How many worry about the path FFXI is on right now?

I myself am worried. Between all these new expansions and updates making things easier and easier while also neglecting some of the issues that matter such as "Updating Old areas to give them new life" and "GMs not bothering to help players IG anymore unless they feel like it" and not to mention the player-base's attitude with each other IG. Most players i see online now at days noob bash every chance they get...refuse to help others...and just down right have no respect for other players in general. My linkshell chat has had more than 20 messages in the past week in it reading"Omg! i'm dead here and this *Insert class with the ability to raise others here* runs right by and does nothing after i send them a tell asking for a raise!" or something similar. and you can't say "well maybe they couldn't?" when most players now at days are wearing their AF3 which is a dead give-away of what job they are playing at that moment. and if they don't have the ability to at least cast Raise 1 they need to be shot on the spot for being an noob and burning their job to 90 without getting ANY of the required spells for their job.

Players invading a party's camp and killing the mobs they are obviously exping with thus reducing the exp flow and refusing to leave when asked nicely. players MPKing other players. ya i've seen it...many of the "new job abilities and spells" have MPK potential. and the GM calls go ignored.

there are many other issues but to get into them would cause yet another troll bait thread so i'm gonna keep those out of this one.

The point of this thread is i am worried about the path FFXI is on as a whole. not just the game itself but the players also. i'd really hate to say it but FFXI at this moment reminds me alot of WoW. not the game itself totally..but the players mostly. the game only reminds me a little bit. At this moment between rude players and updates making this game easier which attracts those types of players...FFXI is gonna go down in flames at this rate unless something is done.

anyone else notice this? or is everyone else blissfully unaware or ignoring it? if your blissfully unaware count yourself lucky...>.>;

Most of your complaints have been issues since CoP came out. I don't see these problems as a new threat that's going to kill FFXI seeing as it hasn't killed it in the past 5 years. Yeah, it sucks when random people in game won't help you out or even show you respect but it's the internet and that type of behavior is common. You'll find nice people as well, just not as many.

What you described could very well just be classified under "Basic Human behavior under effects of anonymity."

when people have no real fear of repercussions, they act a way in which they might not normally act in the real world.

This has been a problem since Day1, Of basically any MMO ever created, or anything ever created where large groups of people interact with Anonymity.

I really hate it, But I don't think its FFXI Centric, So I'm not entire too worried. unfortunately you just can't force everyone to be nice :(

concerned .. yes... worried hmmm.. not sure im worried just yet

Sometimes I can't help but wonder if this isn't seriously just one big experiment Krystal's conducting. Being a psychologist and all, that would be her job; running and analyzing experiments like this. I'm not sure what the heck the premise would be at this point, though. "A treatise on the effects of long-term trolling of an established online community"?

That's actually a great point Greatguardian; that would explain basically every thread that Krystal has made. Maybe we can petition SE to remove her trolling since it's obviously against the ToS.

In all seriousness, I think you're overstating any problem that exists recently, as the "problem" has been around since day 1. If anything people are more willing to cooperate now than ever before because the content itself isn't limited to long respawn timers, and it doesn't lack availability to everyone.

In short, just another "Krystal" thread. Nothing to see here, move along, etc.

I've found people in game to be nicer than ever. Some dude gave me a scorpion harness... like just cause he wasn't using it and I am a BST...

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Originally Posted by Krystal

Players invading a party's camp and killing the mobs they are obviously exping with thus reducing the exp flow and refusing to leave when asked nicely. players MPKing other players. ya i've seen it...many of the "new job abilities and spells" have MPK potential. and the GM calls go ignored.

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That was going on when I first started playing with the NA PS2 release. Shoot, when I started, people would drag an NM to Selbina and zone just to watch it mass rape all the low-levels in the dunes. Please stop using examples of things that have been going on forever and then act like the sky is falling.

Didn't even have to be NMs, could be a few gobs, a bogy or 2, anything. Happened all the time. Wasn't funny back then, but sure is funny looking back at it now, lol.

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"Omg! i'm dead here and this *Insert class with the ability to raise others here* runs right by and does nothing after i send them a tell asking for a raise!"

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Well most people dont need or want raising these days when you can usually get back into what you were doing in less than 5 minutes after a homepoint. Having said that I do try and raise people when I see them dead, if im able, not that you see many corpses littered around the place these days. In fact, with the close proximity of all the content in the current game and the ease at which exp is gained, id say this problem has far less impact than it did 5 years ago. In many cases, hitting the Home Point button becomes the right answer, particularly in Abyss.

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Sometimes I can't help but wonder if this isn't seriously just one big experiment Krystal's conducting.

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Sometimes I wonder if Krystal is actually Krystal, and not just some random asshat trolling us all for a laugh. The quality of the troll is way to high for anyone like rog though.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

Most players i see online now at days noob bash every chance they get...refuse to help others...and just down right have no respect for other players in general. My linkshell chat has had more than 20 messages in the past week in it reading"Omg! i'm dead here and this *Insert class with the ability to raise others here* runs right by and does nothing after i send them a tell asking for a raise!" or something similar. and you can't say "well maybe they couldn't?" when most players now at days are wearing their AF3 which is a dead give-away of what job they are playing at that moment. and if they don't have the ability to at least cast Raise 1 they need to be shot on the spot for being an noob and burning their job to 90 without getting ANY of the required spells for their job.

Players invading a party's camp and killing the mobs they are obviously exping with thus reducing the exp flow and refusing to leave when asked nicely. players MPKing other players. ya i've seen it...many of the "new job abilities and spells" have MPK potential. and the GM calls go ignored.

there are many other issues but to get into them would cause yet another troll bait thread so i'm gonna keep those out of this one.

The point of this thread is i am worried about the path FFXI is on as a whole. not just the game itself but the players also. i'd really hate to say it but FFXI at this moment reminds me alot of WoW. not the game itself totally..but the players mostly. the game only reminds me a little bit. At this moment between rude players and updates making this game easier which attracts those types of players...FFXI is gonna go down in flames at this rate unless something is done.

anyone else notice this? or is everyone else blissfully unaware or ignoring it? if your blissfully unaware count yourself lucky...>.>;

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I think you're wrongfully accusing the player base as a whole on these problems. For every person you see be an ass there's probably 20 others who aren't. They're never noticed because the asses are vocal because they need attention.

As far as the bit about raising goes, it's not another players duty to fix your mistake. Why are people obligated to raise you outside of group activities? It reminds me of the shout match in Jeuno the other day. People couldn't shut up about paying for warrior cleave, like it's a warriors duty to PL your butt for free and for as long as you need them to. Then there's the whole lame argument about leeches making poor players yet somehow the Abyssea alliance exp doesn't, but I won't get into that non sense.

My view of raising is simple. If you can't be bothered to use RR then I can't be bothered to raise you. Sometimes that means people get shafted when they are using RR but died as soon as they got up, but such a thing is so rare to happen outside of group activities that I am not going to assume you got shafted. There's so many ways to get it now that it's inexcusable not to have it, and I suspect I'll get hit by lightning before I pass someone who needs raise because they died after getting up from RR. If all I ever do is raise you then you'll never bother with using RR, and will start to grow dependent on a raise.

Nothing irritates me more than having someone beg for raise because they screwed up and they want YOU to take a time out from what YOU are doing to FIX it. No thanks. I'll raise you if I feel like it. If I don't, don't take it personally and bad mouth me behind my back. Learn to use RERAISE. Everytime I forget and often I do, I homepoint my butt because it's what I deserve for forgetting. I expect nothing less of everyone else.

RR scroll. RR FoV. RR earring. RR2 neck. RR heart rod 24 hour. RR heart rod 10 charges. RR3 rod. RR spell. RR2 spell. RR3 spell. Bard RR song. Scapegoat RR. RR med. RR2 med. RR3 med. That's all I can think of off the top of my head and there may very well be more.

Lastly, I imagine the reason GMs started using auto response and such is because 1)some probably moved to FFXIV, and if not then 2)they got tired of dealing with crap from players. Crap like people thinking it's funny to waste a GMs and everyone else's time by faking a call only to ask them a stupid pointless question. I can't imagine them ignoring legit calls to solve a positioning problem and such which is basically their #1 job for the game, is to fix stuff when things go wrong with #2 being to enforce the law like dealing with disruptive behavior. Everything else is pretty much a waste of their time.

Ohai, Krystal!

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Most players i see online now at days noob bash every chance they get...refuse to help others...and just down right have no respect for other players in general. My linkshell chat has had more than 20 messages in the past week in it reading"Omg! i'm dead here and this *Insert class with the ability to raise others here* runs right by and does nothing after i send them a tell asking for a raise!" or something similar. and you can't say "well maybe they couldn't?" when most players now at days are wearing their AF3 which is a dead give-away of what job they are playing at that moment. and if they don't have the ability to at least cast Raise 1 they need to be shot on the spot for being an noob and burning their job to 90 without getting ANY of the required spells for their job.

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Iunno what population you're seeing... might just be your server. Honestly, the majority of people I talk to are generally well-mannered and get along well. I've had a few idiots, like those who like to shout completely incorrect information and lash out when corrected politely, but for the most part there's not a lot of "noob bashing" going on.

As for raises, it was already stated - there are a lot of ways of having RR up that if you do not have one, it is your fault. You shouldn't expect people to stop for you and raise you when you're the one who made the mistake. Besides which, it is easy to suck up the small EXP loss and take the 5 minutes to get back to where you were; honestly you'd probably spend more time complaining and/or begging for a Raise and then waiting for weakness to wear off. Mistakes happen, move on with life.

Also, shoot people on the spot? Now we're begging favors off of CORs or RNGs too as well as asking for Raises. =(

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Players invading a party's camp and killing the mobs they are obviously exping with thus reducing the exp flow and refusing to leave when asked nicely.

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Yellow is fair game. It's not polite etiquette, I agree, and most people will frown upon it, but at the same time no one gives you the divine right to those mobs at that camp. Learn to share, and if you don't like it? Simply go elsewhere. They have just as much right as you do.

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players MPKing other players. ya i've seen it...many of the "new job abilities and spells" have MPK potential. and the GM calls go ignored.

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Do tell how they have MPK potential. Impetus, Despoil, Blood Rage, T2-circle JAs, etc... I see no MPK potential. I'm curious to see how they'd do it now, please enlighten me.

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The point of this thread is i am worried about the path FFXI is on as a whole. not just the game itself but the players also. i'd really hate to say it but FFXI at this moment reminds me alot of WoW. not the game itself totally..but the players mostly. the game only reminds me a little bit. At this moment between rude players and updates making this game easier which attracts those types of players...FFXI is gonna go down in flames at this rate unless something is done.

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Let me sum this up for you:

ITT: Welcome to MMO gaming.

Internet anonymity, etc.

"As long as their are people to play FFXI we will continue to support it." The End?

Why do you guys bash Krystal so much don't you know she's our savior here to save us from the evils of abyssea.

Not worried at all?

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GMs not bothering to help players IG anymore unless they feel like it

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Where in the world did you get this idea? I submitted a lost item report, a GM responded to my call within 2 minutes, I decided during the ocnversation not to have an item restoral (since its 1 time per account unless due to a bug). A few days later, a GM sent me a tell otu of nowhere to follow up on my original request- i explained I changed my mind about it, but he was able to confirm that I did accidentally drop the item. After that, he (SGM Emdub) appeared in front of me in port jeuno and waved/saluted at me then disappeared.

They don't just help people if they feel like it. They help people however they can within the rules that govern their involvement.

Most of the other issues in your post aren't issues either. Please, stop making these trollbait topics. (Taking a controversial viewpoint of something that isn't a problem is just asking for being trolled. By inviting trolling, you yourself are a troll).

Players have always been greedy after gear, thus why there has always been LS drama. Sure, new players who might've just gotten their first highest lvl job or close to that are more likely to help out since they're new to the game so everything in the game excites them while veterans want to become more and more powerful on their characters.

I've heard about other players go through the things you mentioned and also witnessed some of it on my LS, but fortunately for myself I have a lot of helpful friends and even some on my LS who will help me out when I ask and in turn I help them out too if they need it so it's a fair trade off. If you initially make the move to help others out, they in turn most likely will help you out. I'm not saying everyone will help you back, in fact, maybe only 10% of those people you've helped may help you back as most people have their own agendas and goals in the game, so patience is required in this game just how it used to take longer to obtain things. If you are veteran of FFXI you learn to have this patience to wait for people to help you and the patience to help them as you build a relationship with certain people.

Fortunately, most things in FFXI can be solo'd, duo'd, trio'd so not a whole lot of help is needed for much unless you want to tackle a tough NM with a whole alliance or if it's an atma/piece of gear many want. I personally like all the new changes that have been done to the game to make it slightly easier. Accomplishing more in a short time makes the game more enjoyable too rather than accomplishing something maybe once a week or once a month. While playing the game for 6-7 years I've seen how long it can take to get something and back then I didn't even want to join anything end game because that length to obtain a piece of gear turned me off, so I enjoyed doing my own things in game with whoever I can find wanting to join me.

People ingame haven't changed a whole lot. There's still the idiots and there's still the good players. I guess it depends on who you encounter and play with.

This one homeboy shouted in Port Jeuno for Atma of the Razed Ruins.

Gathered up an entire alliance of people and told us all to just sit there and do nothing. Next thing I know I see some funky floating heads, bursts of lightning, and a cape dropping that we couldn't lot.

What were you saying again about player bashing and stuff Krystal?

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I am worried that we are going to leave the choose your own augment and atma world that was the best that ever happened, and return to junk like Fafnir, generic mix armors, WAR+RDM+BRD only parties, etc.

So yea, worried that the game will swing back on the old bad path, not continuing with the good things.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Most of the other issues in your post aren't issues either. Please, stop making these trollbait topics. (Taking a controversial viewpoint of something that isn't a problem is just asking for being trolled. By inviting trolling, you yourself are a troll).

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If i wanted to make a troll bait thread i would have made another abyssea thread...>.>

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Originally Posted by Krystal

If i wanted to make a troll bait thread i would have made a thread...>.>

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Fixed That For You

You now... i read this topic title and instantly assumed rog was behind it. For some reason Krys escaped my radar xD

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Originally Posted by hiko

Fixed That For You

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oh wait...let me think here...oh who was it..........umm...ah hell..i'll just mimic him...XD

"DON'T MISQUOTE ME! I'LL REPORT YOU!!!!111!!"

lmao.....anyways your post was good for a laugh.:P

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Originally Posted by Krystal

oh wait...let me think here...oh who was it..........umm...ah hell..i'll just mimic him...XD

"DON'T MISQUOTE ME! I'LL REPORT YOU!!!!111!!"

lmao.....anyways your post was good for a laugh.:P

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Krystal, How Old are you? I'm sorry to say but for a "Psychologist"(Am i getting that right?) You're acting incredibly Childish.

Your sig is just proof of this. When confronted with a opposition you resort to "FINE LOL I DONT CARE I DO WHAT I WANT" type of attitude? Even i stopped that when i was 12. The best solution to a problem is to correct those who are misinformed about it.

If you want people to stop thinking You're a troll, Don't give them a reason too. When making a thread address a point in a coherent manner. Never post while angry cause it'll look bad. Trust me when i say if you post angry your thoughts never come out right :\.

Look at Hordecore, Eventually everyone began calling him out of being a horrendous troll, But He's stopped making threads now and started actually responding in them, mostly coherently. I still think he's probably a troll from FFXIAH, but at the same time He's trying to break the Stigma.

You should start by removing the childish sig, And attempting to act like You're not a troll. If your intent was truly never to troll, Eventually people will understand and see that. Then you should continue by not making so many threads that only complain or invite negativity.

Becoming the very thing you are being accused of is never the right answer, any "Psychologist" should know this.

Krystal has a point but its ot the game's fault, its the playerbase and its not something post-abyssea, it was going like taht before that

People didnt want to help you with stuff before the easy exp and level cap remove on missions, everyone is always trying to get something for themselves as a priority.

Not much to say, its all cuz the players, the easier content just emphatized the "go solo it" attitude and the not helping someone fallen is more in the lines of that exp comes easy nowdays, taht ermoved the sense of danger on the players too, and lost respect for the areas with mobs that can hand your arse to you.

Again its not the games fault as much as the players, and all this elitist attutude towards n00bs is just making it worse, instead of trying to help those noobs to understand theri job and helping them, you are expecting to get help from them first... so before you point fingers at some people without X or Y spell, take notice that not everyone learns their job the same and not everyine has the time/gil to get all the spells,and even if you have the gil, most spells are not even in AH most of the time... same can be said on gear, and other suff.

So, if you want to change anything, start helping otheres yourself, insted of complainging about noobs, take one under your wing and un-noob him/her, help make vanadiel a better place and this forum less spammed....

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You now... i read this topic title and instantly assumed rog was behind it. For some reason Krys escaped my radar xD

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Krystals Avatar... Rogs Avatar...Krystals Avatar... Rogs Avatar... hmmm

I was going to type a serious response but I realized that I'd be wasting my time since Krystal considers anything that opposes her narrow minded world view or counters her illogical statements to be "trolling her". There is absolutely nothing wrong with the direction the game is heading, and it is more enjoyable than it has been in years.

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Originally Posted by azjazo

Again its not the games fault as much as the players, and all this elitist attutude towards n00bs is just making it worse, instead of trying to help those noobs to understand theri job and helping them, you are expecting to get help from them first... so before you point fingers at some people without X or Y spell, take notice that not everyone learns their job the same and not everyine has the time/gil to get all the spells,and even if you have the gil, most spells are not even in AH most of the time... same can be said on gear, and other suff.

So, if you want to change anything, start helping otheres yourself, insted of complainging about noobs, take one under your wing and un-noob him/her, help make vanadiel a better place and this forum less spammed....

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I completely Agree with your points. There is one thing i want to mention though :)! (BTW i use the term "You" alot im not directly refering to "you" im refering to "You" as a general term for players doing such act)

I have tried, on HUNDREDS of separate occasions to not only NICELY, but Calmly offer Advice on how to gear, how to farm, how to improve etc to "noobs" and over-all Less than okay players, and have been met with almost nothing short of "F*ck you elitist" or "I'll play how i want", etc.

You cannot blame some people who just stop trying. I have no offered my Advice to new players because everyone always is like "I'm right. Shut up. Stop offering advice i know what im doing" etc etc.

The other day i was exping in Abyssea. I was with someone who said this "Don't open Gold Light or Silver light boxes, They increase the rate in which Blue-Exp/Cruor boxes appear"

to which i said

"Thats not true. Gold/Silver light only helps build Exp/Cruor from Enemies. It won't Impact Blue Chests"

To which i got

"I know what im talking about, Shut up, I'm right if you don't like it disband" - I'm paraphrasing, But this is what i was told.

Helping players try to understand mechanics of the game, no matter how nicely you say it, RARELY works. You'll occasionally get that 1 player who listens, but 99% of them are just hateful ignorant people who take any advice as criticism and just scream "Elitist".

So don't blame "Elitist" on how the game has turned out, Blame all those "noobs" who refuse help and ignore evidence just as much as those Extreme-Elitists who insult at the slightest gimp-item.

Your post sounds very whinny OP. You really shouldn't be so concerned with what other people think, you will feal much better when you stop caring about what other people think or do in a MMO.

Does this sound familiar to you? You are in a Linkshell they do nothing but comment on how bad everyone else is and how they are such a noob and our linkshell is so much better, *instert rival Linkshlll here* members might have X gear but they are bad since they got no skill ect.

From what I seen a majority of FFXI linkshells love to bad mouth other players who aren't in their own linkshell, infact I seen it in almost every MMO. People are automatically bad unless they are in your linkshell or guild.