Empyrean weapons are now standard equipment.

[scaevola]

Which woe are you guys are to solo? Explain please.

Basically just killed trash mobs in 1, 2, and 3, and avoid the bosses; even if you were capable of soloing them it'd take a half an hour so it's not really worth it. I imagine most non-kiting soloers could handle WoE with varying degrees of difficulty though obviously some (NIN/DNC, DNC/NIN, BST, DRG/BLU, PLD or BLU using Sanguine Blade exclusively, etc.) are going to do a lot better than others.

[Neisan_Quetz]

And I'm guessing you took people to Grellow Proc it, correct? I said alone, go get Iga seals off that *** without proc'ing it, then let me know how "not bad" the drop rate is. I killed it 10 times and got not one seal from it.

PS: Funny how SE states all over the damn place that "Proc's are loaded the moment the mob is claimed and are based on the spells and weapon skills in the current party"... ***!

Uh, that's for Neo-Dynamis, definitely not Abyssea... And that's your own fault for not procing because the drop rate is terrible for any seal without procs.

[MarkovChain]

And this is why AF3+2/weapon is standard gear. It is standard gear for people that play the MMO called FFXI. Get friends and it will make your FFXI easier. Just brew it ™ after that obviously. Granted if you go with the idea not to proc a single AF3 mob nor use treasure hunter and/or red procs on any of the pop NMs or the NM itself, you are facing a wall. It's your choice to do it solo, so don't complain. Just need one friend lol and if you have 6 people to carry your KI you can brew the level85/90 NMs 6 by 6 which makes is a matter of a few hours (both KI farming + killing) just for the last form for instance.

[Seriha]

In a perfect world with no competition and friends at the ready the moment they log on, I could possibly see someone who plays 2-3 hours a day getting 6-12 upgrade items, but part of that will also hinge on the weapon path. People will go through Carabosse much more quickly than Glavoid, for example. I can't bring myself to say someone who plays 14-21 hours a week is casual, though. 2-3 hours every 2-3 days? Sure. Other guy? He's basically part-time jobbing the game. Now, this goes out the window if you get people farming the pops while they're not around, but I can't even begin to think that's common, especially before +2 items were added to various NMs.

In the FFXI I play, people never show up on time, have their own RL obligations/distractions, and generally want their own things, too. So, Mr. 2-3 hours is probably gonna be 1-2 by the time everyone gets their act together and organized. Then you run into the lines at the popped mobs or get unlucky with cleaves, both in KIs offered or available zone chests with others cleaving. 3-6 upgrade items a day is looking far more likely here. Now imagine that every 3 days.

WoE might be nice if you can score some slime runs, but you're still a slave to the random number generator and trying to solo up the coins could take a long time (WoE itself still needs work). To expect people to do nothing but this or fudge around in Abyssea every day they can play for a singular purpose is, well, silly. They'll possibly want to EXP another job, help a friend/shellmate with something, or just hop on to chat after a particularly tiring day. These types are the ones making up a greater chunk of the player base, and probably are the full perle/teal/aurore folks everyone loves to whine about, but their continued presence and lack of what some believe to be standard gear lends itself to the possibility that something isn't standard at all. For these people, taking 3+ months is far more likely, and in MMO time, that's pretty huge when you start climbing down the hierarchy of time invested in-game.

[Ravenmore]

Only time I whine about pearl is when people mix and match it with other gear and losing the set bouns. Thats taking into account that fumes and dusk gloves are 10 to 20 k and harby +1 is around 100 to 200k. Its not even new people that do that what I see most is turban and kitty pants. As long as they make gear choices that are not WTF and make since I don't care what they use.

[Ravenmore]

Some thing else I fogot to mention was the weapons them selfs are not what make emps. all that special. If you could get the WSs with out making them or the WoEs verson like mystics WS lot less people would bother making them.

[rog]

Only time I whine about pearl is when people mix and match it with other gear and losing the set bouns. Thats taking into account that fumes and dusk gloves are 10 to 20 k and harby +1 is around 100 to 200k. Its not even new people that do that what I see most is turban and kitty pants. As long as they make gear choices that are not WTF and make since I don't care what they use.

I love when people 4/5 perle.

[Neisan_Quetz]

No less than half the Bsts without Emp gear I run into are 4/5 perle and Aurore gloves/legs I swear and I know it's a Bst because they're on both sets...

[Raksha]

PS: Funny how SE states all over the damn place that "Proc's are loaded the moment the mob is claimed and are based on the spells and weapon skills in the current party"... ***!

I must've missed it, where did you read this?

[Greatguardian]

SE never stated it. The players determined it, through testing, to be true for Dynamis triggers. Little bit of knowledge, more dangerous than none at all, etc