You are going to be embarassed when the goal isn't met for the first vanabout

I think you over estimate the amount of actual players and the ones willing to do 20 ambuscades during one of the worse months. And the rewards for doing so are not a juicy carrot.

This is a massive miscalculation.

Ohohohoh. Trying to hide my post about you ninja changing the plaudit goal, because you figured out the bots that you counted in your estimation don't do events. That's funny.

Shame. Shame. Shame.

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I think you over estimate the amount of actual players and the ones willing to do 20 ambuscades during one of the worse months. And the rewards for doing so are not a juicy carrot.

This is a massive miscalculation.

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Yea... except Ambuscade waits are 20+ minutes on Fenrir right now. The only reason we may not meet the goal is there aren't enough servers to support us sitting in there 15-30 minutes doing objectives.

The Gold Tier personal reward is 1,300 plaudits. That's the five Round RoEs netting you 30 each (150) plus the ten Daily RoEs netting you 10 each (100 per day), so at minimum meeting Daily RoEs for basically 12 days out of the 14 (although 15 resets) it's running for.

And that's at least three Ambuscades per day. Woo.

Would have been nicer if it was a variety of events to undertake, rather than just Ambuscade. I hope it's not just varied goals for Ambuscade every month (presuming it will be because that's where the event Moogle is).

hey look uriah being a debbie downer, who'da thought?

I'm not optimistic. If there isn't some kind of catch-up mechanic to let people pick up the points they miss by not logging in and spending an hour or three on Ambuscade every day, then the event is dead in the water. I don't think anyone was expecting this to be so restrictive.

24,412,500 was a wildly ambitious ultimate target when each character is limited to 1550 plaudits over the life of the event. I'm not sure how many people are actually playing daily (mmo-population.com estimates 28,800, mmostats.com puts at around 17,600) but it would take 15,750 characters scoring every single possible plaudit to hit the 150% stretch goal. That doesn't seem realistic; that much Ambuscade is a chore. Doing it for just one day was a chore.

To look at it another way... each day we, as a community, need to make a bit over 10% of the goal to hit the 6 day campaign extension. There are no make-up days, no picking up the slack over the weekend - each and every day those plaudits need to be shoveled in, or they vanish. As of right now, 12 hours into the first day of the event, we're at... 1%. That is not promising.

Ambuscade rewards have already been revamped 3-4 times since it's inception.

Why would we do Ambuscades x20 in a month ....for more ambuscade point accumulation in the following month?

I just don't understand the incentivization? I mean, you might as well give us a "Signet +50% duration" campaign, if 10,000 people get Signet in a month? The work/effort doesn't translate to a reward.

If December's Ambuscade plaudits resulted in a January Gallimaufry +25% campaign, that might be more worthwhile, don't you think?

When the event was announced I thought it was going to ask us to do a whole bunch of things... not just Ambuscade. So much as I was critical of a certain someone this event isn't exactly exciting me either.

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When the event was announced I thought it was going to ask us to do a whole bunch of things... not just Ambuscade. So much as I was critical of a certain someone this event isn't exactly exciting me either.

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I might be alone here but I'd really like a Exemplar Points campaign so I can at least for a little while grind a fair amount without being tempted to pay mercs or botters.

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I might be alone here

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There is something to be said about the value of self-awareness.

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There is something to be said about the value of self-awareness.

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Such as the awareness that I meant to quote Gwydion and not myself

Perhaps also users who log in once or twice a week who realised they don't have a shot at meeting the personal goals.

Perhaps users who don't have an extra half an hour per day because they're working toward other in-game goals, whether they like the idea of Vana'Bout rewards or not.

Perhaps users who have no reason to do Ambuscade in the first place and consider the rewards underwhelming.


Still, there's a couple of thousand of us going at it. Just can't leave those boxes unchecked.


I really hope they spread it out across all events. Even Garrison and Ballista!

A shame they couldn't look at the incentive end of it too. I've been doing dailies, but I really don't know why I should keep it up when it feels like an absolute chore and saps all my motivation to play, and the most I seem to have to look forward to is maybe 23,000 exemplar points. That's a fraction of a Peach Power, and at least that only eats ten minutes every hour.

Honestly, why is the dead line Christmas? Why is this event only 2 weeks? Who's going to burn out 2 weeks leading up to christmas for this event? ....What do they expect people to do December 26 - January 1st? Also the rewards are not enticing or exciting enough to go back to Ambuscade.

All of this makes me very sad and upset, so I just will do Sortie, Odyssey and AMAN Trove.

The vana'bout goal is basically impossible.

A few days in, we're making like 25% of the pace we need to be to achieve the goal.


Edit: seems like the goal posts have been moved, as suddenly we're on track

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The vana'bout goal is basically impossible.

A few days in, we're making like 25% of the pace we need to be to achieve the goal.

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Looks like we're on track now. Now that the goal is 25% of what it was. Because of "congestion" apparently; yeah, those 2 to 5 minute waits at peak hours were definitely why we only made 3% of the goal the first two days...

The responsible thing to do would be to just emergency maintenance, take away the RoEs, cancel the whole thing, and apologize and offer anyone with plaudits a few abdhaljs seals or one of those stupid ethereal weapon kupons as compensation for their lost time. Send the whole affair back to the drawing board, because this was spectacularly poorly planned, designed, and executed, and it frankly just makes everyone involved - players included! - look bad.

All they really had to do was give assignements for a variety of content instead of just ambuscade.

Or, just off the top of my head here... take the 7 objectives that weren't literally "don't fail at three ambuscades", make them worth 25 plaudits each, and cap plaudits per person from dailies at 100 per day of the event. Win your three ambuscades, do three other things, and you're done. Miss a day? Do the other four and you're caught up.

If they want to do this better the next time, the smart thing would be to take the system from Omen that tracks objectives, and find a way to make it portable. Put it into whatever content they want to boost, have it give plaudits instead of a tenth of a job card. And run it on more than one type of content; make it, like, Campaign and Sortie, or Odyssey and Ambuscade, one thing people really want to do and one thing that's not as popular.

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Such as the awareness that I meant to quote Gwydion and not myself

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Woah there, have some self-respect.

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Even Garrison and Ballista!

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that would never happen but I would pay money for anything to convince some friends to ballista with me for a stream lol

Is Vana'bout actually worth doing? It's annoying once you reach 300 plaudits, you only get to pick on of the prizes, not all of them at that tier. 100 deeds will be worth it at 900 but that's about it. Job points, no. 13,000 exempler pts? that's only 3 lvls when lower down. Not worth doing after 900 plaudits, I think. As people mentioned earlier, give us mog bonanza-ish rewards as an incentive.

I do hope they change it from ambuscade to Odyssey or Sortie & don't keep it as it is.

I returned a little over a month ago now and as a solo player this event has left me a bit deflated. First off, I didn't realise this event was only 2 weeks long, it didn't even dawn on me it would be since everything else seems to be around a month. Thats on me though.

So I started the event a bit late earlier this week and today, after doing a bit of math, I realise now that there is no point to me continuing with it. I'm currently sat on 380 points and right now the best I can manage is 80/100 from the dailys and that takes some decent time and effort. So that means that even if I keep that up, the best I can get is 730 points or there abouts (including the overall ones). I certainly won't hit 900.

That is just not worth the effort. The 300 point bronze rewards are...not much use. The 900 point silver though is a massive jump. 100 Deeds as a returner is a massive boost and the the pells are pretty useful as well. So any single choice from that feels good. Gold..well not hitting that anyway now.

But checking the moogle and the "Overall rewards" category and it's currently only offering 10k EXP? Don't know if that will change but it seems worthless.

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I returned a little over a month ago now and as a solo player this event has left me a bit deflated. First off, I didn't realise this event was only 2 weeks long, it didn't even dawn on me it would be since everything else seems to be around a month. Thats on me though.

So I started the event a bit late earlier this week and today, after doing a bit of math, I realise now that there is no point to me continuing with it. I'm currently sat on 380 points and right now the best I can manage is 80/100 from the dailys and that takes some decent time and effort. So that means that even if I keep that up, the best I can get is 730 points or there abouts (including the overall ones). I certainly won't hit 900.

That is just not worth the effort. The 300 point bronze rewards are...not much use. The 900 point silver though is a massive jump. 100 Deeds as a returner is a massive boost and the the pells are pretty useful as well. So any single choice from that feels good. Gold..well not hitting that anyway now.

But checking the moogle and the "Overall rewards" category and it's currently only offering 10k EXP? Don't know if that will change but it seems worthless.

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10k exemplar points or 100 job points, neither is like exciting or anything but it does save a fair bit of time, particularly for jobs that are harder to get those things on.

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But checking the moogle and the "Overall rewards" category and it's currently only offering 10k EXP? Don't know if that will change but it seems worthless.

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I saw that too, but the way I read into it was that if you get that option, you can't access any other reward.

Well, at the bottom of the Vana'bout webpage, it says "Once the challenge period is over, you can select a reward based on the number of plaudits you earned by speaking to the Coordinator Moogle in the area listed below". I'm guessing it's those 2 we can't get ye but yeah, i'm guessing it's like the other rewards. 1 only.