The "Good" trusts, when will they be available again

Let me preface this by saving, there's no point in saying "X trust is good not bad etc".

Of the 100~ trusts, only about 15 are even worth having, but those few are so rarely available, I constantly miss them.

Could you *possibly* stop screwing around and just make them ALL available for once? This months login was pretty decent, but only 2 of the 15 good ones was available.

For reference, a "good" trust equates to GEO/RDM/COR trusts. And Shantotto II... and the non-unity Aldo would be appreciated too.

(Moogle, Sakura, Koru, KoH, Qultada, Kupofried, Amchuchu, Aldo)

I think Kuro is available via a few simple ROE quests?

I could be wrong...

Of course he isn't, he's the BEST trust, they keep purposely not making him available.

(unless they added it, I did quit for almost 2 years)

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Originally Posted by Vae

Of course he isn't, he's the BEST trust, they keep purposely not making him available.

(unless they added it, I did quit for almost 2 years)

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If you've recently returned from a two year break then quite a bit's been added/changed. Koru-Moru is indeed available at all times via Records of Eminence under Tutorial -> Intermediate, he's offered as a reward for "Always Stand on 117" which is the fifth in that category of quests.

Well thats cool, I'm glad they added him after I bitched about it last year: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ust-RDMs/page2

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings, everyone!

We’ll be looking into different avenues to obtain Koru-Moru moving forward so you can get more of that Refresh love.

In regards to Qultada and Kupofried, since both of these alter egos have special traits that directly increase the amount of experience points you can gain, we plan on maintaining their current rarity of appearance.

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Making 1/15 good trusts 100% available is a start, but how bout the rest.

I'm pretty sure that the only time-limited/campaign ones that I see used frequently, or use myself, would be Moogle, Sakura (only for soloing) and Amchuchu. Plus maybe KoH when I'm on BLU because sometimes I'd like to not have Battery Charge set and I haven't found any other Trusts who will give me Refresh -_-;; (Please fix this SE.. Blue Mage should qualify as a viable target for Refresh.) The majority of the most useful trusts are quest/mission rewards tbh.

I think it would be nice if Moogle and Sakura were made permanently available, especially for new characters. Just add them to FoV books for purchase.
Amchuchu I think would be better as a quest reward.. maybe added to the 2nd-to-last quest in the the Vegetable Vegetable Revolution quest chain?

Excellent follow up finally giving 4 of the rest of the Good Trusts.

KoH Sakura Qultada and Amchuchu 10/1-10/31

Now, you just need to fix the last couple and stop hiding them. Aldo Moogle Fablinix Kupofried SHANTOTO II

They aren't hiding anything they come at certain times of the year. If you miss em then you gotta wait like everyone else had to.

Yeah but see thats retarded. Trusts should be available all the time. They're literally hidden behind a pay wall.

If a new player starts they're penalized because they have to wait months.

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Originally Posted by Vae

Yeah but see thats retarded. Trusts should be available all the time. They're literally hidden behind a pay wall.

If a new player starts they're penalized because they have to wait months.

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But in the same breath, they are intended as gifts for your loyalty, new players are gifted plenty of stuff themselves that older players don't get unless they buy the game again, in this way at least they are thanking current customers and not just giving loads of free stuff to new players like most companies do.

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Originally Posted by Jakuk

But in the same breath, they are intended as gifts for your loyalty, new players are gifted plenty of stuff themselves that older players don't get unless they buy the game again, in this way at least they are thanking current customers and not just giving loads of free stuff to new players like most companies do.

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Trusts aren't exactly free when they're locked behind quests and that's what I think should be the case for all of them, so that if you happen to be too busy to play one month or just came back to/started the game you won't have to wait 6 more months to get the ones you're missing. There are hundreds of quests/missions already in place with little to no rewards offered for their completion, wouldn't be all that hard to tie the limited time offer trusts to some of them.

Other than Aldo and Fablinix (which I don't have, since they seem to have been a one-time release,) I'm pretty sure that every other limited-time trust is made available at least 1-2x per year. You can't really call it a "paywall" if they are made available on a predictable, publicly known schedule. The long waits between releases may be an "inconvenience", but it's not like they cost extra money above the normal monthly subscription.

Someone please, do correct me if I am mistaken about extravaganza's and seasonal events having set-in-stone lists of available trusts? ^^;; That is my understanding at least.

If I am right, then at least Kupofried should be available next month. ^^ (As a reward from the Moogles vs Dragons event, and hopefully the 119 Bahamut fight will be back as well from last November.)

The October log-in once again has no trust. When is Shantoto II going to come up again?

She is LITERALLY the ffxi MASCOT and you only make her available once or twice a year? (shantoto I is terrible btw)

It'll be a year since Shantotto II was introduced next month and a year since the last time transfer fees got cut in half, too, so hopefully they'll both make a comeback in November.

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

....and a year since the last time transfer fees got cut in half, too, so hopefully they'll both make a comeback in November.

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Yep, and we know where everyone will be heading then..

Ok seriously this is "nice"

Cipher: Zeid Cipher: Lion Cipher: Naja
Cipher: Lehko Cipher: Luzaf Cipher: Najelith Cipher: Domina
Cipher: S. Sibyl Cipher: Karaha Cipher: Areuhat Cipher: Uka
Cipher: Kuyin Cipher: Abenzio Cipher: Rughadjeen Cipher: Lhe
Cipher: Mayakov Cipher: Brygid Cipher: Mildaurion Cipher: Rongelouts
Cipher: Robel-Akbel Cipher: Ullegore Cipher: Teodor Cipher: Darrcuiln

BUT I WANT THESE:
Aldo • Babban • Fablinix • Kupofried • Moogle

At SOME POINT I think it's reasonable to make these ALL available again. Why is there no 2nd chance to get them. Seriously. Gold pells don't cover all 5. Just do the mogs vs gobs event again, that one was actually fun.

They are available during the alter ego events you will have to wait till then.

Those 5 have never been available outside the Mogs vs Gobs event. and the "tag??" game that everyone hacked in the starter cities.

I don't even know when or how kupofried was available, i quit for 16 months when they made him. pells are not a good enough response. Unless they give out 5.

To my knowledge, those particular 5 have only ever been made available one time, in 3 years. And a second time via Red pell in winter 2014. Even if you double that, it's still unacceptable. http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Mog_Pell_(Red)

No red pell was given in 2016.

Moogle, Fablinix, Aldo: http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/A..._Campaign_2014 That's literally(?) the only time?

Kupofried was available from the Bahamut event Nov 2015.
They did give out red pells last Jan, that's how I got my Moogle. :x
Sunshine Seekers was not hackable, but was doable earlier this year as well.

Fablinix and Aldo though have not been available at all (outside of Red Pell) since at least Aug 2015 (since that was when I returned and restarted.)

There's no problem with having seasonal event tie-ins.

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Originally Posted by Vae

Those 5 have never been available outside the Mogs vs Gobs event. and the "tag??" game that everyone hacked in the starter cities.

I don't even know when or how kupofried was available, i quit for 16 months when they made him. pells are not a good enough response. Unless they give out 5.

To my knowledge, those particular 5 have only ever been made available one time, in 3 years. And a second time via Red pell in winter 2014. Even if you double that, it's still unacceptable. http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Mog_Pell_(Red)

No red pell was given in 2016.

Moogle, Fablinix, Aldo: http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/A..._Campaign_2014 That's literally(?) the only time?

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Kupofried is literally available in each, yearly, Adventurer Appreciation campaign by talking to the Kupo, or, more recently, in the "events" active during it, this was available May 2016 from the same place as the following trusts in my lower paragraph.

Cipher: Moogle, Cipher: Fablinix, Cipher: Aldo was available from the Chest in the Cities in the May 2016 campaign (same one you got the CP bonus clock)

I wasn't there for any of that, and I won't be there the next random time they do it either.

Good to know though.

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Originally Posted by Vae

I wasn't there for any of that, and I won't be there the next random time they do it either.

Good to know though.

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That's fair enough, just really letting those that will know that they're usually during said campaign rather consistently.

Stop this awful "limited/temporary content" scheme.

It doesn't belong in gaming.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlko

There's no problem with having seasonal event tie-ins.

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Can people stop defending horrible design decisions? My god, stop letting developers do bad things.

SEASONAL content should only give COSMETICS and FUN items, never items that give you POWER or CHARACTER PROGRESSION. Trusts are PLAYER POWER. They need to be available EVERY SINGLE DAY.

If we continue along this path, we'll be getting "Seasonal" ultimate weapons and armors..oh wait ambuscade has armors already. Ultimate weapons up next!

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Stop this awful "limited/temporary content" scheme.

It doesn't belong in gaming.


Can people stop defending horrible design decisions? My god, stop letting developers do bad things.

SEASONAL content should only give COSMETICS and FUN items, never items that give you POWER or CHARACTER PROGRESSION. Trusts are PLAYER POWER. They need to be available EVERY SINGLE DAY.

If we continue along this path, we'll be getting "Seasonal" ultimate weapons and armors..oh wait ambuscade has armors already. Ultimate weapons up next!

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I like seasonal/scheduled events and rewards. Just because you don't like that model does not make it horrible design. ^^

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Originally Posted by Nyarlko

I like seasonal/scheduled events and rewards. Just because you don't like that model does not make it horrible design. ^^

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It is poor design - from a player's perspective - because the playing field is no longer leveled. Someone with the benefit of having been around during a campaign that offered gear/trusts/whatever is going to have more options available to them than a player that missed out on that campaign. Those of us that login every day already have a huge advantage over those that do not, no reason to exacerbate that divide.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlko

I like seasonal/scheduled events and rewards. Just because you don't like that model does not make it horrible design. ^^

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I don't understand why ANYONE would like this.
As explained in Diavolo's post above, it's downright awful for the players of the game.

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

It is poor design - from a player's perspective - because the playing field is no longer leveled. Someone with the benefit of having been around during a campaign that offered gear/trusts/whatever is going to have more options available to them than a player that missed out on that campaign. Those of us that login every day already have a huge advantage over those that do not, no reason to exacerbate that divide.

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The thing is, that's nothing new. The vast majority of seasonal events have been on a predictable schedule for years. The trusts/ciphers that got tied to them are also predictable. If you don't login during December, you can't get the Santa outfit. If you don't login during August, you can't get the Mumor trust. There is no real difference in the logic behind that. If you want the reward, then pay your sub and login to get it.

Even non-timed content has issues with latecomers having difficulty completing it due to everyone else having completed it. I was working on my Aeonic 4 days after ROV Ch3 was released because everyone needed it done and I could easily find a group for the last fight. If you are trying to get it done now, it will be a lot harder to find help than it was when the content was new. I've been back since August of last year and still have yet to step into a normal Skirmish for that reason.

Players who've been around for a while will naturally have advantages over those who have not. Not missing login campaigns, seasonal rewards, or extravaganzas SHOULD benefit those who were there for them. I had to unsub last May, so I missed the rewards (including Trusts that I need to complete my collection) but I'm not going to blame the design for that. I'm looking forward to next May when I can finally get them.

The monthly things give at least some of us something to look forward to in-game, and gives everyone additional reasons to continue to pay for the privilege of logging in, especially now that we are in an era where the devs are not going to be able to provide tons of 100% new battle content on a frequent basis.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlko

The thing is, that's nothing new. The vast majority of seasonal events have been on a predictable schedule for years. The trusts/ciphers that got tied to them are also predictable. If you don't login during December, you can't get the Santa outfit. If you don't login during August, you can't get the Mumor trust. There is no real difference in the logic behind that. If you want the reward, then pay your sub and login to get it.

Even non-timed content has issues with latecomers having difficulty completing it due to everyone else having completed it. I was working on my Aeonic 4 days after ROV Ch3 was released because everyone needed it done and I could easily find a group for the last fight. If you are trying to get it done now, it will be a lot harder to find help than it was when the content was new. I've been back since August of last year and still have yet to step into a normal Skirmish for that reason.

Players who've been around for a while will naturally have advantages over those who have not. Not missing login campaigns, seasonal rewards, or extravaganzas SHOULD benefit those who were there for them. I had to unsub last May, so I missed the rewards (including Trusts that I need to complete my collection) but I'm not going to blame the design for that. I'm looking forward to next May when I can finally get them.

The monthly things give at least some of us something to look forward to in-game, and gives everyone additional reasons to continue to pay for the privilege of logging in, especially now that we are in an era where the devs are not going to be able to provide tons of 100% new battle content on a frequent basis.

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Apparently, they are against SE rewarding the paying customers. Guess that's why so many companies screw over long term customers and only "gift" new customers stuff while loyalty is rewarded with nothing but price rises, it's how people want it.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlko

The thing is, that's nothing new. The vast majority of seasonal events have been on a predictable schedule for years. The trusts/ciphers that got tied to them are also predictable. If you don't login during December, you can't get the Santa outfit. If you don't login during August, you can't get the Mumor trust. There is no real difference in the logic behind that. If you want the reward, then pay your sub and login to get it.

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It is relatively new, actually - this never happened in Seekers of Adoulin and everything prior to that. The fact that they added one of the more all-around useful trusts in Koru-Moru to a simple Records of Eminence quest shows that they knew locking him behind time-sensitive campaigns put a lot of players at a disadvantage.

I have every trust. I have every mount. I have afterglowed weapons that I otherwise wouldn't thanks to some of those campaigns, but that doesn't mean I think all is right with the game. I find it would be a lot more beneficial if I could tell a friend to login and go quest Shantotto II to help them XP/CP/quest rather than saying "Wait until summer/winter/whatever for Campaign X." The way the game has been managed in recent years is more welcoming in a lot of ways, no doubt, but it has its fair share of drawbacks, too, and this is one of them. I'm all for earning your rewards on your own time, even those that merely require a few minutes of your time, not simply logging in during the right week/month and snatching it up via some moogle or goblin only to have it disappear for half a year or more.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlko

Even non-timed content has issues with latecomers having difficulty completing it due to everyone else having completed it. I was working on my Aeonic 4 days after ROV Ch3 was released because everyone needed it done and I could easily find a group for the last fight. If you are trying to get it done now, it will be a lot harder to find help than it was when the content was new. I've been back since August of last year and still have yet to step into a normal Skirmish for that reason.

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I'm not sure I can get behind that one. I completed Rhapsodies of Vanadiel on a 99 MNK mule the day the third chapter went live using mostly garbage gear I bought off the AH to get it to ilvl 118, not a single merit or job point to its name, and far from having capped skills of any sort. Iroha can carry that fight long enough for you to recover from weakened state while you resummon trusts and have them engage. Or you can shout for help if you're on Asura or Odin (like everyone should be) and have the fight cleared within a few minutes by an end game player with some free time on their hands. Skirmish is very easy to solo on a fresh character, too.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlko

Players who've been around for a while will naturally have advantages over those who have not. Not missing login campaigns, seasonal rewards, or extravaganzas SHOULD benefit those who were there for them.

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Yes, it should, as long as those rewards do not provide advantages over players that missed them. I mean, I can run around dressed as Santa and joke that it's Christmas in summer if I want because I took the time to do the seasonal event, or swing a level 1 weapon that makes funny sound effects, but that should be the extent of it, level 1 costumes that can be used to have a little fun, not lvl 119 trusts that will blow lvl 125 NMs out of the water. If I were to see everyone around me making short work of content I was having trouble with because I don't have access to the trusts they were using I'd feel like I missed the boat and might be inclined to just come back when they were made available again, assuming I haven't completely lost interest in the meantime.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlko

The monthly things give at least some of us something to look forward to in-game, and gives everyone additional reasons to continue to pay for the privilege of logging in, especially now that we are in an era where the devs are not going to be able to provide tons of 100% new battle content on a frequent basis.

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We have enough to look forward to every month without a plethora of campaigns: more Aeonic runs, more Ambuscade, more Omen, more time ripping off lazy people with too much gil in their pockets, more laughs with linkshell mates/friends, more trolling in /yell, more time working on crafts or getting new jobs to Master. I can keep going, but you get the idea. If monthly campaigns are really the deciding factor on whether you resubscribe every month then I'd argue the game has already lost you.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlko

The thing is, that's nothing new. The vast majority of seasonal events have been on a predictable schedule for years. The trusts/ciphers that got tied to them are also predictable. If you don't login during December, you can't get the Santa outfit. If you don't login during August, you can't get the Mumor trust. There is no real difference in the logic behind that. If you want the reward, then pay your sub and login to get it.

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Are you SERIOUSLY comparing VANITY and COSMETIC items that give ZERO PLAYER POWER to trusts which give PLAYER POWER?

Hello?

To add to this, trusts are new and them being a reward is relatively new as well.

See some people understand, and some don't. It's pretty simple. Yeah you CHOOSE to pay for (insert months item here) or not. But That's a really shit tactic to keep me subbed.

What happens when they make a trust that's actually really good, let's say an exact clone of your account. But you can only have it if you live in Japan.

Yeah, you can move to Japan, that's your choice. But it's pretty stupid right? Yeah, same logic.

If they can't entice you to stay subbed, why be punished for it? It's their fault not ours.

Trust is not a reward. It's not a privilege. It's standard.

And forget a new player starting, there's no good tank available at all. You can't get EV. You can't get August. You can't get Gessho. You can't Ovjang. You can't get Amchuchu. That's absolute nonsense.

Tank trusts are completely and utterly useless anytime I use one. I have no idea how anyone makes any use of them, I pull hate the second I use a weapon skill.

I have gessho and ovjang.

You have to play to their style.

Those 2 are the "worst" enmity tanks. Trust setups only really work when you're the mage or the tank or can force hate onto EV/August via Trick.

(and why is that? cause trusts are terrible and have no enmity+ GEAR, no haste+ GEAR, and tbh no stp GEAR)

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Are you SERIOUSLY comparing VANITY and COSMETIC items that give ZERO PLAYER POWER to trusts which give PLAYER POWER?

Hello?

To add to this, trusts are new and them being a reward is relatively new as well.

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They're at least 2.5yrs old, which is forever ago for most games. That really can't be called "new". The nature and impact for the vast majority of seasonal ciphers is roughly that of seasonal gear nowadays, which is not much. (I remember in the old days, the xmas equip that increased sneak/invis duration was a BIG DEAL when it was first added. XD)

I mean seriously, how often does anyone actually use the goobue at all, much less regularly? >_> How many of the 1-2x a year seasonal trusts are actually toptier for their job/role and are going to see regular use? Any non-login ones besides Moogle/Kupofried? (Genuine question, I really can't think of any others :/) How much "PLAYER POWER" do you gain from something that is no longer used the moment you have ANY other options?

As far as I can tell, the vast majority of ciphers are made available ~4x per year. The extravaganzas are on set schedules w/ set rewards. The login point ones seem to be pretty random, but I could swear that even Shan2 was available at least +2x since she was introduced a year ago. If it was a total of less than 3x, then I'm not sure how I've been able to grab the cipher on all my mules which have been created at different times. O_o;; An average of a 3-4mon of wait-time as a worst case scenario for a new character to get a certain trust simply does not bother me. Probably has something to do with how the overwhelming majority of trusts commonly used in ilvl stuff are mission related, freebies from RoE or the quarterly extravaganzas.

Outside of Kupofried (who the devs are already on record that they absolutely intend to keep limited to 1-2x per year due to his unique ability and wanting to keep him special,) which other trusts are you upset about that are not regularly available and are going to see regular use?

amchuchu, seasonal, best situational tank

Qultada, seasonal, ONLY cor

Aldo, seasonal (yearly) BEST thf trust.

Shantoto II, seasonal, best BLM

Sybil, seasonal, BEST Geo. (not counting moogle and kupofried)

KoH, seasonal, BEST RDM!

Mumor, seasonal, BEST dnc.

Karaha, seasonal, best not-unity healer. only smn, BEST by default (maybe log in, but rare)

ALL THE GOOD TRUSTS ARE SEASONAL.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlko

Outside of Kupofried (who the devs are already on record that they absolutely intend to keep limited to 1-2x per year due to his unique ability and wanting to keep him special,) which other trusts are you upset about that are not regularly available and are going to see regular use?

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That's a curious stance to take on limited time rewards, downplaying their significance. If you're going to argue that they have little to no practical use, which I would definitely argue as Shantotto II and Amchuchu are still on that list, then couldn't the same argument be made in favor of making them permanent rewards? Someone paying for monthly campaigns/rewards won't feel like they lost any value in their subscription if that monthly reward was useless.

There have been plenty of situations where the long list of competent trusts at my disposal have allowed me to successfully take out content I would have otherwise failed at or needed much more time to defeat, like soloing Azi/Naga/Quetz pre-nerf, where being able to summon a second set of capable characters because my first set was quickly defeated proved very convenient.

The dev team's primary objective should be updating the game to be as appealing and profitable as possible given the limited resources at their disposal and I firmly believe they wouldn't lose a single subscriber if they were to assign the limited time trusts as permanent rewards to existing quests. I actually think it would do more to help the game's appeal than to hurt it. Mounts, costumes and level 1 weapons (looking at you, Master Trials) make far more sense as limited time rewards or even as money shop items if they're ever able to get such a thing up and running for FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

That's a curious stance to take on limited time rewards, downplaying their significance. If you're going to argue that they have little to no practical use, which I would definitely argue as Shantotto II and Amchuchu are still on that list, then couldn't the same argument be made in favor of making them permanent rewards? Someone paying for monthly campaigns/rewards won't feel like they lost any value in their subscription if that monthly reward was useless.

There have been plenty of situations where the long list of competent trusts at my disposal have allowed me to successfully take out content I would have otherwise failed at or needed much more time to defeat, like soloing Azi/Naga/Quetz pre-nerf, where being able to summon a second set of capable characters because my first set was quickly defeated proved very convenient.

The dev team's primary objective should be updating the game to be as appealing and profitable as possible given the limited resources at their disposal and I firmly believe they wouldn't lose a single subscriber if they were to assign the limited time trusts as permanent rewards to existing quests. I actually think it would do more to help the game's appeal than to hurt it. Mounts, costumes and level 1 weapons (looking at you, Master Trials) make far more sense as limited time rewards or even as money shop items if they're ever able to get such a thing up and running for FFXI.

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I was not downplaying their significance as much as I was asking which ones other players use. It is possible after all that I just have an entirely different playstyle and/or priorities than anyone else posting in this thread. Since I strongly disagree with several of the entries Vae listed as "bests", that's the assumption I'll roll with now. XD
I use Ullegore as often as Shantotto II since he can use Stun and won't interrupt sc, geo spots usually taken by Moogle & Sakura so no room for SS or Kupofried, avoid using KoH if at all possible due to his aoe mb habit thanks to Arciela II / Koru, Mayakov wrecks Mumor on dmg output, and I've never had good results w/ Karaha due to his desire to melee.

Seems that I was mistaken on the extravaganzas, which makes them make more sense to me now. (Always wondered why the repeated the same event 4x a year. :x) There are two different ones (Spring/Autumn & Winter/Summer) so it is up to a 6mon wait if you just barely miss one. So, outside of Kupofried and the handful tied directly to seasonal events (which are the "holiday" events... login/extravaganzas are not "seasonal") the worst we have to wait is 6mon for any specific trust. Still bearable in my opinion, though I know it may feel like an eternity for the impatient. When I came back last year, I just barely missed the Summer Ext. in July, and had to wait til Jan to stock up. Was disappointed when I found out, but not super upset about it. Figured that now that I gave in to the siren's call and came back to FFXI, I'm gonna be in it til servers go down anyway, so 6mon wasn't really that big a deal for me. lol

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I was not downplaying their significance as much as I was asking which ones other players use. It is possible after all that I just have an entirely different playstyle and/or priorities than anyone else posting in this thread. Since I strongly disagree with several of the entries Vae listed as "bests", that's the assumption I'll roll with now. XD
[i]I use Ullegore as often as Shantotto II since he can use Stun and won't interrupt sc, geo spots usually taken by Moogle & Sakura so no room for SS or Kupofried, avoid using KoH if at all possible due to his aoe mb habit thanks to Arciela II / Koru, Mayakov wrecks Mumor on dmg output, and I've never had good results w/ Karaha due to his desire to melee.

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Iroha II, Shantotto II, Ulmia/Joachim/Qultada, Koru-Moru and Yoran-Oran are the ones I default to in most situations. I'll swap one of them out for August/AA EV/Amchuchu if I happen to need a tank or Ullegore/Robel/Zeid II for stuns. I find Kupo's a waste of a slot when I can kill faster with other trusts in his place. If I happen to be XPing a job from 1 to 99 I almost always go with D. Shantotto, Shantotto II, Ullegore, Robel/Mumor II/Kayeel and Apu/Yoran/Karaha and won't even waste my time with anything below VT as they can easily melt mobs 10-15 levels above you, but I tend to swap one or two of those BLMs out for Iroha II and AA GK when I get around level 50 since an SC + MB will take an IT++ mob out in a few seconds.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlko

Seems that I was mistaken on the extravaganzas, which makes them make more sense to me now. (Always wondered why the repeated the same event 4x a year. :x) There are two different ones (Spring/Autumn & Winter/Summer) so it is up to a 6mon wait if you just barely miss one. So, outside of Kupofried and the handful tied directly to seasonal events (which are the "holiday" events... login/extravaganzas are not "seasonal") the worst we have to wait is 6mon for any specific trust. Still bearable in my opinion, though I know it may feel like an eternity for the impatient. When I came back last year, I just barely missed the Summer Ext. in July, and had to wait til Jan to stock up. Was disappointed when I found out, but not super upset about it. Figured that now that I gave in to the siren's call and came back to FFXI, I'm gonna be in it til servers go down anyway, so 6mon wasn't really that big a deal for me. lol

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That's where things differ between those of us logging in daily and the more casual players that might subscribe a few months a year, if that. We're in it for the long haul and log in fairly frequently, if we're short a trust or two it won't be a deal breaker. For someone that doesn't have much time to devote to the game losing out on one of the better trusts can sometimes feel like an insurmountable hurdle when it comes to playing catch up. They get told to do something like collecting a few vorseals by killing some NMs, for example, get told to use August, AA EV or Amchuchu as tanks and when they fail with Gessho or Trion because they don't have access to those three yet things start to look bleak for them.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlko

I was not downplaying their significance as much as I was asking which ones other players use. It is possible after all that I just have an entirely different playstyle and/or priorities than anyone else posting in this thread. Since I strongly disagree with several of the entries Vae listed as "bests", that's the assumption I'll roll with now. XD

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See now, we're talking Fact vs Opinion again. There are sub optimal setups and optimal setups. Math isn't an opinion. Situations aren't opinions either.

It's your opinion, but fact is the ones I listed ARE the best, it's not my opinion that they're best.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlko

till bearable in my opinion, though I know it may feel like an eternity for the impatient. When I came back last year, I just barely missed the Summer Ext. in July, and had to wait til Jan to stock up. Was disappointed when I found out, but not super upset about it. Figured that now that I gave in to the siren's call and came back to FFXI, I'm gonna be in it til servers go down anyway, so 6mon wasn't really that big a deal for me. lol

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It's also not about "bearable" and "tolerable" it's about "fair" and "realistic". It's literally BUYING certain trusts, by being subscribed certain months. If you take a break due to bordem, you get punished. If you get busy/bored the same time every year, you get severely punished.

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Originally Posted by Vae

See now, we're talking Fact vs Opinion again. There are sub optimal setups and optimal setups. Math isn't an opinion. Situations aren't opinions either.

It's your opinion, but fact is the ones I listed ARE the best, it's not my opinion that they're best.

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Not fact. Those are YOUR opinions. ^^ If you are going to try calling someone else out, please ensure you don't make a hypocrite of yourself while doing so. If I was not direct enough, I was trying to agree to disagree because we obviously have very different playstyles so what is best for me may not be best for you (and vv of course.)

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It's also not about "bearable" and "tolerable" it's about "fair" and "realistic". It's literally BUYING certain trusts, by being subscribed certain months. If you take a break due to bordem, you get punished. If you get busy/bored the same time every year, you get severely punished.

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If you miss buying something during a Black Friday Sale, do you expect to be able to get that product at that price later at your convenience sometime in December? It doesn't really matter why we take a break / unsub for any particular month. SE is a business. If we are not paying customers at the time, we don't get the product offered during that time frame. Makes perfect sense to me.

If getting certain trusts are really important to you, then just make sure you don't miss out next time they roll around. ^^