait... Weird!