Blatant early failure points for new players.

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Bastok Mission 1-3

Collect 5 Fetichism parts

The main place to farm these is Palsborough mines and Echelon farmers make it near impossible, the cost is also ridiculous at around 30k each.

You are either promoting gil buying or players quitting.

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Windurst mission 3-2

The 3 mage gate requires 3 mages to open or someone with a portal charm.

If players can't get help, they can't get past this mission.

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Bee pollen or Mandragora buds drop rate is way too low.

The drop rate without treasure hunter is ridiculous, it can take 2-3+ hours to get 3 and if it's a couple it can take 4-5. That's too much.

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Players often do the trust initiation quest and never move past it to obtain the others, and so end up trying to solo with 1 trust.

Fixes

1. Add various ??? in Palsborough mines to obtain the 5 pieces when the quest is active.

2. Allow players to obtain a portal charm while the mission is active via the rolanberry quest.

3. Increase the drop rate or lower the requirement to 2.

4. When you finish the trust quest consider it complete in all 3 nations, and give players Naji, Kupipi and Excenmille at the same time. Relying on players understanding RoE to get the RoE trusts doesn't work, I've seen lots of players wandering around with just Excenmille or Naji in dunes.

These are all literally non-issues.

Parts drop fine. AH price is irrelevant.

Portal charm for windurst is obtainable before 3-2. If you had even bothered checking you'd see this.

Pollen and Dew drop is not bad.

Players not obtaining other trusts is not only a non-issue, but irrelevant.

The parts do drop fine but there is almost always someone farming them on Asura because they linked these items to shields.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if you are on the mission you can't do it.

It's annoying and worse if a couple are doing it.

I've seen many players with one trust at level 20 plus, why should windurst get a healer trust and sandoria not. Makes no sense at all.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

The parts do drop fine but there is almost always someone farming them on Asura because they linked these items to shields.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if you are on the mission you can't do it.

It's annoying and worse if a couple are doing it.

I've seen many players with one trust at level 20 plus, why should windurst get a healer trust and sandoria not. Makes no sense at all.

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Look, all that matters is calling them blatant failures is simply wrong. I addressed the points already.

I help new players and take notice of them quite a lot, these are the issues they complain about and often quit at.

Again Bee pollen isn't too bad, unless you have a husband and wife needing to farm 6 and it takes approx 20-30 minutes to get 1 without treasure hunter (not counting knowing where the spawns are). It would be simple and productive to lower the requirement from 3 to 2.

I also often see players in dunes or similar with one trust that can't even heal. Why would you add a trust quest and only one region gives you a heal trust.

The quadrav issue is infuriating, I would probably quit there if I was newly starting because it's insanely garbage as a newbie mission. Having to farm 5 separate items is annoying but with level 99s running around killing them for shield crafts it's terrible. The mission can take all day or multiple days.

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

Look, all that matters is calling them blatant failures is simply wrong. I addressed the points already.

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Your opinion, which is not fact.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

Correct me if I'm wrong but if you are on the mission you can't do it.

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Yeah, if I remember right, there is no way to cancel these missions so if one skipped doing the charmy one, they can be stuck without help or starting the Toramarai Turmoil quest, which works around it, but actual new or even older people doing the missions for the first time are prooobably not very likely to bump into that one too easily (unless they search the fansites or something).

And also yeah, it was a bit silly to make the shields require those items...

Agreed on the drop rates on the dew and pollen as well. They're not very good.

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Originally Posted by Immortal

Your opinion, which is not fact.

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While I'll agree that it's not straight-up fact, it's a pretty accurate assessment and I feel like you're pitting yourself against spicy for the sake of doing so.

The three mage door thing isn't a big deal. There's ways around it and passage is only very occasionally needed, so its a stretch to call it a pain point for newcomers when frankly newcomers aren't likely to need to pass it unless they're on the Windy missions, which grant you a way around it.

Drop rate stuff is subjective, but I don't think the items named are particularly problematic either.

The most significant issue that I can see is the sheer amount of bots rampaging through West Ronfaure and back and fourth to the Sparks NPC.

You cannot fight a single monster because they zoom all over the place from mob to mob and kill everything in mass groups.

Not great for returning players.......

https://i.imgur.com/w6IzfzV.jpeg

Then again, people only have themselves to blame for doing things against ToS that encourage the likes of this behaviour to exist.

I never want to see that armor ever again lol

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The most significant issue that I can see is the sheer amount of bots

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You can level just fine, and you move past the early zones pretty quickly.

All games have the exact same problem, it's also rampant on ff14 and they phase under the ground to not be so visible.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

You can level just fine, and you move past the early zones pretty quickly.

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You're missing the point of not just levelling, but the nostalgia aspect.

Solution, don't play on Asura.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

Solution, don't play on Asura.

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No one plays on asura by choice. If you want to be able to buy/sell things, you must play on asura. It's not an option.

Paying money to server transfer to buy gear is not a valid response.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

Solution, don't play on Asura.

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That's not a solution though is it. Of course there are going to be less RMT on Leviathan(?) because there is less of everything.

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Originally Posted by Immortal

Your opinion, which is not fact.

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Lol, obviously. Find a better dig than being a contrarian.

I leveled a character from scratch up to 99 and Bastok rank 6 some time last year on Bahamut. I didn't have trouble with any of the bottlenecks you mention.

The three mage gate you can frequently find help by /yell, or you can ask your linkshell for it. People are pretty eager to help because there are always a lot of bored people waiting for something to do.

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Originally Posted by Tarmarkvar

I leveled a character from scratch up to 99 and Bastok rank 6 some time last year on Bahamut. I didn't have trouble with any of the bottlenecks you mention.

The three mage gate you can frequently find help by /yell, or you can ask your linkshell for it. People are pretty eager to help because there are always a lot of bored people waiting for something to do.

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The thing is, they changed the gates in eldieme and garliage and also allowed players to click a ??? for level 50 cap items.

By doing this they are admitting there is a problem, and so leaving these others makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Uriah

No one plays on asura by choice. If you want to be able to buy/sell things, you must play on asura. It's not an option.

Paying money to server transfer to buy gear is not a valid response.

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Nearly everyone plays on Asura by choice. People buy and sell things all the time on all servers, you don't have to play on Asura to do that. Such a statement can only come from someone who doesn't maintain characters on other servers. The only people who aren't there by choice are the people who created characters at the beginning of the game when you couldn't choose your server.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Nearly everyone plays on Asura by choice. People buy and sell things all the time on all servers, you don't have to play on Asura to do that. Such a statement can only come from someone who doesn't maintain characters on other servers. The only people who aren't there by choice are the people who created characters at the beginning of the game when you couldn't choose your server.

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They are in their own little world. Don't even humor them on such a nonsensical statement.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

The thing is, they changed the gates in eldieme and garliage and also allowed players to click a ??? for level 50 cap items.

By doing this they are admitting there is a problem, and so leaving these others makes no sense.

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This is true

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Originally Posted by Immortal

This is true

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What a massive problem! They should remedy this right away!

Lol

just to humour these...


The latest TVR content addition requires making a relic prime weapon to advance story quest, which requires farming 20k gallies at Sortie, which most have hard time helping due to daily limit entry and forcing player to solo their luck due to majority prefer statics doing Sortie, which are on huge disadvantage if still having bare i119 equips from Ambu.


Imagine that: relic requirement to advance latest story quest. lol


Guess OP would hit major bummer later on since what's being reported would eventually escalates the further its progress goes.


But... as someone who also plays their sibling MMO, say... FF14, I do kinda understand the dilemma since FF11 clearly not gonna hold your hands, albeit they already tried on these past decade, one of them by having trusts implemented for a much friendlier solo venture, albeit game would still benefit from alot of make over like FF14 does. Kinda in similar vein when trying to play other older FF titles as well, in fact.

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Their reports (although about the same two issues constantly on repeat) have an element of truth to them, so I wouldn't say that they are entirely false.

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On a daily basis, he files a report stating that "literally every player" in crawler's nest S or some other zone is a bot. Which is indeed patently false. It only takes one person who isn't a bot to make it a false statement, and if I was on asura I could go there and do whatever and I would get blanket reported by him just for being there even though I'm not doing anything wrong. At the absolute worse there are non-bots benefitting from the bots existence but that doesn't mean they are bots themselves.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

On a daily basis, he files a report stating that "literally every player" in crawler's nest S or some other zone is a bot. Which is indeed patently false. It only takes one person who isn't a bot to make it a false statement, and if I was on asura I could go there and do whatever and I would get blanket reported by him just for being there even though I'm not doing anything wrong. At the absolute worse there are non-bots benefitting from the bots existence but that doesn't mean they are bots themselves.

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It's easy to tell the bots (which for the most part are more than likely not RMT but players) as they either there all day and night repeating actions, or dead.

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

What a massive problem! They should remedy this right away!

Lol

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Doesn't hurt anyone to post it here, your comment just comes across needlessly antagonistic

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Originally Posted by Sirmarki

It's easy to tell the bots (which for the most part are more than likely not RMT but players) as they either there all day and night repeating actions, or dead.

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That's not a guarantee, it takes a ridiculous amount of killing to cap EP, players can be down there for many hours no lifing it, doesn't automatically make them bots. You can't know it without being there, and he doesn't bother going there or searching the area even, he just posts reports.

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Originally Posted by Immortal

Doesn't hurt anyone to post it here, your comment just comes across needlessly antagonistic

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You are not immune to your own criticism.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

That's not a guarantee, it takes a ridiculous amount of killing to cap EP, players can be down there for many hours no lifing it, doesn't automatically make them bots. You can't know it without being there, and he doesn't bother going there or searching the area even, he just posts reports.

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I was refering to my own personal experience when I solo in the Exemplar camps. They are easy to spot. Maybe they should have put a level break system with ML levels as some "players" I don't think have ever left the zones.

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Originally Posted by Sirmarki

I was refering to my own personal experience when I solo in the Exemplar camps. They are easy to spot. Maybe they should have put a level break system with ML levels as some "players" I don't think have ever left the zones.

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I'm not saying there's no bots, there certainly are. I'm just saying not EVERYONE there is bots. Which is what he says in the reports- "everyone in the zone."