Make Quietus a critical hit WS!

Would Help Drk out alot to try to keep up with other DD's its an easy Fix For SE

We don't need critical hit. We need fixed modifiers.

pffft I want critical hits to stack with our new job trait!

A critical hit WS would help out alot for the time being. And we do need fixed modifiers as well

i kinda like what jar suggested somewhere about cratio bonus,it or proper mods on ws be nice but at the same time i enjoy that torcleaver nees to be geared in a certain differant manner then other ws's to make it shine, i enjoy what difficulty there remains in ff i guess <_< kinda sad its due to poor design an not mob/missions being challenging


edited in: forget to say w00t torcleaver <mine> lol sexytime!

But for Quietus My WS gear is maxed out And I still can't put up Big Numbers like other DD's

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Originally Posted by vedder

i kinda like what jar suggested somewhere about cratio bonus,it or proper mods on ws be nice but at the same time i enjoy that torcleaver nees to be geared in a certain differant manner then other ws's to make it shine, i enjoy what difficulty there remains in ff i guess <_< kinda sad its due to poor design an not mob/missions being challenging



edited in: forget to say w00t torcleaver <mine> lol sexytime!

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lol i didnt think anyone liked that idea because no one replied

i just thought o fit when doing pup because pup gets alot of attachments that enhance you only on mobs tough+

i just want drk to go in a diff direction than critical hits and cratio would be a way to bring us back

and i want critical hits, to further fuel jar's undying rage!

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Originally Posted by Dart

and i want critical hits, to further fuel jar's undying rage!

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but but butbut the cratio QQ

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Originally Posted by GoBs

Make Quietus a critical hit WS!

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"Dear SE, please make Redemption better than Caladbolg because I don't like great swords"

thats basicalliy what im gettn from op too atomic, and whats funny is i chose cala over redemption based on looks, and was super happy when it ended up being easier to get and better XD

i currently use rr/apoc/a&o an tor is avg around 1800-2600 with spikes up to 5k

on /thf i did 8k to either orthus or amarok dont recall, was apoc/rr/gc on that one

working on /mnk next its 25atm and thenill see about rl/rr/gh (thats the suggested atma setup if i recall plz correct me)

ive got /sch but havnt tried it out just yet but figured id wanna give it a go

when im not 2boxn my whm i use mc/vissic/apoc an was actually surprised how effective it was

honestly jar i liked your idea. Anything to boost our ws phase and i'd be happy. I just love crit based ws personally D:

also I'd seriously recommend atma of the scorpion queen. 6 hit completely blows any minor boost in ws that another atma gives. Add in the 10% crit rate to further push our melee dmg higher is pretty crazy.

With SQ/RR/AoA i'm averaging 1500-2500 (there are spikes but these numbers are very consistent)

and its a 6 hit with capped haste and I'm making use of all the attack+ that drk can equip.

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Originally Posted by Dart

honestly jar i liked your idea. Anything to boost our ws phase and i'd be happy. I just love crit based ws personally D:

also I'd seriously recommend atma of the scorpion queen. 6 hit completely blows any minor boost in ws that another atma gives. Add in the 10% crit rate to further push our melee dmg higher is pretty crazy.

With SQ/RR/AoA i'm averaging 1500-2500 (there are spikes but these numbers are very consistent)

and its a 6 hit with capped haste and I'm making use of all the attack+ that drk can equip.

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Cratio would help melee too! :x

idk for /sam dding i like rr/apoc/a&o my mind is totally set on that, especially helps AM dotimg hiiting a triple for1200 ea hit but ill test sq out abit see if i like the feel of it

any idea whats the best brewed ws drk can use vs isgebind? whm(my mule)?
plan on brewing through em once i figure it out and have enough ppl holding KI for me

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Originally Posted by vedder

idk for /sam dding i like rr/apoc/a&o my mind is totally set on that, especially helps AM dotimg hiiting a triple for1200 ea hit but ill test sq out abit see if i like the feel of it

any idea whats the best brewed ws drk can use vs isgebind? whm(my mule)?
plan on brewing through em once i figure it out and have enough ppl holding KI for me

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Torcleaver....

You know, I have to wonder if people even know how to gear for Quietus. I mean, 40% each on STR & MND means you don't gear for Quietus like you do for, say, Guillotine. Hasn't anyone tried using both STR and MND in their WS set for this?

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Originally Posted by Cruentus

You know, I have to wonder if people even know how to gear for Quietus. I mean, 40% each on STR & MND means you don't gear for Quietus like you do for, say, Guillotine. Hasn't anyone tried using both STR and MND in their WS set for this?

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It doesn't matter because STR and MND both have the exact same effect on the WS secondary modifier, only STR also helps your fSTR and Attack and MND does not. Therefore in equal amounts STR is always better than MND.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

It doesn't matter because STR and MND both have the exact same effect on the WS secondary modifier, only STR also helps your fSTR and Attack and MND does not. Therefore in equal amounts STR is always better than MND.

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Sounds to me like someone hasn't actually attempted it.

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Originally Posted by Cruentus

You know, I have to wonder if people even know how to gear for Quietus. I mean, 40% each on STR & MND means you don't gear for Quietus like you do for, say, Guillotine. Hasn't anyone tried using both STR and MND in their WS set for this?

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I'd love to know how needing mnd attack and STR is different than needing mnd attack and STR

at 100% TP this is only 10% def ignore meaning that you still need some attack.. ( say.. 765ish on avrg) sure you can stack a bit more STr but most gear DRK gets has both attack and STR/(lolmnd)

the FTP of 3 is what makes the weaponskill crap.

guil is 0.875 hitting 4 times meaning its base damage before WSC is higher and even than the WSC on guil is 25%*2

the 40%*2 WSC doesnt really help too its the only empy that i know that doesnt get a flat 60% WSC

the 15% extra str mnd WSC hardly makes it better than guil if its even better at all and with DRK being able to cap attack so easy only Cratio really put a smack on WS damage (that and no Crit to get a mindless +30~100% damage too -_-)



On another note Q gets bad skilchain properties for an empy being able to ONLY do darkness while torcleaver can do light and drkness

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Originally Posted by Cruentus

Sounds to me like someone hasn't actually attempted it.

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Mathematics does not lie. I already know that STR is better than MND for Quietus so why would I need to test it when I already know what the answer is?

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Mathematics does not lie. I already know that STR is better than MND for Quietus so why would I need to test it when I already know what the answer is?

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atleast he gave you a real response he just brushes my math off like he is still in the middle ages..

you take that back, they had math in the middle ages!

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you take that back, they had math in the middle ages!

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lol yeah i know just didnt know what else it would compare to.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Mathematics does not lie. I already know that STR is better than MND for Quietus so why would I need to test it when I already know what the answer is?

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Because people make mistakes. Maybe you did the math incorrectly, for example. You're human, so there's no denying that possibility. It would be better to test it for yourself and compare the results, first with STR alone, and second with both STR and MND. And since we're dark knights, don't forget the Absorb spells.

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Because people make mistakes. Maybe you did the math incorrectly, for example. You're human, so there's no denying that possibility. It would be better to test it for yourself and compare the results, first with STR alone, and second with both STR and MND. And since we're dark knights, don't forget the Absorb spells.

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What you said for the testing is what people have done........................ we didnt just guess them

ohh also if we are so wrong and you so right why dont you test it over asking us too.....

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What you said for the testing is what people have done........................ we didnt just guess them

ohh also if we are so wrong and you so right why dont you test it over asking us too.....

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Because I don't have my Redemption yet, obviously. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]

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Because I don't have my Redemption yet, obviously. Use your brain, please... Or rather, what's left of it.

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than get it and find out you have no right to tell us we where wrong with testing if you dont even HAVE the weaponskill.

call me a lamb/sheep/ whatever but if 100 ppl say its a duck, it sure as heck aint a goose, but ya know what it might be? a duck.

i have to say it

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, is this shit really still going on?

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Originally Posted by Cruentus

Because people make mistakes. Maybe you did the math incorrectly, for example. You're human, so there's no denying that possibility. It would be better to test it for yourself and compare the results, first with STR alone, and second with both STR and MND. And since we're dark knights, don't forget the Absorb spells.

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By themselves, without considering fSTR and Attack, MND and STR have exactly the same effect on the WS damage equation. They are both 40%.

However STR also adds ATT and affects your fSTR. For this reason there is no possible way that MND can be better than STR on Quietus.

You are arguing for the sake of arguing or just to troll.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

By themselves, without considering fSTR and Attack, MND and STR have exactly the same effect on the WS damage equation. They are both 40%.

However STR also adds ATT and affects your fSTR. For this reason there is no possible way that MND can be better than STR on Quietus.

You are arguing for the sake of arguing or just to troll.

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Wrong. This is the method I use to learn. Frankly, I don't care if you lot don't like it. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]

Stop attacking me.

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Wrong. This is the method I use to learn. Frankly, I don't care if you lot don't like it. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]

Stop attacking me.

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i said the same thing more or less <_<

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Mathematics does not lie. I already know that STR is better than MND for Quietus so why would I need to test it when I already know what the answer is?

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Most players either don't understand the % of damage that a mod puts into a WS nor how it works. I have a very strong feeling that there are full vit torcleaver builds out there rofl. The other thing is that vs a certain mob like an trash mob they might be capping fSTR.

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Originally Posted by Cruentus

You know, I have to wonder if people even know how to gear for Quietus. I mean, 40% each on STR & MND means you don't gear for Quietus like you do for, say, Guillotine. Hasn't anyone tried using both STR and MND in their WS set for this?

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OK now i know your pissed at pple and all that but wtf are you on about.
Gearing for STR and MND over Just STR means nothing... there really no peices you'd swap out for DRK
For example.

Twilight body and head ... already are the best MND peices
Hands... find a mind or str and mnd that beats 12 STR(hefloc)
Legs.. 12 STR 15 acc / atk from bale+2 ... nothing gets close
feet ... 9 STR/MND it's all there anyway
Rings.... Raja or 7STR if ya switch to a 7 MND ring you'll lose attack
Earring ... Brutal/Bale
Ammo ... not really many choices anyway
Back ... Atheling mantle +3% Da
Waist and Neck is the Gorgets/Elemental belt for WS mod.

As for having a go at the math i'd say yea you have to test it sometimes but in this case it's really simple stuff.

If your gonna reply to this plz put forward what gear would you use.
(btw i havn't considered the recently added gear in this)

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OK now i know your pissed at pple and all that but wtf are you on about.
Gearing for STR and MND over Just STR means nothing... there really no peices you'd swap out for DRK
For example.

Twilight body and head ... already are the best MND peices
Hands... find a mind or str and mnd that beats 12 STR(hefloc)
Legs.. 12 STR 15 acc / atk from bale+2 ... nothing gets close
feet ... 9 STR/MND it's all there anyway
Rings.... Raja or 7STR if ya switch to a 7 MND ring you'll lose attack
Earring ... Brutal/Bale
Ammo ... not really many choices anyway
Back ... Atheling mantle +3% Da
Waist and Neck is the Gorgets/Elemental belt for WS mod.

As for having a go at the math i'd say yea you have to test it sometimes but in this case it's really simple stuff.

If your gonna reply to this plz put forward what gear would you use.
(btw i havn't considered the recently added gear in this)

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I honestly haven't put together a WS set. I may never get around to that. I'm sick of all the ridiculous grinding in this game. Just let me get the storylines done, and I'll call it good.

huh? there literally is no grinding anymore <_< instead of months/years you can do it all in weeks if you know what you're doing.

omg stop being a baby