I have two or three major issues with vagary at the moment, the first issue, is that once you defeat the megaboss of a zone (we did the elemental zone last night), you don't get any kind of time extension. What happened was that we were low on time, just barely got the boss down, and only had 60 seconds left to try and distribute loot, which with half the group dead, wasn't possible. All those expensive upgrade items went to the floor. The group leader was dead, so we couldn't even quartermaster things and distribute them afterwards. Second thing, the Records of Eminence for vagary bosses isn't completed for the people who are dead when a megaboss is killed. That's not fair at all. I died while weakened, burning my 2hrs trying to get the boss down, and then the boss died to one more WS or so after I died, so I didn't get credit for RoE, and therefore didn't get a free upgrade item, being forced to either repeat the fight another time to get it done, or just buy an expensive upgrade item if I want to get an upgrade item in the meantime. Maybe make it so that when you beat the final boss of the zone, you get a small time extension, enough time to distribute loot, like in delve, or skirmish (after you pop the reward chest key thing).
Third problem, is that it requires so many people for most people to complete any zone. They fixed Delve so you could complete it with a group of 6-7 without a full alliance. I don't know how some people are low manning it, but getting 18 people together to beat a zone, then everyone getting rewarded with just a few memories and a few people getting lucky with boss drops. it seems unfair, and really annoying. I'd like more people to be able to low man stuff, to get more rewards. If you can 6-7 man it, you get rewarded with more memories per person, making it easier to upgrade gear and take less time to set up groups (it's a huge time sink at the moment, getting 18 people together, just to barely beat the zone, but then everyone gets ripped off at the end by getting nothing when you run out of time at the end despite beating the boss).
Vagary Issues
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04-27-2015, 04:27 AMSabishiiVagary Issues
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04-27-2015, 05:05 AMHoshi
Depends on the zone I guess but we are able to clear zones with few people. The leech zone we have cleared with 5 (geo x2 sch blm thf) and the ele zone we cleared with 6 (geo x2 sch blm thf pld). We are able to do perfedein and plouton with 4 real players playing 7 accounts (geox2 blm sch thf pld cor). The fomor zone is a bit nasty (translation not mage friendly) but we really hate it so we haven't tried very hard to low man that. We never ever bring more than 12 in on any of our runs. I would imagine with 18 competent players all of those zones are jokes.
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04-29-2015, 03:02 AMGrekumah
The reason why we decided to continue the content timer upon defeating the boss is because unlike other content, the regular monsters inside of Vagary drop useful items and these monsters will still remain after the boss has been defeated.
In the event that we decided to extend the time by 5 minutes after the boss is defeated, this will take away any remaining time and give players a hard 5 minute extension. Due to this, we would like to carefully consider which option is better. -
04-29-2015, 03:53 AMZarchery
You mean Etched Memories? How many Etched Memories could you possibly get in only 5 minutes?
Could you just make the regular monsters despawn?
The current system is really unfair. -
04-29-2015, 06:37 AMdasva
If another 5 minutes for beating that zones boss is such a big deal then why do we get another 15 minutes for beating the leg/body bosses?
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04-29-2015, 06:37 AMSingforu
While I agree that you should get credit regardless of if you are dead or not, the rest of the current system is fine. Every zone has been beaten in 25 minutes or less. You just need to work on your strategy and/or your alliance members' competence more. And all zones have been beat with just two parties, not a full alliance, with plenty of time to spare.
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04-29-2015, 06:40 AMSingforuso you can do leg and body and mega boss of the zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by dasva
edit: though after you beat the mega boss no more mobs will spawn. so what will probably happen is the 5 minute hard timer that Grekumah mentioned. Which would kind of be a shame. After beating leg, body, and zone mega boss yesterday in elemental zone, we had like 20 minutes left and so we went and cleared out all the elementals that we skipped to farm memories. -
04-29-2015, 11:05 AMHoshi
Is it possible to pop the legs and body NMs after defeating the megaboss? Maybe that would be possible in the elemental zone but I don't see that happening in the other two zones.
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04-29-2015, 04:07 PMAtaraxiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Grekumah
Off topic but in future update are you planning to lower the cost of merits that is require for doing a AA fight? If i remember correctly Camate said something about it being 5 merits awhile back and I think it's been 4 month now that AA is still 15 merits while others are 10 merits. -
04-29-2015, 05:02 PMAkivatoo
So just warp us in tempory zone for 5 minutes like legion when time is over to avoid item loose.
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04-30-2015, 04:54 AMdetlef
It is kind of silly to think that you're 100% guaranteed to be able to sort your Perfidien/Plouton drops but not the regular zone bosses, which are arguably more difficult to spawn and have more valuable gil drops.
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05-02-2015, 02:04 PMmachini
My biggest problem with vagary is it's required to be able to 119 Empyrean armor. Which means people without SoA can't do it.
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05-03-2015, 02:43 PMbungiefanNA
Apparently the items from Vagary can be Bazaared, so yes, people without Adoulin can do it. The Pet Food Beta podcast said it could be done.
Also, at this point, the entire collection is $10. There's no reason not to have Adoulin at this point. You're going to need every expansion to do Rhapsodies, because it's going to involve zones from every expansion. -
05-03-2015, 04:19 PMmachiniYou might want to actually look into it, because while the items can be bazaared, you can't actually make the items without the wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by bungiefanNA
So it doesn't matter if someone without SoA can get the items, they can't even do the reforge without the wins, much like you have to have Sea access to get Monisette to talk to you. -
05-03-2015, 05:04 PMmachini
Yep. Just tried it. Bought a Defiant Sweat and Etched Memories, and tried to turn in the Sweat, the 15 Memories, 8 Chapter Sixes, and my Empy 109 Head to Monisette, she's not taking them. You MUST have the Vagary win for the item to make it.
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05-03-2015, 05:17 PMmachini
So. To recap. I just spent 4.43 million gil trying to make an item that I can't make because you said I could.
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05-03-2015, 05:29 PMmachini
You can hit me up with the gil whenever we're both next on at the same time.
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05-04-2015, 01:47 PMSingforu
You're probably trolling, but if not.... wow. It's been known since day 1 that we had to get the wins for each empy 119 armor piece.
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05-04-2015, 02:14 PMmachiniNot trolling. And I was assured it would work. And now i'm out nearly four and a half million gil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Singforu
People shouldn't go spouting off shit if it's not true. -
05-04-2015, 02:16 PMmachini
Once again:
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Originally Posted by bungiefanNA
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05-04-2015, 04:17 PMShirai
Ok, so they made a mistake. Yet, if you had done just a bit more research yourself, you could have saved you the gil as at least BG-Wiki mentions this on their Empyrian upgrade page and even the update notes mention it.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post545504
(I must admit however that oldWiki is a bit vague regarding this.)Quote:
Reforging to item level 119
The items required for reforging empyrean armor to this level can obtained in Vagary.
* Players must first receive a designation earned through Vagary in order to reforge Empyrean armor to item level 119.
Having certain requirements to progress in gear is quite commonplace, I don't see why that would be an issue.
By the way, you can do Vagary without having completed a single chapter in Seekers of Adoulin and also get credit for the boss kills. -
05-04-2015, 05:00 PMmachiniOh, hi there. Way to miss the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shirai
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05-04-2015, 05:04 PMShirai
Perhaps you should be a bit more clear about it then, English is not my native language so please elaborate.
Unless your point was to call them out on a mistake, if so, you chose quite a radical way to do so. -
05-04-2015, 06:29 PMmachini
I apologize. Yes, that was the point I was going for.
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05-04-2015, 10:14 PMbazookatoothI think the important part of that quote is:Quote:
Originally Posted by machini
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Also, at this point, the entire collection is $10. There's no reason not to have Adoulin at this point. You're going to need every expansion to do Rhapsodies, because it's going to involve zones from every expansion.
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05-05-2015, 03:46 AMbungiefanNANot if you don't have Adoulin installed and a way to navigate to Outer RaKaznar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shirai
As for the information, I was trying. I don't do endgame events myself, I'm not geared well enough for them, and my goal is to complete storylines. There's no way I could repay the gil, I've rarely even had 1 million gil. You could resell the items to make it back. -
05-05-2015, 06:01 AMShiraiUh, not sure if I understand your post correctly but if you don't have Adoulin you simply don't get the ability to upgrade your Empyrian gear to 119, 109 is the highest you can go without defeating the Vagary bosses.Quote:
Originally Posted by bungiefanNA
You can buy the items all you want, but Monisette will simply not accept them until you've defeated the Vagary boss for the item you want to upgrade. -
05-05-2015, 06:54 AMbungiefanNA
You said you could do Vagary without mission progress in Adoulin, but one of the earlier posts complaining about the Empyrean upgrades was that they didn't have Adoulin installed or registered. What I had heard from the Pet Food Beta podcast was about bazaaring the ingredients so you didn't have to do Vagary, but they were apparently not complete in their description. I didn't know a clear was still required.
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05-05-2015, 08:05 AMShiraiCorrect, you don't need any Adoulin mission progress to get kill credit on the Vagary bosses, but as Vagary is Adoulin content taking place in Adoulin zones you DO need Adoulin installed and registered to actually get the wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by bungiefanNA
But as I said before, English, while I do speak and understand it really well, it is not my native language so written sarcasm goes beyond me quite a bit when I can't hear the tone of voice expressing it. So I am not sure if that comment actually had any sarcasm in it.
Yet, sarcasm or not, my opinion in that matter is that I don't see the problem that as gear progression needs clearance of content in most, if not all MMO games.
Apparently so, but that's why I try to consult several sources for information before drawing conclusions.Quote:
What I had heard from the Pet Food Beta podcast was about bazaaring the ingredients so you didn't have to do Vagary, but they were apparently not complete in their description. I didn't know a clear was still required.
Even then, I too am still human, so don't take it too personally whe someone points out flaws in your sayings. We all still make mistakes.
That said, Machini, I really hope you didn't really spend that gil, for BGF's sake. I have a feeling they're really feeling bad about it. -
05-05-2015, 08:38 AMdetlef
It's not like someone online said "You need a tattoo to upgrade Empyrean Armor" and he went and got a potato on his ankle, wondering why Monisette wasn't taking the items. If he bought the mats, he can just as easily sell them back. Defiant Sweat is probably worth more now than when you bought it (opposite likely true for the Etched Memories).