Thank you soo much for the Magic Burst update a few months ago!

SE, I just started playing on BLM and SCH again a few nights ago. I have to admit that being able to Magic Burst for 25k-50k is just really awesome. I mean, this should have been implemented a long time ago. Battles are a lot quicker and events run smoother with a basic set-up allowing for a few players to tackle difficult content without the need for large groups. And even the most difficult content can be easily done with a set-up that favors back-line mages. I saw a screen-shot of a BLM doing 80k damage points using the Death spell in Sinister Reign. I really want to emulate that kind of damage. BLM/SCH has a lot going for it now more-than-ever. Thank you soo much for the adjustments!!!:o

.... and they say BST is overpowered lol.

Magic bursting is overpowered. All I see now are shouts for blm mb'ing. Magic bursting needs a nerf.

Oh dear, this thread is showing BST up.

The salt is real. XD

Please, lets not get into the any job stronger than a koga samurai needs to be nerfed thing again. Both magic burst strat and BST strat have similar run times on sinister reign and I am still seeing BST setups destroying things in escha. While 2 handers do have a disadvantage compared to all other jobs for most endgame content at the moment I don't think the answer is to nerf things. What I'd really love to see is some sort of melee buff so that current content was more viable for those jobs.

You are wrong. The answer is to nerf things.

As a career ranger I can assure you that's the worst possible answer. T.T

It's Nerf or nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just so you all know SE is to smart for you. They are not going to gimp every job because you're all "Butthurt" on BST(s) update it's quite obvious what you're trying to do it's not going to work, lol I'm really enjoying the amusement of this thread so please keep going! ^.^

I can only hope that eventually they will inexplicably only make spellcasting possible from within 7' of the target and then it'll be your turn to cry foul.

By the way, the only reason this thread is getting the BST attention that it is is because the OP is someone that outwardly supports the BST nerf. Nobody really likes people with a "only my jobs matter, screw everyone else" attitude.

Sinister should not take 3 minutes of magic bursting to complete. There's something wrong there.

Maybe they should make it so that Immanence only works from 7 yalms away. Then later in an update they could add the ability to see how far away Immanence works. /s

All this bitching about the adjustments to Beastmaster is getting REALLY old. Get over it already. Christ... it's just a game. You had your time on the forefront and now it's gone. You people don't need to hijack every damn thread to complain about it.

This has nothing to do with BST, just because OP is outspokenly for the BST nerf doesn't justify coming in a derailing another thread, go back to the threads discussing the nerf itself, present anecdotal evidence why the nerf is bad rather than complaining all the time and maybe the devs might see your side.

And magic bursting really is overpowered. All you need for any content now is a sch, a pld, 3 blms and a geo. Magic burst 99k, wham, bam, thank you man, gimmie my stuff. All other jobs are obsolete.

While I do agree with the fact that MBs are a bit powerful given the complaint of the BST-era (With a nuke party of BLM BLM BLM SCH GEO we were taking things down within 1-2 volleys of nukes, and completely safe and out of range), hijacking a thread is going to hurt our support more than help it. >.> The more people you annoy, the less people you have to agree with the fact that the nerf needs to be revoked or reduced. You all are just shooting yourself in the foot. As a BST myself I'd love to see it undone, but let's not just trash every thread.

Ideally, perhaps MBs could be balanced somewhat; we already have the elemental damage gradual resistance build, but maybe mobs should get something like a Magic Burst Defense trait? Not all of them, no, but perhaps give situations in which DDs are good again. Frontliners have been having it rough for a while now. Of course, if such a thing is implemented, people will probably go back to RNG kills. It's funny how people complain about one job until it gets nerfed down severely, but the same situation of long-range, low-risk damage continues. I only hope that BLM/SCH aren't next on the chopping block. ^^;

I agree that if magic gets nerfed we will likely go back to the RNG strat because they can get more accuracy than your standard melee. If rng gets nerfed we'll go back to throwing THF and BLU at things because they get far more accuracy than 2 handers. None of these outcomes will do anything for BST.

Also, unlike BST the mage strat requires a lot of gear to pull off. If you bring a bad nuker to things you'll be lucky if they break 10k on burst. You'll notice OP was talking about doing 20 - 50k dmg. His gear could use some work. Also the more mages you bring to things currently the worse your return. Really if you bring more than 3 jobs that can nuke you'll see a lot of 10k magic bursts. Pulling off 99k bursts takes buffs from 2 geos and high end gear and it's very rare to see multiple players hit 99k in the same volley.

Eh, I'd like to argue that to play BST equally well you're in a similar boat. When your TP move whiffs instead of hitting during SR, your DPS drops severely. When your move does 3k as opposed to 7k, your DPS drops severely. Etc etc. BST requires good gear, just as a nuker bursting does; we need pet: Attack/Acc, Pet: DA, Pet: DT, Pet: MAB, Pet: Macc, Pet: TP Bonus, etc. Nukers need INT, Magic Burst Damage, MAB, Macc, FC/Recast... etc. They're in similar boats.

As I said, I don't want to hear that BLM/SCH get dropped off of the board again, because the former have been off it for a good while now, however.

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That's a pretty childish response, I'd like to point out that posting in any thread they see fit won't generate the kind of response you want, SE aren't looking at the "Thanks for the magic burst update", "Availability of HMPs, Riftcinders, Riftdross" or "Offhand REM" threads for reaction to the BST nerf, flooding those sorts of threads with your complaints will only annoy other users and most likely lead to bans.

For the record, for all the complaining going on, people are still clearing content with BSTs, it hasn't suddenly become impossible, as for magic bursts being OP, sure they're powerful but that's under a well buffed, well geared party situation, the reason BST got nerfed was they could do all the above solo, with no help, sure they got stronger with a party situation but no other combination could solo as effectively as BST and while the argument has been BST is a solo job, in some respects yes but it was never intended to just go and clear VD content.

I know people will point out the RDM and SCH VD clear videos but you're pulling up on 1 exceptional SCH + RDM vs many known VD clears by multiple BSTs.

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I can drop 30k magic bursts on pretty much anything all day solo thanks to my stratagem gifts and never run out of MP thanks to Myrkr, sublimation and aspir. No buffs required. Just me and my nuke set. It get's even crazier when I have geo's and cors etc. buffing me. Almost all those "Known VD clears" by bsts are by the same 3 bsts from the same linkshell. Very few people make posts or videos about their solos. Go ask one of the BSTs from your shell to solo a VD fight for you. Hell offer to pay him. I bet you he can't do it. And that's not even being mean. I know you have good BSTs. But you are grossly exaggerating the commonality of people soloing those high level fights, and I bet you don't complain about any of this nonsense to the bsts in your shell when they are winning your gear for you. That's just wrong.

FWIW, this thread is about how strong magic bursts are and complaints about them being too strong are on topic whether you like the persons motives or not.

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For the record, for all the complaining going on, people are still clearing content with BSTs, it hasn't suddenly become impossible, as for magic bursts being OP, sure they're powerful but that's under a well buffed, well geared party situation, the reason BST got nerfed was they could do all the above solo, with no help, sure they got stronger with a party situation but no other combination could solo as effectively as BST and while the argument has been BST is a solo job, in some respects yes but it was never intended to just go and clear VD content.

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It's amusing to see people think a sparks BST can waltz into a vd bcnm and win right now. It's just not happening. It's never happened. It will never happen.

The only BST who can clear vd's spent a half billion in perfect augments and have mythic weapons.

Now, as for the topic of the thread. I don't mind mages magic bursting back to back and clearing sr in 3min, sounds fun... All jobs should be having fun at this state of the game, not being nerfed into oblivion for the majority of the playerbase on their respective jobs.

I take it you've looked up the linkshells I'm in? For the record the LS you're probably referring to I use as mostly a social LS, I went with them to Vagary the other day but that was the only thing in months, they run late EST which gets too late for me UK time.

I know I may give off this impression of being anti-BST but I assure you I'm not, what I'm against is uniformity, I didn't like the MNK only days, the SAM onry or the RNG only, I can understand the MB situation now because while BLM is best obviously, SCH can do strong MBs as well as doing it solo, as can RDM and GEO as well as fulfilling their support functions.

The problem began with the changes to attack vs defence calculations, that's when PLD really started to shine again as everyone found just throwing DDs at a mob just got people floored since a lot of people had long since abandoned PDT sets because in most situations, it wasn't needed. So then front line jobs are punished because, well they're terrible, they could just PDT-TP hybrid and probably be alright but that's clearly too much effort and unfortunately that stigma has spread that front line DDs = wipe. There are groups who will successfully clear with front line DDs but that's people who know eachother, not PUGs.

With the enmity adjustments now, you need something more than DDs just going to town to maintain hate, you could still zerg in a way but as I just mentioned you need to maintain some form of -DT, what I would suggest is lowering AoE damage so the target takes max damage and people take less damage the further from the target they are, or in the case of a mob centred AoE, their distance from the mob, that way you could position like this:

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Tank----Mob---DDs

DDs and Tank being on opposite sides to maintain max distance with support on the side of the mob to maintain casting distance to both the tank and the DDs, this way frontline DDs can be effective, even the ones who can't be bothered to gear defensively.

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It's amusing to see people think a sparks BST can waltz into a vd bcnm and win right now. It's just not happening. It's never happened. It will never happen.

The only BST who can clear vd's spent a half billion in perfect augments and have mythic weapons.

Now, as for the topic of the thread. I don't mind mages magic bursting back to back and clearing sr in 3min, sounds fun... All jobs should be having fun at this state of the game, not being nerfed into oblivion for the majority of the playerbase on their respective jobs.

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I never said sparks BST, stop putting words in my mouth. This is all of your sides stupidest defence against people saying BST is OP, no one says anything about Sparks BST clearing VD content but you claim they do and condescend them for it.

I don't typically play mage jobs, except for rdm, but magic bursting is so strong now-a-days that I'm giving serious consideration to gearing my sch and blm, and making a mythic for sch. I've seen sch solo so much it's ridiculous.

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I never said sparks BST, stop putting words in my mouth. This is all of your sides stupidest defence against people saying BST is OP, no one says anything about Sparks BST clearing VD content but you claim they do and condescend them for it.

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Lets be crystal clear then Tidis. No BST without perfect gearswaps aka 3rd party cheating, perfect augments and a mythic weapon, are able to get a vd clear solo. The argument that BST clear vd content is supremely overstated. A very, very small group of people have ruined BST for the great majority and this Nerf didn't impact them.

My apologies that I thought you were the one on another thread that said a BST in sparks was capable of these clears.

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I don't typically play mage jobs, except for rdm, but magic bursting is so strong now-a-days that I'm giving serious consideration to gearing my sch and blm, and making a mythic for sch. I've seen sch solo so much it's ridiculous.

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SCH is crazy strong, I'm with you on that, I may need to bandwagon it, lol.

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Threadjacking is obnoxious and rude.

You guys sound like the guy in a social circle who brings up some pet political issue in every conversation. Stick to the topic at hand for god's sake.

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The guy makes high quality posts like:

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Cool, thanks for answering. Also, thank you for nerfing BST!

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No, I'm happy BST got nerfed.

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BST too strong. Nerf please.

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...over on BLU and then makes this thread. This is exactly what he wanted. Are you mad because people fell for it? or did you take this thread seriously?

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I never said sparks BST, stop putting words in my mouth. This is all of your sides stupidest defence against people saying BST is OP, no one says anything about Sparks BST clearing VD content but you claim they do and condescend them for it.

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He's using hyperbole to highlight the way that you sound when you imply that BST is somehow easier to gear for those events than SCH. It's not. The augments that make those fights possible for bst are the rarest augments on the rarest and most expensive stones out of the bunch and it requires almost zero gear that can be purchased from the AH unlike SCH which can buy things like seshaw cape, mujin band frimosi earring etc. You have mage jobs. Go try it. I'll bet that you can get decent magic burst damage+ on a full set of helios within 2-3 stacks of stones. Meanwhile BSTs will spend hundreds of stones trying to get pet DT- on their gear and a lot of BSTs will give up before they manage to get DT- and TP bonus on an axe.