What is your best charged whisker farming setup?

I seen some crazy blue mages with charged whisker farming in many areas.
Chigoes, crabs fish bombs lots of places farming lots of mobs. They are able to wipe their group in one shot. I am curious what is the best group damage per mob you done and what is your setup? I have heard of setups of over 60k dmg to a group but i know there are people who can do more when they wipe out 20 mobs i one shot at 5k / mob if anyone is willing to share their secret as abysea is now almost a small group farm or almost solo duo now for things like feet etc

Atmas i am still trying working on getting are atma of the lion atma of the ultimate for farming have done over 3k / mob on groups of 10-15 mobs

i try to stack MAB spells and gear
blu/rdm

plen. embrace / ascetics tonic / memento mori / burst affinity / charged whisker / dream flower

Gear

hq thunder stave
moldav earring, loquascious (working on hecate's)
artemis necklace
af + 1 head
+ 1 afv3 hands
dynamis body
wiccan subligar
mavi talthum
snow ring x 2
twilight cape
+1 feet


Spell lists

amplification
plenilence embrace
momento mori
charged whisker
dream flower
actinic burst
goblin rush
metalic body
cocoon
occulation

Atma

Atma of the Beyond
Minikin Mon.
Apocolypse incase things go wrong

LINK: Here is my gearset. It's pretty sub-par, but it's worked very well for me so far.

For Atmas, I used Lion, Beyond, and MM, but I recently got Blinding Horn, so I'll drop MM for it.

LINK: Here's me trying to find a refresh hairpin without Blinding Horn or /rdm (was/nin)

You should try setting Whirl of Rage. It's nice to open the fight with, and lets you use CA+Efflux on something. It usually does ~1.5-2k and stuns everything. After that I use Dream Flower, Ascetics Tonic (Which does NOT stack with Memento Mori), wait for Whirl cooldown then I BA+Charged Whisker and Whirl of Rage again.

I have Actinic, Yawn, and Thermal Pulse set for emergency use, but I haven't ever needed them yet.

edit: Why are hyperlinks forced to be the default text color? dumb.

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Originally Posted by sope

LINK: Here is my gearset. It's pretty sub-par, but it's worked very well for me so far.

For Atmas, I used Lion, Beyond, and MM, but I recently got Blinding Horn, so I'll drop MM for it.

LINK: Here's me trying to find a refresh hairpin without Blinding Horn or /rdm (was/nin)

You should try setting Whirl of Rage. It's nice to open the fight with, and lets you use CA+Efflux on something. It usually does ~1.5-2k and stuns everything. After that I use Dream Flower, Ascetics Tonic (Which does NOT stack with Memento Mori), wait for Whirl cooldown then I BA+Charged Whisker and Whirl of Rage again.

I have Actinic, Yawn, and Thermal Pulse set for emergency use, but I haven't ever needed them yet.

edit: Why are hyperlinks forced to be the default text color? dumb.

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After your dream flower try boosting up with a couple of fantods.

I do /RDM as well for the natural MAB I (or is it II? I forget which one RDM gets by then, I think it's just I) as well as a better Stoneskin, Aquaveil, Protect, and Phalanx.

My setup for Charged Whisker:

Jupiter's Staff / Bugard Leather Strap +1 / None / Mavi Tathlum (nothing better atm)
Aias Bonnet* / Artemis' Medal / Hecate's Earring / Moldavite Earring
Teal Saio / Mavi Bazuband +1 / Omega Ring / Demon's Ring (Aug'd with MAB+2, M.crit +2%)
Prism Cape / Penitent's Rope / Teal Slops / Mavi Bismak +1

*Bonnet: See note below

Atmas I use are MM/RR/Beyond, actually.

The reason I have the Aias Bonnet / RR atma is because Charged Whisker has a 50% DEX mod. Since BLU doesn't get much for the head slot, the DEX is nice. As for RR, I've actually swapped that out for Blinding Horn now, but that was only a recent gain so I haven't had a chance to test out the damage increase. :P

Still no refresh hairpin. ;;

What other magic spells are half decent. Been farming the scorp in altepa for jewels and dmg spells do nothing. I am there to get yellow but after that, I only do stun.
You really need magical nukes on him, so its easier warp back change to pup with blm puppet or equip half decent magic spells to help the blm.

I dont have lion yet or ultimate, for pup I use Beyond MM and Baying Moon.

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Originally Posted by ShadowHeart

plen. embrace / ascetics tonic / memento mori

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I'm not 100% sure on p.embrace but Tonic and Memento don't stack, I believe the Tonic takes priority.
Fantod is a better option if you're going to be using Tonics a lot.

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Originally Posted by Kensagaku

I do /RDM as well for the natural MAB I (or is it II? I forget which one RDM gets by then, I think it's just I) as well as a better Stoneskin, Aquaveil, Protect, and Phalanx.

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RDM gets MAB II at 40.

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Originally Posted by Kensagaku

The reason I have the Aias Bonnet / RR atma is because Charged Whisker has a 50% DEX mod. Since BLU doesn't get much for the head slot, the DEX is nice. As for RR, I've actually swapped that out for Blinding Horn now, but that was only a recent gain so I haven't had a chance to test out the damage increase. :P

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With Burst Affinity Active the ratio is about 2INT = 1DEX for damage.

I haven't done much testing yet as I'm still missing the base feet(sitting on 8 feet seals) and I know that will change my numbers by a lot. But without them Atma of the Brother Wolf did more than MM for my damage, I don't think this will change to be honest but it gives others another Atma option if they're lacking the Lightning Attack ones..

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Originally Posted by xbobx

What other magic spells are half decent.

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Thermal Pulse is pretty good damage (1.2-1.6k without BA) and the added effect blind is nice if you aren't 2 shotting monsters yet.

i have been using teal body recently and been wondering about loki's kaftan for the DEX would this be better or would u recommend staying with mab ?

Going off 2 INT = 1 DEX Teal's 6 INT accounts for 3 DEX on Loki, that means you're comparing 4 DEX against 4 MAB. MAB should win.

no zagen you miss understood what 2dex = 1int means, i means that teals 6 int is = to 12 dex

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Originally Posted by Ezekieal

no zagen you miss understood what 2dex = 1int means, i means that teals 6 int is = to 12 dex

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Actually I got it backwards yesterday, under BA it takes 2 INT to match 1 DEX which is why you'll see Whisker builds with DEX over INT.

I didn't realize I had mixed DEX and INT in my first post and just went off that without even thinking about it. Outside of BA its 1.2~ DEX = 1 INT so without BA INT is the way to go but you "shouldn't" be doing whiskers without BA up unless you're lacking Atma and/or Emp +1 Feet.

Updating my previous posts with the correct ratios.

Also keep in mind these numbers aren't exact as they differ slightly depending on your gear/atma/monster. But it is safe to say without BA equal amount of INT is better, with BA an equal amount of DEX is better. And in either case an equal amount of MAB is better :D

Edit: Here is my build. By no means is this the "best" it is just what I've attained thus far. My midway goal is this: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/209936

Jupiter's Staff | Spear Strap | | INT+2 Satchel
Mavi Kavuk +1 | Artemis' Medal | Moldavite Earring | Loquacious Earring
Mirke Wardecors | Mavi Bazuband +1 | Rajas Ring | Jupiter's Ring
Nifty Mantle | Warwolf Belt | Teal Slops | Lithe Boots

With that I was getting 3.1k~ on DC-VT Peapuks in V. Inlet [A] last night.
Atma: RR/MM/Bay Moon
Buffs: Fantod 2-3x, Memento Mori, /RDM
Mirke has MAB+4

and that was with 300tp BA?

0 tp... swapping staves means no tp. Well maybe like 0-10 from hits since I was pulling

nice, i found i didnt need to swap staves
whisker > actinic burst > dream flower
with aquavail occulation stoneskin phalanx etc was never an issue and could keep tp from isl. was breakin 5k easily using
lion/blinding horn/beyond
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/211843

thinking about it tho i should of prolly used RR instead of beyond, didnt need MM cos of isl/temps

had a few fantods and ascetics up

Because I don't have boots or lion/blinding horn I have to gear swap not for Actinic/Dream but for Whirl of Rage and Thermal Pulse because I'm not gonna sit there waiting for Whisker recast :D

I've never played around with TP as a factor, honestly didn't see it as a part of the equation since it is a magical spell and not physical. Though I haven't looked into optimizing for CW yet beyond INT vs. DEX testing since I know the biggest factors I'm lacking is atma/boots.

yeah tp with burst affinity makes it a very noticable difference

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...edwhisker.jpg/ link for current whisker farming kill working on better still

jupiters staff/ thunder grip / snow satchel
aias bonnet / artemis medal / hecates earring / moldavite earring
teal saoi / mavi +1 hands / thunder soul / rajas
hecates cape / thiazi belt / wica subligar / mavi boots + 1

blinding horn / baying moon / RR atmas

have yet to implement fantod or play with which spells are best before ascetics / burst affinity / CW
or should i use spell > ascetics > burst > CW
still playing but getting there slowly got KI for lion atma so doing next week to test with diff atmas at that time

Why are people using Beyond, if I might ask?

If you're going purely for damage, wouldn't Ultimate + Lion + Blinding Horn be best? You can always use an ISL Chest, Martello or Temps to restore MP when you get too low.


Also Indra's Staff +2 ftw. That's a whopping +90% Lightning attack when combined with the Atma.


OOC though, wouldn't this work better with a BLM's Thundaga 3? (I"d like to say Thundaja but that's not likely to happen until 99 update) given all the native MAB and MAB gear BLM has access to?

I'm just trying to understand why BLU is the go-to job for this - does charged whisker really beat out Thundaga 3 on damage? Or is it that BLU has so much better survivability?

Because Blu can wear Indra's +2... and it doesn't stack with atma in that fashion, it's calculated differently. Or should I say weirdly?

Bah derp, coulda sworn it could. Oh well, Jupiter's it is then.

Currently my setup is as follows:
legs Mavi Tayt +2
ear2 Hecate's Earring
waist Cuchulain's Belt
body Loki's Kaftan
ear1 Moldavite earring
back Cuchulain's cape
hands Mavi bazuband +2
ring1 Rajas Ring
ring2 Jupiter's ring
head Aias bonnet
neck Caract choker
feet Mavi basmak +2
ammo Thunder Sachet
Main Jupiter's Staff

Atma:
Atma of the Lion
Atma of the Blinding Horn
Atma of the Ultimate

Messed around in Abyssea - Altepa and manage around 5.5~6.6K Charged Whisker on Surveyors depending on what I can buff myself with. When critical dmg activates from Hecates I will randomly see up to 9k.

I'm fairly certain magic critical hit doesn't work like that.

Well, I've never seen set bonus activated on Charged Whisker and only seen a 9k charged whisker occur after getting hecates. It wasn't a day bonus as the day this occured on was Darksday. Here is proof it actually occured: 9k CW shot and this is my typical numbers: Typical damage

Both were with same buffs, atma, and gear within only half an hour of each other. Unfortunately I don't have the exact calculation for charged whisker damage to show proof it was a set bonus activation or not either. I only know it has a 50% dex mod, but not what assumed base D is nor if the equation delineation is Caster-dex to Mob-Dex which I also don' thave numbers for the mobs stats to create an approximation so that I could then just punch in the set-bonus' perceived change. Then again two +2 pieces is a perceived2% activation rate for set-bonus so it wouldn't be far fetched to say that I just randomly got a lucky proc even though I've done cleaves like this a hundred times over and never seen that occur prior to getting earring.

Unless BLU magic is different (I doubt it) Magic Crit base is MAB+10. For each Magic Critical Damage(Rate) +1% = MAB+1% on a Crit. I think rate might be double effect, as in adds rate and increases the base damage on a crit so with Hecate's it would be 3% chance of getting MAB+13 on a nuke.

How many Fantods were used for each?

Edit: Also update on my personal numbers 3.2-3.6k Whiskers and 1.4-1.7k Pulse on Slashers/Gashers in Miss. Coast using Tonic, /RDM, Baying Moon/RR/MM(ISL/Temp boxes are too random for MP restoration).

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Originally Posted by Zagen

Unless BLU magic is different (I doubt it) Magic Crit base is MAB+10. For each Magic Critical Damage(Rate) +1% = MAB+1% on a Crit. I think rate might be double effect, as in adds rate and increases the base damage on a crit so with Hecate's it would be 3% chance of getting MAB+13 on a nuke.

How many Fantods were used for each?

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Unfortunately I don't have the exact calculation for charged whisker damage to show proof it was a set bonus activation or not either. I only know it has a 50% dex mod, but not what assumed base D is nor if the equation delineation is Caster-dex to Mob-Dex which I also don' thave numbers for the mobs stats to create an approximation so that I could then just punch in the set-bonus' perceived change. Then again two +2 pieces is a perceived2% activation rate for set-bonus so it wouldn't be far fetched to say that I just randomly got a lucky proc even though I've done cleaves like this a hundred times over and never seen that occur prior to getting earring.

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Incase you missed what I added, but both were with 10. Typically I have someone pull to me since they can gather more in than I can and I am able to one shot them with full buffs. No other outside changes occurred, not gear changes, no atma changes and both with Tonic active (without tonic I peak at 5.7k normally).

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Originally Posted by Kitkat

Incase you missed what I added, but both were with 10. Typically I have someone pull to me since they can gather more in than I can and I am able to one shot them with full buffs. No other outside changes occurred, not gear changes, no atma changes and both with Tonic active (without tonic I peak at 5.7k normally).

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Where in what you quoted:

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Unfortunately I don't have the exact calculation for charged whisker damage to show proof it was a set bonus activation or not either. I only know it has a 50% dex mod, but not what assumed base D is nor if the equation delineation is Caster-dex to Mob-Dex which I also don' thave numbers for the mobs stats to create an approximation so that I could then just punch in the set-bonus' perceived change. Then again two +2 pieces is a perceived2% activation rate for set-bonus so it wouldn't be far fetched to say that I just randomly got a lucky proc even though I've done cleaves like this a hundred times over and never seen that occur prior to getting earring.

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Does it say 10, ten, Fantod? I did a search and only found my 10, ten, or Fantod that I wrote out in my posts.

So unless M.Crit is different for BLU spells which I highly doubt they would have gone through the trouble to do that it more than likely is set proc.

Think you misconstrued what I meant since I stated I had added additional info as well as answered your question in the same sentence. Didn't mean to imply I had previously stated how many fantod had been used in prior post, just that I had added additional info on what I do know, but also still lacked sufficient information to have exact conclusions.

Still think the number is high for a set bonus activation, but without exact equations can't be certain.

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Think you misconstrued what I meant since I stated I had added additional info as well as answered your question in the same sentence. Didn't mean to imply I had previously stated how many fantod had been used in prior post, just that I had added additional info on what I do know, but also still lacked sufficient information to have exact conclusions.

Still think the number is high for a set bonus activation, but without exact equations can't be certain.

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Sorry, I usually read comas as a pause and then continuation of the same thought not making a new thought.

Either way your information just goes to show there is a lot more to factor than just 1 piece of armor. A combination of Magic Crit damage + Set Proc is possible as well as maybe the changed to a lower level meaning lower stats thus helping your damage spike further.

Also I don't know if it is a DEX check on DEX, from all the different equations I've seen it has always been a yourINT vs. mobINT or yourDEX vs. mobINT. I don't know if those are right just what I've seen thrown around on other forums.

Ah, I see. I'll have to scour BG or SG to see if either have the equation. Also, the mobs lvl were increasing due to upwards of 3 groups pulling the same mob, but either way I was surprised to see nearly a 3k increase on anything I'd ever done prior. It's too bad bonus doesn't activate more often.

Atma of hell's guardian, atma of the ultimate and atma of the blinding horn are the best way to go for dmg.

Atma of the lion is about the same boost as atma of the razed ruin, but razed ruin is only on par with lion when burst affinitys active.

Average 5100 with enervation up on slashers and gashers in abyssea - misareaux, no fantods or asetics tonics, this is with blinding horn ultimate and lion, don't have hells guardian yet but from my testing its 50 magic attack will outdo lion since ultimate does.

ultimate > blinding horn > lion = razed ruin

My set up is as follows:
Weapon: Jupiter's Staff
Sub: Spear Strap
Ammo: Mavi Tathlum
Head: Aias Bonnet
Neck: Artemis Medal
Ear1: Hecate's Earring
Ear2: Novio Earring
Body: Loki's Kaftan
Hands: Mavi Bazubands +2
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Jupiter's Ring
Back: Vigilance Mantle +1
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Mavi Tayt +2
Feet: Mavi Basmak +2

The only things I'm curious about is whether I should use a Thunder Sachet over the Mavi Tathlum, and whether I should use the Mavi Tayt +2's or the Teal Slops.... hmmmmmmm

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The only things I'm curious about is whether I should use a Thunder Sachet over the Mavi Tathlum, and whether I should use the Mavi Tayt +2's or the Teal Slops.... hmmmmmmm

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Yes and yes.

Thunder Sachet adds damage (skill isn't factored for magical damage oddly enough) Mavi Tathlum only adds MACC.
Mavi Tayt +2 would only lose to teal if you're not using Burst Affinity which shouldn't be the case :D

Also update on my gear:
Jupiter's Staff
Spear Strap
Maat's Cap
Shifting Necklace
Loquacious Earring
Moldavite Earring
Loki's Kaftan
Mavi Bazuband +1
Jupiter's Ring
Rajas Ring
Aisance Mantle +1
Cuchulain's Belt
Mavi Tayt +2
Mavi Basmak +1

5.3k-6.2k in Mis. Coast depending on spell set now.

Also I found that Loki's Kaftan was slightly more damage than my Mirke with MAB+4 on it. So it seems at least when using Ultimate/Blinding Horn/Lion with my gear set 6 DEX > 4 MAB.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/223402

I haven't tried fantod yet, but i'd assume Plen Embrace (during proper moon phase) would be much better as Fantod can't touch triumphant roar. without using the staff or Memento Mori i was doing 5k with an ascetics tonic to Mandy's in Abyssea-Altepa. I use Beyond, Blinding Horn, Lion atmas. (wish i had ultimate :P) oh and i was subbing nin

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Originally Posted by Defiledsickness

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/223402

I haven't tried fantod yet, but i'd assume Plen Embrace (during proper moon phase) would be much better as Fantod can't touch triumphant roar. without using the staff or Memento Mori i was doing 5k with an ascetics tonic to Mandy's in Abyssea-Altepa. I use Beyond, Blinding Horn, Lion atmas. (wish i had ultimate :P) oh and i was subbing nin

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Just in case an FYI, P.Embrace, Memento Mori, and Tonic don't stack (not sure which overwrites which) that's why Fantod is used.

oh lame! well at least fantod is only 1 point. and you typically dont have tonics forever so i guess it still works out.

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i havent been able to get memento mori + fantod to beat plen embrace so far. and trying to hit 5 casts of fantod, mori wears off. and over that i typically need embrace to heal myself after gathering mobs.