Raise the Minimum Requirement for entering Abyssea to Lv70 or 75

[TybudX]

PLD has many ways to accumulate hate and control a mob, especially in longer fights. It isn't a good tank because killing faster is always better than the alternative with the way the game is currently designed, not because PLD is bad at not taking damage and holding a mob's attention.

[Akujima]

PLD has many ways to accumulate hate and control a mob, especially in longer fights. It isn't a good tank because killing faster is always better than the alternative with the way the game is currently designed, not because PLD is bad at not taking damage and holding a mob's attention.

You are reinstating the obvious game mechanics that make PLD a useless job, in an attempt to derail away from the fact that the point is still moot. Your original point was on the topic of misleading and deception, so why don't you stop going off topic and practice what you preach.

[TybudX]

You have no real concept of why PLD isn't a good tank. Your point is that PLD as a job is 'broken'. Broken =/= bad at tanking. Broken = not as good as any other option except maybe three mobs in the game, which is either not important or bad depending on your opinion of the PLD job. It has nothing whatsoever to do with PLD solo tanking or even co-tanking mobs, which it is perfectly capable of doing.

[Akujima]

You have no real concept of why PLD isn't a good tank. Your point is that PLD as a job is 'broken'. Broken =/= bad at tanking. Broken = not as good as any other option except maybe three mobs in the game, which is either not important or bad depending on your opinion of the PLD job. It has nothing whatsoever to do with PLD solo tanking or even co-tanking mobs, which it is perfectly capable of doing.

Who are you arguing with?
When are you going to get back onto the topic of misleading and deception? How does that post have anything to do with misleading and deception?

[TybudX]

Go back and read it again, then ask yourself why PLD being 'broken' as a tank had anything to do with what I said. How is what you have started talking about on topic or relevant?

[Zyeriis]

You have no real concept of why PLD isn't a good tank. Your point is that PLD as a job is 'broken'. Broken =/= bad at tanking. Broken = not as good as any other option except maybe three mobs in the game, which is either not important or bad depending on your opinion of the PLD job. It has nothing whatsoever to do with PLD solo tanking or even co-tanking mobs, which it is perfectly capable of doing.

Which it isn't? (Don't bring up Ochain as that is an item, not a job).

[Akujima]

Go back and read it again, then ask yourself why PLD being 'broken' as a tank had anything to do with what I said. How is what you have started talking about on topic or relevant?

I'll say it again. He was misleading and cheating himself into believing what he could do. You don't disagree with how he was unable to hold true to his claims, but you assumed that he was cheating other people by misleading THEM. The fact is he tried his hardest and there are even people who are against this thread, that will agree with me about how PLD is a useless "broken" job that needs to be fixed.

Whatever the reasons are for PLD being "broken" don't have anything to do with the point you were trying to make about misleading and deceiving. Sure PLD can "Tank" well, but "Tanking" in FFXI is so obscure now, that there is basically no need for it to be defined in current endgame content. Whether this is true or not now for VoidWatch scenario's is going wayyy off topic.

Misleading others intentionally because they don't know any better is one thing, but not being able to accept the facts about reality is cheating yourself. But maybe he doesn't know about PLD's current state, and your posts #262 and #264 would be more suitable if they were directed towards him, instead of trying to slyly derail me.

Back to the topic at hand.

All I've seen in this thread is new point, after new point, after new point that has just been shut-down by people with established, defined reasons about why raising the LvCap is a good idea. Even going so far as to call us out as "Fanatical Moralists" implying that we're somehow imposing unbearable punishment to people.

I question whether these people are having fun with their newly leeched Lv90 jobs, and not complaining elsewhere about how long it takes to get things done, and how annoying it is for such and such to take such and such amount of time. It almost seems like they're measuring "time factor" with "fun factor", saying that the least amount of time spent doing something will also be the most satisfying.

So then the correct assumption would be to say that the sooner we can Lv all 20 jobs to Lv99, the sooner we can all have maxed out gear/equipment and the sooner we've depleted FFXI of all its resources and content, then and ONLY then, will we be happy... Right?

Sounds like life in the fast lane to me, though. Live hard, die young?


Some of us are on here trying to make the game last longer. Leeching only seeks to shorten the lifespan of FFXI and deprive it of any integrity it once had.

[TybudX]

@Zyeriis
Idontevenwtf. Between you and akujimi I'm not sure who is better at having a complete lack of reading comprehension. At least Panthera isn't an idiot. He/she is basing their argument on invalid theories, but they are making a valid point. The both of you do nothing but hurt your own position on everything you post about, every time you post about it.

edit - @akujimi
I'll say this again. PLD isn't broken because it isn't a good tank. It's broken because the abilities it has that let it survive don't matter, while dealing more damage does. Somebody saying they are a good PLD, setting up parties to support a PLD tank, fighting NMs and HNMs as a PLD tank, is not broken. You have zero concept as to what you are talking about, so I will explain it to you in simple terms. PLD is a perfectly capable tank in almost every situation in the game. It's survivability is outweighed by other job's damage dealing capacities. The job isn't 'broken' because it is bad at what it is designed to do, it's bad because almost every other job can survive within the confines of what the game design requires.

Also, I am trying to finish the game as fast as I can. The sooner I max out key jobs on my three characters, the sooner I can start maxing out all the other jobs. I can assure you this isn't a fast process, even with Abyssea style experience gains. What's your point again?

-pps
I was never trying to 'slyly derail' you. You're the one who can't understand what I am saying, took what I said out of context, and has no understanding of why my example is valid to the argument you made. And by the way, I never responded to you before this. Your own argument for 'your side' of the argument is so bad as to be laughable at best.

[Akujima]

@Zyeriis
Idontevenwtf. Between you and akujimi I'm not sure who is better at having a complete lack of reading comprehension. At least Panthera isn't an idiot. He/she is basing their argument on invalid theories, but they are making a valid point. The both of you do nothing but hurt your own position on everything you post about, every time you post about it.

Please explain further how we do this. Elaborate with more details please. Give us examples of what you mean by that. If you could do that, it would be appreciated. Because that last sentence is a little on the vague side.

[Ravenmore]

Its all for not now any way. Seeing how you can now leech outside of abyssea starting at level one. SE had to have known that would be one of the first thing people tried yet they did nothing.