sadly GM's appear to have dropped the ball

[Kazen]

Yeah something seems exaggerated Nynja; I think it took me like 8 hours total to get all of my 50 lanterns.

[Alhanelem]

I'm not reading 7 pages to check if this was covered, but it took you SIX hours to claim a heqet and kill a cep-kamuy?!?

He said pop sets plural, but... one pop set certainly couldnt have taken 6 hours, and I find it hard to believe that they failed C.C. multiple times and had it stolen every time.

[SNK]

If it's yellow. It's fair game. End of Story.

[Tamoa]

There's nothing broken about how the claim system works. It's been like this for years, and I see no reason to change it. Avoiding losing claim isn't that hard. If you screw up once, and lose claim - well you know, I'm sure it's happened to all of us. I know it's happened to me. If you continue to screw up then it's on you.

Also, it really is not a violation to wait around and take mobs that other people legitimately screw up on. As long as they were not inducing said screwing-up, they are within their rights.

And yes, this. It isn't grief tactics to stand and watch a group fight a nm thinking they will screw up and the nm will go white.

[Eeek]

this is awesome, this board is truly divided by what looks like the people who steal the mobs and the people who get mobs stolen from them.

Sorry if you say its the player who got their mob stolen fault your as much as an ass as the players who steal the mobs from these players, this game is suppose to be fun but like most said they use loop holes to do what they want and SE will never do anything about them cause they spend more time and money in this game then the average player.

This isn't a single player game. Suck Less.

Oh, and count yourself fortunate that other players can't engage, fight, and loot the same mobs you can or other players can't just straight up kill you before they kill and loot the mob you were fighting.

[Sarick]

Easy way to fix this..

When the mob is unclaimed is defeated the drops that popped it not the one who killed it. If your pop is robbed and douchebags steal it for easy kill then the players group who FIRST popped it gets the loot.

100% fix that doesn't hurt the ability for outside alliance help.

[Khajit]

Easy way to fix this..

When the mob is unclaimed is defeated the drops that popped it not the one who killed it. If your pop is robbed and douchebags steal it for easy kill then the players group who FIRST popped it gets the loot.

100% fix that doesn't hurt the ability for outside alliance help.

Great idea! now people can claim a NM and flux out so that a wandering group grabs the NM without realizing they get nothing for it. Sounds like it cant be abused at all.

[HFX7686]

This is an excellent post that needs to be highlighted again so people will read it again and hopefully learn:

Okay, I really just don't think you understand how the claim system works. It doesn't matter what actions you've taken on the NM.

Only one person ever has claim on anything at any given time. Not a party, not an alliance, one person. That is always the last person to have acted on the mob. Not the person with the most hate, not someone with a DoT (DoTs do NOT keep claim or prevent depop, that is a total myth and has never been true ever), only the person who has most recently swung at, shot at, or casted on the mob.

Thus, when your WAR was the last person to act on the NM and the WAR gets charmed, the NM goes white because the person with claim disengaged. In order to keep claim, the last person to act on the NM before charm needs to be someone who is not getting charmed. Examples:

Here are some orders of events, and the results:
Blm casts Choke on Cirein-Croin
War uses Provoke on Cirein-Croin
MNK hits Cirein-Croin
Cirein-Croin uses Mayhem Lantern
War and Mnk are charmed
Cirein-Croin goes White.

Why did this happen? Because the most recent action on the NM was the Mnk's punch, meaning the Mnk had sole claim over Cirein. When the Mnk became charmed, then, Cirein went White.

Ex2:
Blm casts Choke on Cirein-Croin
War uses Provoke on Cirein-Croin
Mnk hits Cirein-Croin
Cirein-Croin uses Mayhem Lantern
Smart WHM casts Flash on Cirein-Croin
War and Mnk are charmed
Cirein-Croin stays Red.

Because the Whm was the one to take the most recent action against Cirein-Croin, they have sole claim over the NM. Because they had sole claim, and were not charmed, the NM stayed Red.

Is that a bit more clear?

Also, it really is not a violation to wait around and take mobs that other people legitimately screw up on. As long as they were not inducing said screwing-up, they are within their rights.

I know people who have been doing end game for years and have been around mobs that flash red/white/purple and still do not understand that DOTs don't hold claim. I have spent many hours arguing with people about this because they wanted to call GMs because they believed people were hacking somehow to get claim on a mob that was DOT'd.

[Sama]

This is an excellent post that needs to be highlighted again so people will read it again and hopefully learn:



I know people who have been doing end game for years and have been around mobs that flash red/white/purple and still do not understand that DOTs don't hold claim. I have spent many hours arguing with people about this because they wanted to call GMs because they believed people were hacking somehow to get claim on a mob that was DOT'd.

Confirming DOT don't hold claim.

[CrystalWeapon]

He said pop sets plural, but... one pop set certainly couldnt have taken 6 hours, and I find it hard to believe that they failed C.C. multiple times and had it stolen every time.

I've stayed out of the arguement b/c really it's hard to piss me off so I'm eh about the whole issue. Just coming in to clarify some info. It was multiple popsets that were farmed, and it was our last one for the night that got stolen. The arguement is more or less thia venting anger about a nin who was waiting for charms to gank other peoples C.C. pops.

He successfully stole one of ours, two from a duo, one from yet another pt, and almost stole one from some japanese group. Generally when we do this I am the blm and I gravity / kite C.C. when charm hits and it doesn't go yellow. Sadly I was thf this particular run, and dispite a war provoking and not dying it still went yellow. I'm thinking someone else in our group did an action afterwards which went unseen and then died. When it was stolen we still had 6/8 people alive and well, there was no chance we would have died if the mob was left alone. The guy was just being a dick to be a dick that night.

As far as harrassment he was a bit of an ass afterwards, but I would be lying if I said it didn't give me a laugh. "We're 27/50 now, you guys have any more popsets?" and a seacom of "AFK, banned." Nothing bad enough to get a warning for, just enough to get a rise out of the people he was stealing from.

On the advice "Suck less," you can only control your own actions. You can try to direct people but whether or not they listen is up to them. It was an odd circumstance in this case b/c the war was waiting above and he voked the second the mob charmed, but like I said earlier 1 of the 2 people that died must have taken an action I didn't see and died afterwards.