Gotta love the title eh. Only reason I choose it was to get back at the person who stole my threads thunder. Now for the point, people have been complaining about Quietus, Torcleaver, and Guillotine damage, and sayin that they need to be stronger especially the scythe ws's. Well we need to have stronger ws's on both Great Sword and Scythe, and we need it to be constantly brought up. So in honor of fairness i'll start this forum off please discuss and add to it.
Great Sword. First off I have always been a GS Drk and will continue to be so. Now GS has had bad rep for a long time, despite its power people would always say too weak and lolgs or even grab a scythe you loser. Great Sword was however a very good weapon tho, I have proved it in many circumstances in the past and right now our best weapons are Greatswords. However we need some better ws's. We need to have the power that a GS should represent, we need something that people can finally say, hey i'm gonna level GS. First I would do some minor adjustments to Groundstrike, Scourge, and Torcleaver. Increase the Damage mods to these would be perfect, hell i'd consider buffing spinning slash as well, but those 3 definitely. Second we need new and exciting ws's for instance I've brought it up and several others on the thread have brought it up as well, OMNISLASH. Talk about most epic GS ws ever. In all I love that GS has a new niche in the weapons world, having the highest DOT of weapons, but now it needs some ws's to back it up. One last thing, herculean slash should have a better buff for mab, seriously that would work well with drk's abundance of mab gear, just a thought.
Scythe: The one thing i can say about scythe is I'm tired of having the same ws for the last 40 levels, good god please come up with something new and exciting, quietus is a big disappointment and redemption looks like a colibri head, granted a colibri head of death but its still a bird. Personally I like the color scheme of it like caladbolg's but not so much the design, and like caladbolg i love the ws design, and thats were the love ends. Quietus damage is way too weak, its an empyrean ws damn it, it should have more power than that. Guillotine however is fine don't touch it, we need to move on anyways, insurgency however needs a buff, catastrophe is kinda meh, spiral hell is also very weak. I would think that best way to fix these as with gs is just buff damage multiplier, maybe do something with the aftermath effects of relic and mythic.
Biggest point for all ws's tho is STOP USING POINTLESS STATS FOR WS'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SERIOUSLY ITS THE DUMBEST THING IN THE WORLD THAT WE NEED MND BUILDS ON DRK TO INCREASE WS DAMAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT'S ALSO EQUALLY DUMB TO GIVE US A VIT MOD FOR OUR BEST WS ON GS I MEAN SERIOUSLY WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
please consider all the following SE and we will be very pleased.
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04-29-2011, 09:42 AMStingRay104The Official Dark Knight Weaponskill Forum
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04-29-2011, 11:07 AMKagato
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04-29-2011, 11:41 AMJar
wow 2 troll weaponskill threads in 1 day <_< just post in the original dont need 50 threads with the same thing
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04-29-2011, 12:50 PMRezeakPretty much this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jar
I'm all for breaking up topics to talk about smaller aspects like say 1 Post talking about DRKs Magic as whole and another focusing on the use of a certain spell thats cool cause it's clear but 2 identical topic comon.
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04-29-2011, 12:57 PMKagato
He made it 3 hours I made mine and his first line even says he made this topic out of spite.
Just use the topic I made. It's even cleaner than this one. Though it has 80% more Jar... :| -
04-29-2011, 02:15 PMJarwith that im making it 90% more Jar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagato
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04-29-2011, 05:02 PMStingRay104
You guys are so unbelievably oblivious. The title is the only troll part to this forum, the forum itself is meant to promot more ideas for new and improved weaponskills. Of course it's easier to just call someone a troll and go about your days, if thats the case, then find a different forum. This forum is reserved for ws adjustment and new ws ideas only.
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04-29-2011, 05:06 PMJarTotally rather post here than somewhere that gets nuked by a mod because someone lost an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by StingRay104
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04-29-2011, 05:26 PMKagatoBut here's the thing. You were 3 hours too late. There was a topic already made with the exact same purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by StingRay104
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04-29-2011, 06:16 PMStingRay104
If you can't post something about weaponskills then post don't post anything at all.
now write this on a chalkboard 200 times, lets see if that sinks in.
Also don't need me to count the number of days your thread came after mine of the same concept do I kagato?
The more SE sees people discussing things the more they will feel inclined to fix it, its why we got Last Resort, not because your official forum demanded it, but because every forum demanded it.
Weaponskills, as I said don't post unless its about weaponskills so here we go. I have always liked the concept of GS weaponskills doing better against high defense mobs and scythe ws's having multi hits that hurt, and would love to keep that theme goin but at same time GS does need at least 1 ws to utilize souleater to its maximum potential. This is just how I feel idk if others feel the same or not, but I would love to see some ideas from others on this. -
04-30-2011, 12:52 AMKagato
...wow. :|
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04-30-2011, 07:15 AMDart
posting in a not so epic thread~
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04-30-2011, 10:51 PMUrteilI AGREE WITH YOU.Quote:
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05-01-2011, 08:25 AMRezeakQuote:
Originally Posted by StingRay104
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All i really have to say is you started it.Quote:
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As to Weaponskills most of the stuff that i believe has been posted on the Topic made before this so i have nothing to add :P -
05-03-2011, 06:30 PMAtomic_SkullTorcleaver is much stronger than Spinning Slash so why does Torcleaver need to be adjusted but Spinning Slash not?Quote:
Originally Posted by StingRay104
Because then every single WS would be STR modified. I'm not for anything that's going to make DRK cater to noobs the way SAM did. SAM WS sets require no knowledge of how damage calculations work, you just throw on as much STR as you can get i.e. "MOAR STR DUR HUR"Quote:
Originally Posted by StingRay104
Also, if Torcleaver were STR 60% instead of VIT 60% they'd have to lower the fTP from 4.75 to something like 3.5 or else it would become broken.
FYI if you are stacking nothing but VIT on Torcleaver you're not going to reach the fSTR cap, you want fSTR capped first, THEN you add VIT. -
05-03-2011, 07:44 PMvedder
i been doing math all day an then i look/read atomics post.......nooooo moooooo mathhhhhhhhh /em runs away at thought of looking at fstr values AGAIN
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05-04-2011, 04:33 AMStingRay104
The rason I didn't list Spinning Slash is atm the best ws's on GS in order are Torcleaver, Spinning Slash, Ground Strike. Spinning Slash is quite strong for the level you get it at and I didn't want to unbalance the job at lower levels, which is why I said Torcleaver and Groundstrike. As for your comment about stat mod's you do have a point, if we had tons of vit gear to throw on which atm we are sadly lacking then you'd have a completely valid point, but its that lack that makes me include Torcleaver on the list of needs a buff. Also Torcleaver does nowhere near the damage of other empy ws's and yes I know RR breaks empy's, but its all the same, empy ws's should all be god strong especially in abyssea with atmas. Btw did you all notice we get more atmas in the new stuff comin out, looks like atmas could be full time everywhere, just sayin and plz no trolls on this comment. Honestly tho Torcleaver does need a little bit of a buff, and I think it should be Vit 75% or give us better gear for this either is fine, also raise damage multipliers in all 3 categories by.25 so its 5,6,6.75 or 7 and give it the high attack boost against high def like gekko, spinning slash, and groundstrike, Torcleaver means tower cleaver it should reflect that name.
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05-04-2011, 09:31 AMRezeakNo it doesn't outside abyssea it performs very wellQuote:
Originally Posted by StingRay104
Inside abyssea it falls apart because it doesn't crit either way the problem isn't the way Torcleaver works it's how RR is overpowered.
Either way i enjoy on how Torcleaver is designed it has a strong base dmg so the best way to buff it is with attack which is awsome cause DRK is a great job at stacking attack. -
05-04-2011, 06:01 PMStingRay104
And what happens when all the new content has atmas with like the new void stuff we are gettin, then no matter what we do it seems weaker to the RR, besides it still doesn't change the fact that we lack good vit gear, so either we need a stronger mod like 75% or higher or just more gear to choose from. I know we get twilight gear which is +25 vit but if your like me and have really bad luck at gettin these pieces then what do you got to fall back on, ares, ya tryin to find groups for that is difficult on my server, not even gonna bother with the few other pieces because ultimately twilight can replace them and is easier to get than them atm, just got bad luck lol, but we have other slots that need vit gear to setup for torcleaver. Yes I completely agree Torcleaver is awesome, but it should be a little, high emphasis on LITTLE, bit stronger than it is both inside and out.
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05-06-2011, 06:46 AMRezeak
Lets not base stuff on content that hasn't been released yet
the point about VIT gear and all isn't really a issue
Torcleaver was given a great ftp mod (best in game)
So all you have to do with the Weaponskill outside abyssea is stack on attack and it'll perform as one of the best Weaponskills (in my experience only Ukkos is better) also it makes Absorb VIT worth casting.
It's just inside abyssea atmas make things unbalanced.
Honestly i believe the best fix for this would easily be an Atma thats make any WS have access to crits.
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05-06-2011, 08:21 AMGraddGet off my job please.Quote:
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05-06-2011, 08:57 AMJaroh not being a dick but wiki Wildfire bro unless you holding TP it has best fTPQuote:
Originally Posted by Rezeak
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05-06-2011, 07:03 PMStingRay104
So you think that to fix the ws in abyssea is make another atma, so in order to use rr we have to use this other atma and thus already be 2/3 atmas and be limited on the usage of atmas? That doesn't sound like a good idea, hell I think it should just get a slightly better draw from attack, or better yet make all empy weaponskills critable, just plain you can crit this just like a melee hit, then with RR you have 50% chance of critting. However that won't fix the problem completely, we still lack the proper gear, now if they fixed absorb spells then yes you have a valid point, honestly its been so long since absorb stat spells have been useful I kinda forgot about them, but Fixing them both inside and outside would make it much easier to utilize mods on ws's, which would give drk more of an edge , not to much but just enough to be useful. As for other guys post about absorb spells not worth being cast, if all you want to do is melee then go level war or sam, absorb spells like acc and tp are still useful if you can land them, and if they could fix them so they would not decay and stack with cruor buffs then they would be much nicer, I got 24 of a absorb outside abyssea the other day, 36 with Nethervoid, but enough of that this is a WS forum. I'm still gonna stand by my point that Torcleaver needs a little buff, if that be all empy ws's can crit then fine I can accept that as a good enough buff, but it still needs a buff.