Raise the Minimum Requirement for entering Abyssea to Lv70 or 75

[DrStrangelove]

cheat   
[cheet] Show IPA
–verb (used with object)
1.to defraud; swindle: He cheated her out of her inheritance.
2.to deceive; influence by fraud: He cheated us into believing him a hero.
3.to elude; deprive of something expected: He cheated the law by suicide.

I merely applied the definitions and the concepts to explain why leeching is cheating, and they're a perfect fit, if I may say. The real problem is that SE's rules for what cheating is and is not don't address what cheating really is in this context. You want to be closer to what cheating actually means, not what SE thinks it is, as they may not necessarally be close.

You are completely in error.

1. Fraud (or to defraud) is a process which requires a person to actively lie. It's not fraud when a person makes unwarranted assumptions or takes no reasonable actions that could have been made. You already know that people leech, so you would be clearly in error to assume that someone that is level 90 could only have reached that level though traditional parties. This is equally true of everyone. Unless the person SAYS I leveled my job to 90 in parties the old way and a person acts on that information, there is no fraud. Simply assuming they did because they are 90 is your fault not theirs. You can't commit fraud if people make an assumption about something where common knowledge indicate that they could easily be wrong. (E.g., you see someone in an office building wearing a suit and you assume they work there. That's nor fraud. That's you making an unwarranted assumption.)

2. Deception requires you to BOTH hide something that would otherwise be known and to do so with the intent of avoiding an unwelcome outcome. But what has a person hidden? How they got to 90 of course! But who cares? Most if not ALL party will never ask how you got to 90. They are concerned with how well you perform now not how you leveled. You can't be deceptive if no one cares about what the truth is and especially so if you don't think they care. (E.g., on Saturday you watch a movie then lay down on the sofa for a nap while your spouse is out. You don't mention you watched a movie when your spouse returns and he/she doesn't ask. That's not deception.)

3. To deprive of something expected is again in error. You assume that party leaders expect the person to have leveled their jobs the old way. I have been in hundreds of parties over the last 7 years. No one ever asked me how I leveled. Abyssea leeching is not new. Before this there were smn burns, paid PL parties and bought accounts. No one asks because no one cares. They invite you to produce. (E.g., you offer to take a friend to the store but your gas tank is 1/4 full but still plenty for the round trip. Your friend might assume you have more gas, but you haven't deprived him of anything because his assumption is both irrelevant and false. Moreover he shouldn't care and typically won't since rarely if ever do people ask.)

You're just way off base here. Cheating can't occur when 1) SE has specifically designed the game to work the way it does 2) the player base is completely aware of how this is designed, and 3) people in parties generally don't care.

Leeching is a method of gaining XP that you don't like. We get it. In the old days, there were far fewer teleports. Now there are more. In the old days there were far fewer camps. Now there are more. You get twice the XP for kills, plus XP rings, plus stronger signets, plus faster mob re-pops, more merits, etc. It's much easier to level now than it was before. People who level now using xp rings, double xp, signets, merits, ports, etc aren't cheating because others of us leveled jobs the old way when it was easier. They're not cheating if some people refuse to use those things. They aren't cheating if they fail to tell people how they leveled.

And if people look at someone's jobs, they might think they are all years old or brand new. They might think they were burned or leeched or the account was bought. But they don't ask because they don't care: they just want to add you to produce.

[Romanova]

I would be deeply worried about this if but only you knew and understood what those words meant. You've been a troll from the get-go. Just not worth it anymore.

so basically, you can't refute my posts. Gotcha. Only troll post I made was about you not being a doctor. Everything else I said I believe 100%. Including you being an elitist who insist everyone has to do things your way just so you can be proud of yourself.

[Akujima]

This is a never ending debate. And debates that continue to go on forever, show perfectly well that there is an imbalance somewhere that needs to be corrected. There are quite a number of people out there, that feel the same way as Myself and Panthera. The only difference is that they don't have the patience to come in here and continually voice their opinion on the matter. And I don't blame them either, but something has to be said from our side of the fence. Even if you think that our numbers are so insignificant that it's best we're just ignored, that is never the solution. But...

The minority will always be shunned upon it seems, even if the reasons they give are just and their topics have merit. And don't forget that FFXI is a minority when it comes to the MMO' genre. The failure of FFXIV only proves that SE is not taking the correct approach to appeal to the MMO' player base. Just because you claim that the majority of the FFXI player base is okay with Leeching 60 Lv's, in no way can that be true for the majority of the MMO' player base, who have turned their back towards XI.

I know many who've quit and expressed their distaste with the direction FFXI has taken. I've almost quit myself, but decided to just tolerate the fact, that some people will want excuses to be lazy. I'm here trying to ask SE not to keep making the same mistakes over again. Although it's highly unlikely that they will raise the LvCap, because the damage is already done, and taking it back will only cause a giant uproar amongst those who still haven't leeched all their jobs.

SE doesn't intend for their player base to be dishonest, I'm sure. The culture that the developers come from, is very different than most of the world. They're still taking their time in figuring out how to balance online games, so that it appeals to everyone on a global scale. RMT would have never survived if XI wasn't released in North America. Fish-botting would never have been an issue if there was no RMT. And my guess is, SE allowed for Lv30 cap on Abyssea, so that people can start collecting their stones, while Lvling up the old fashioned way.

I do not disagree that Lvling back at NA release was a tad slow, so the adjustments outside of Abyssea are welcome by me. But the ridiculous amounts of EXP that is provided inside Abyssea for a Lv30 Job, is absurdly out of balance... So...

@SE: If your idea was to allow speedy Lvling just so that players can experience your new expansion quicker, it's poor game design. If that was not your intention, then you need to implement ways to prevent the player base from taking advantage of certain game mechanics.

I just hope that you are listening to both sides of the story, and getting a better idea of how to take everything into consideration when creating a balanced game.

[Ravenmore]

I know many that quit for takiing to long to find or form parties then when you finally get to camp kill for 30 mins and people start leaving. FF14 failed due to not having basic things like AHs, forced limits on exping, lack of auto attack, really poor UI, not listening to bug reports or anything from the beta. If WoW had done the same thing they would lose thier ass too. When a new game turns out worse then the one its trying to replace as the flag ship something went wrong.

[Chocobits]

I leave this thread alone for a few pages and this is what it turns into?

Akujima and Panthera don't want SE to take actions against leechers, if nobody ever caught on. One posts an unpopular idea knowing it's unpopular, the other bandwagons it. They take turns hi-fiving every thing each other says and disregarding all other points made in the thread except a select few which turn into personal 1 on 1 mini wars versus a legit discussion that everyone can possibly learn and benefit from.

The whole thing reeks of trollery, and that's coming from a troll. They keep responding with "wah cheaters" "it takes no skill to leech, therefor all leechers must have no skill" and other perverse logic/butthurt.

If you stop responding, they'll become petulant and just write each other back and forth on how great they are.

[Leonlionheart]

If SE makes me go back outside abyssea just to get level 70 I don't think I'll ever level another job.

Not that it matters since I can do everything on the jobs I have at cap already.

[Tamoa]

there is an imbalance somewhere that needs to be corrected

That's your opinion.

There are quite a number of people out there, that feel the same way as Myself and Panthera. The only difference is that they don't have the patience to come in here and continually voice their opinion on the matter.

They don't even need to voice their opinion, they all could just hit the "like" button on yours and Panthera's posts to show their support.

[Chocobits]

That's your opinion.




They don't even need to voice their opinion, they all could just hit the "like" button on yours and Panthera's posts to show their support.

They did. All 12 of them.

[BorkBorkBork]

Dear Bork here's a hi-five at you my friend.

Sincerely
Bork

[Chocobits]

Anyone ever visit the official youtube page of a J.B. or Rebecca Black video?

No? Well, as with this thread, you didn't miss much.

The point is, some ideas are so unpopular that people converge on them from around the globe to offer protest and ridicule.

The only difference between this and that: I don't see J.B. or Rebecca Black giving page long retorts to each commenter. Is it because they're too busy honing their skill? No. They just spend more waking hours trying to decide how to blow their money than the rest of us.

We'd all have more time to hone our skill if Akujima had his way. Just imagine him in glowing red armor leading drills in Valkurm dunes and sending people to Mordion Gaul if they bring a powerlevel with them.