Seriously: they have already said they don't comment on threads directly asking for their attention. So if you want it, just post normally instead of trying to be an attention-something. It isn't going to work.
That is all.
[To PLAYERS] Stop tagging posts with [To the DEVs]
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06-10-2011, 08:09 AMAlhanelem[To PLAYERS] Stop tagging posts with [To the DEVs]
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06-10-2011, 08:15 AMYarly
good job!!
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06-10-2011, 09:03 AMKorpgHere Here!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Can't tell if you are sarcastic or not in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yarly
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06-10-2011, 09:16 AMBumbeen
Just from casual observation it looks like they answer posts that directly ask them questions. I made a thread for that reason and had success getting a response from camate.
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06-10-2011, 02:53 PMGreatguardian
While it's true that it's only the GM/Moderation staff that is directly prohibited from answering direct questions (see: Square Enix Privacy Policy), it is also nothing short of obnoxious in general to be tagging things [DEV 100X] or [TO THE DEVS]. It drives me crazy, since it pretty much screams to me "Hey, my idea/question/concern is not important/valid enough on its own merit to garner any actual attention so I'm going to put a huge neon sign on it to make up for it"
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06-10-2011, 03:34 PMMalamasala
I guess I need to make a spirit thread that doesn't include a question then.
Am I allowed to insult them for feedback though? I'm thinking that if I call them WAR-nazis or something they might respond more to mage threads instead of just ignoring them all. -
06-11-2011, 01:16 AMKhajit
Why are we supposed to care? It's not like it's a bunch of racist comments or whatever else is ACTUALLY irritating being used. You guys have some thin skins.
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06-11-2011, 01:19 AMAlhanelem
Who said anything about asking questions? You're just supposed to not specifically address the dev team. I don't want a good topic to be skipped over just because they're seeing a thread as being an attention-something.
You can make a thread: "Why does _____ suck?" without sticking [TO THE DEVS] in front of it. Asking for their attention does not give you their attention. You should be posting as if they aren't there. -
06-11-2011, 01:59 AMhordecore
yes everyone stop copying me i started it [TO THE DEVS]
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06-11-2011, 02:12 AMKhajit
The entire complaint about [to the devs] is being undermines by the fact that [to the players] has at least 2~3 times the about of views as other recently made threads.
You're already proving that people are more likely to click it if you address it to them just by allowing the thread to exist. Considering the fact that the mods don't even READ most of the posts they're supposedly "fixing" it actually achieving it's intended purpose is a good thing for the thread makers.
tldr. you're complaining about something that probably works because you aren't doing it too. -
06-11-2011, 02:24 AMAlhanelemFor us, this is probably true. But the community team has specifically said they cannont respond to threads asking for their response.Quote:
You're already proving that people are more likely to click it if you address it to them just by allowing the thread to exist.
So trying to get their attention by tagging threads with anything other than the tags they tell us to use has no purpose. -
06-11-2011, 02:40 AMColdbrand
Hey look, wanna'be moderator strikes again. People can continue to post how they wish until a GM says otherwise, how about that.
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06-11-2011, 02:43 AMKorpgThis thread was created in direction of your threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by hordecore
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06-11-2011, 03:33 AMAlhanelemI'm not a "wannabe moderator." I simply don't want threads with good ideas to get glossed over because people begged for dev attention in the topic title. I'm sure you, like anyone else, would want to hear what SE thinks about your ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldbrand
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06-11-2011, 03:39 AMDfoley
Not to mention, putting [DEV 100x] IN THE TAG is what you are supposed to do, putting it in the title is just obnoxious.
1) Make a good thread
2) title it with something breif that makes sense and covers your point
3) insert a [dev 100x] tag to the bottom in the tag section IF there is something remotely related to your post
4) pray for a 'thumbs down' button to stop obvious trolls. -
06-11-2011, 04:05 AMSoundwave
Alhanelem made this post to get his "likes" up.
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06-11-2011, 04:22 AMMalamasala
Tagging sounds like a great idea. I wonder why I got the impression the sticky said that it was good to have it in the title, while missing the part about putting it in the tags.
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06-11-2011, 04:35 AMGreatguardian
It's good to use a Dev tag if there is a Dev tag that actually relates to the topic at hand. Corsair adjustments, HNM/KS99 adjustments, and Dynamis adjustments tags were generally used properly.
It's not good to waste people's time using a Dev tag related to Dynamis or Abyssea HNM to complain about Dark Knight, Summoner, Spirits, or EXP leeching.
Personally, I think this thread has views not because of its title tag, but because the content has merit to a lot of people. That's what's important in a thread, the content. You should never need a big flashing neon sign to advertise a legitimate concern that many people share, because if it is a legitimate concern that many people share it's going to be receiving views and replies anyways.
All those neon signs do is make it harder for the Community Team to, essentially, do their jobs. -
06-11-2011, 05:00 AMMalamasala
The problem is of course when 10 years has passed and SE hasn't even touched the topic. Spirits for example will never get a devtag of their own because SE has forgotten they exist. First you have to spam their forum long enough for them to notice it.
Same with Summoner armors... 10 years of adding 3 armor sets. You'll just have to grab whatever devtags are around and spam them. Because SE are too dumb to see what is a problem, and what is just people complaining they aren't the most popular job in the game. -
06-11-2011, 05:44 AMGreatguardian
Spamming is never, ever a viable and effective means of getting a legitimate point across.
In a game which thrives on specialization, Summoner and other Pet Hybrid jobs will always be second class in group settings. They're unique, fun jobs that absolutely cannot and will not ever be able to match individual aspects with a pure class. Summoner will never outdamage a Warrior, outheal a White Mage, or outbuff a Bard. But it can Damage, Heal, and Buff if it wants.
That is the premise of the job. The players may never desire it simply because that premise conflicts with what players actually want in a job. That is, specialization in a single role which they can perform optimally. I don't need someone who can B-class DD, while B-class healing, or B-class buffing. I need someone who can fill a designated role in my party. If that is Damage, I want a Damage class. If that is healing, I want a healing class. If that is buffing, I want a buffing class.
Summoner will never be "Super dooper popular" simply because hybrid jobs are NOT popular in group settings. Deal with that fact and move on quickly, or you will simply end up embittered and angry at the Devs till the servers shut down. One thing people love to leave out is the fact that Hybrid jobs, while significantly less useful in group situations, are extremely potent solo. Summoner, Beastmaster, Puppetmaster, and Red mage are all very, very adept soloists. So what if two hyper-specialized people can kill a lot of the same things? That is still a group setting, and that is the entire point.
Summoner aside, spamming forums and using neon signs to try and highlight a point still just shows that the point itself is weak and not worth looking at on merit alone. That is never the impression you want to give someone, whether your point is actually weak or not. -
06-11-2011, 08:11 AMSoundwaveIf more people don't voice themselves then we will never see updates...so ya I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Malamasala
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06-11-2011, 09:36 AMAlhanelemIt doesn't need a dev tag of its own. It goes under job adjustments.Quote:
The problem is of course when 10 years has passed and SE hasn't even touched the topic. Spirits for example will never get a devtag of their own because SE has forgotten they exist. First you have to spam their forum long enough for them to notice it.
No one said that people shouldn't voice themselves... the only thing that's being said here is not to voice yourselves with "[To the Devs]" in your topic title.Quote:
If more people don't voice themselves then we will never see updates...so ya I agree
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06-11-2011, 09:44 AMBumbeen
There was no forum to voice your ideas about things for years and patches didn't stop. All we had was that suggestion box thingy.
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06-11-2011, 11:22 AMJackDaniels
Lol, somebody takes their forums too seriously!
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06-11-2011, 01:05 PMSoundwaveunfortunate that is true...I gotta watch how I word things around you or I'll just feed you more likes and post counts. One wrong move and your words will be tossed right back into your face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Was thinking the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
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06-11-2011, 01:19 PMDaremo
Personally, I appreciate the [Dev 10XX] tags in the title, if they're related to an actual dev topic. Since I'm usually not looking for any specific information when I come here, being able to see the topic's relation to an update note at a glance is a handy thing.
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06-11-2011, 04:10 PMYarlyHave you been living under a rock? Yes, you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumbeen
There have been forums for ffxi forever...
the ZAM network (or allakhazam), ffxiah, bluegartr, killingifrit, etc.
SE has had people like Matt Hilton browsing an reading those forums and sending feedback to the devs for YEARS before this one was made. Suggestions and whatnot from those forums are JUST as important/unimportant to them as the suggestions from here.