Can I please get some assistance with my controller

I posted in Tech. Support, but can't get an answer, so I'll post it here.

I can't get my controllers to work with my PC. I've searched the web, but nothing works. Can I please get an easy setup for how to make my controller work with FFXI so I can use the triggers as well. I have a PS3/4 controller and a Xbox 360 controller. This shouldn't be this hard...

Pretty sure ps3/4 controlers wont work for pc. Xbox 360 should.

http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-o...-windows-setup

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Originally Posted by Roja323

Pretty sure ps3/4 controlers wont work for pc. Xbox 360 should.

http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-o...-windows-setup

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Any of them should work. But I'm trying to get them to map and configure correctly. I can't get any of the XBDC driver or the SCP Drivers to work. I want to play this game with the exact same controller layout that I've played for the last 12 years.

PS2 controllers are still easy to find, and can work with this adapter...

http://www.play-asia.com/super-joybo...en-70-qc4.html

That's what I use.

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Originally Posted by Zeargi

Any of them should work. But I'm trying to get them to map and configure correctly. I can't get any of the XBDC driver or the SCP Drivers to work. I want to play this game with the exact same controller layout that I've played for the last 12 years.

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No actually, any of them should not work. Microsoft was very clear that they would support xbox controlers for pc, but not playstation.

If its that big of a deal, get a 20 buck pc game pad (works just like a ps2-4 controler or xbox controller but was made for a pc.

I've been using these drivers for the last 5+ years. Sometimes they are difficult to get working though depending on your OS and you will have to fiddle with the settings to get them correct once they do work. If you google around, you can find some guides etc. to help with any issues.

http://lavendy.net/special/driver/x360wc/index.html

You can also google "XInput Plus", which is a program that maps the triggers as buttons on a per game basis so that you won't have issues playing games other than FFXI. That program has also worked pretty well for me over the years.

SE really should add support for these controllers though if they are going to force everyone onto PC.

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Originally Posted by Roja323

No actually, any of them should not work. Microsoft was very clear that they would support xbox controlers for pc, but not playstation.

If its that big of a deal, get a 20 buck pc game pad (works just like a ps2-4 controler or xbox controller but was made for a pc.

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it's not up to microsoft to decide if you can use a PS2/PS3 controller on your PC. It can easily be done with third party drivers. It's Sony who is to blame for not making an official driver. They don't want to do it because they want you to use their hardware.

But instead of fiddling with that, why not just go out and buy a logitech gamepad. They make several gamepads that are just like playstation controllers and they're plug and play.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

it's not up to microsoft to decide if you can use a PS2/PS3 controller on your PC. It can easily be done with third party drivers. It's Sony who is to blame for not making an official driver. They don't want to do it because they want you to use their hardware.

But instead of fiddling with that, why not just go out and buy a logitech gamepad. They make several gamepads that are just like playstation controllers and they're plug and play.

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My personal experience with Logitech controllers has been that they are unresponsive, the buttons wear out and start sticking and they are generally buggy. Especially if you use the wireless ones. I wore out and or broke several Logitech controls before I decided to put the effort into finding drivers for the 360 controllers and I've never looked back. The 360 and ps2/3/4 controllers are vastly superior hardware in my opinion.

Then again the logitech controllers are way easier to set up and a lot of people like them. So I guess it's a question of whether you want something that's hard to get working, or something that hard to work with. I think most people just don't want to spend another $20-$50 on something they already have.

I say this as a guy who hasn't used a PS or 360 for FFXI in years though. If they are going to cancel PS / 360 support, SE should at least thrown them a bone and support their controllers on PC.

PS2 controllers are easily supported with inexpensive adapters. Xbox 360 controllers use a newer interface standard than FFXI was programmed for. DirectX 8 and 9 do not support XInput, which the Xbox controller driver uses, they use DirectInput. SE doesn't write hardware drivers, they can't enable the controller, just the standard, but they would have to update FFXI to use a newer DirectX standard to support XInput. That would be an overhaul of the whole game to do so. PS3 controllers are even newer, and have similar support problems. The community has solved these problems already with custom drivers, and XInput to DirectInput translators.

I use this and works great wireless PS3 controller. BUT L2/R2 wont work

http://twigstechtips.blogspot.co.uk/...-ds3-dual.html

Getting a PS3 controller to work with FFXI on PC is a huge hassle, and requires (often buggy) 3rd party software. Gets even worse if you wanna use it via bluetooth. There may be better software now, but DS3 tool was a freaking nightmare....

But getting my PS4 controller to work was pretty much plug and play, but for one small easy to fix issue. The analog sticks were mapped wrong, and it took a bit of messing around to fix. Trying to remap them via config doesn't work. <,<

Plug in controller.
Open FFXI controller config.
Check the boxes for, enable gamepad, enable slider, and enable hat switches(honestly, I dunno if you need slider/hat. But I have em checked, and mine works, so.)
Hit the Default Setup button under the predefined setups section.
Configure buttons to taste, but..
Leave the movement/camera Alone(possibly menus too, I forget.) Hitting default sets these properly, and trying to reconfigure them screws em up again. <,<
Hit OK. Then log in and test.

After that, mine worked great. The thing that could be considered an issue, is that if I try to connect via bluetooth, I get the occasional lag on my controller input. And that's just not acceptable, so I just stuck with USB.

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Originally Posted by bazookatooth

My personal experience with Logitech controllers has been that they are unresponsive, the buttons wear out and start sticking and they are generally buggy. Especially if you use the wireless ones. I wore out and or broke several Logitech controls before I decided to put the effort into finding drivers for the 360 controllers and I've never looked back. The 360 and ps2/3/4 controllers are vastly superior hardware in my opinion.

Then again the logitech controllers are way easier to set up and a lot of people like them. So I guess it's a question of whether you want something that's hard to get working, or something that hard to work with. I think most people just don't want to spend another $20-$50 on something they already have.

I say this as a guy who hasn't used a PS or 360 for FFXI in years though. If they are going to cancel PS / 360 support, SE should at least thrown them a bone and support their controllers on PC.

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You've had some pretty bad luck then, because my experience has been the opposite, reliable hardware that just doesn't quit. I"m using a Logitech G-15 keyboard that's almost as old as this game. It's survived things being spilled on it and lots of grabge under the keys in all those years, not to mention other abuse, and it still works fine today.

As far as controllers XI only supports directInput, which is why the xbox controller can't be (properly) supported. DirectInput doesn't support all of the features of the latest generation's gamepads, which is why when you DO get them to work, some buttons (namely the analog triggers) don't work as you expect. Xbox controllers use the XInput interface and it would probably be a lot of work for SE to implement.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00RVEZ0VW/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1426958158&sr=1-2&pi=AC_SX200_QL40&dpPl=1&dpID=41r3mu3Ux4L&ref=plSrch

Link didn't work on that post,The laptop I'm looking at is New HP G3 Quad core Laptop,Windows 7 pro,Microsoft office 2010,DVD-RW.Ram 4GB.Hard drive 500 GB,Graphics card description: Radeon HD 8330.Quad core(1.5ghz x 4) AMD A4 processor.Would this run FFXI if I was to download complete seekers edition from playonline site?i have no knowledge of pc or laptops so and help be good,thx.

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Originally Posted by Roja323

Pretty sure ps3/4 controllers wont work for pc. Xbox 360 should.

http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-o...-windows-setup

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This is not 100% right. I know nothing about if ps4 will work yet. but i know for a fact a ps3 and 360 controllers do work. but sometimes you need to ether fake the drivers or install the drivers that sony has posted online and xboxs if you can find them.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You've had some pretty bad luck then, because my experience has been the opposite, reliable hardware that just doesn't quit. I"m using a Logitech G-15 keyboard that's almost as old as this game. It's survived things being spilled on it and lots of grabge under the keys in all those years, not to mention other abuse, and it still works fine today.

As far as controllers XI only supports directInput, which is why the xbox controller can't be (properly) supported. DirectInput doesn't support all of the features of the latest generation's gamepads, which is why when you DO get them to work, some buttons (namely the analog triggers) don't work as you expect. Xbox controllers use the XInput interface and it would probably be a lot of work for SE to implement.

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That's a keyboard though. I'm not aware of any keyboards that aren't compatible with this game. Good game pads on the other hand are few and far between and it just so happens that everyone moving from PS/360 already has one.

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Originally Posted by Shadowstrife

Link didn't work on that post,The laptop I'm looking at is New HP G3 Quad core Laptop,Windows 7 pro,Microsoft office 2010,DVD-RW.Ram 4GB.Hard drive 500 GB,Graphics card description: Radeon HD 8330.Quad core(1.5ghz x 4) AMD A4 processor.Would this run FFXI if I was to download complete seekers edition from playonline site?i have no knowledge of pc or laptops so and help be good,thx.

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That's way above the minimum specs. Pretty much any Windows computer made in the last 5 years will run the game. Multiple cores doesn't matter so much, versus the speed of the cores. FFXI doesn't support multiple cores at once, so the game will only use one of them. Laptops generally have a slower speed per core versus desktops, to reduce consumption of battery power.

Ok thx for that information,one more question I'm not sure about,on the spec requirements screen for FFXI it says a DVD-ROM drive is necessary for installation,is this something all laptops have?because didn't state it had on laptop specs that it had a dvd rom drive.also is it needed if ffxi is downloaded from their official site and not disc?iv never used laptop so not good at all with all the requirements and terms used.

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Originally Posted by Shadowstrife

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00RVEZ0VW/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1426958158&sr=1-2&pi=AC_SX200_QL40&dpPl=1&dpID=41r3mu3Ux4L&ref=plSrch

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any PC made in the last 10-15 years would likely be at least functional. Even a Raspberry Pi that ran Windows (the newest one does/will I think) could do it, and those things cost like $30-60. (Bear in mind that the Raspberry Pi is a system-on-a-board designed for hobbyists- it's an ultra-compact PC on a single circuit board- it doesn't come with a case or storage medium other than SD card though there are kits out there with custom made cases for it. It does have HDMI, USB, and LAN built in)

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Ok thx for that information,one more question I'm not sure about,on the spec requirements screen for FFXI it says a DVD-ROM drive is necessary for installation,is this something all laptops have?

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Disc drives in general are becoming less and less common especially on laptops. But if you download the client, you don't need a disc drive.

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Originally Posted by Shadowstrife

Ok thx for that information,one more question I'm not sure about,on the spec requirements screen for FFXI it says a DVD-ROM drive is necessary for installation,is this something all laptops have?because didn't state it had on laptop specs that it had a dvd rom drive.also is it needed if ffxi is downloaded from their official site and not disc?iv never used laptop so not good at all with all the requirements and terms used.

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You can download the whole game from the official FFXI site. You no longer need the discs, just the codes.

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Originally Posted by bazookatooth

You can download the whole game from the official FFXI site. You no longer need the discs, just the codes.

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Adding to your post, with instructions:

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/dow...stall_win.html <- NA Version
http://www.playonline.com/ff11eu/dow...stall_win.html <- EU version

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Originally Posted by bazookatooth

That's a keyboard though. I'm not aware of any keyboards that aren't compatible with this game. Good game pads on the other hand are few and far between and it just so happens that everyone moving from PS/360 already has one.

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Their gamepads are just as reliable as their keyboards. You might have had bad luck with one but they generally make good products.

Xbox controllers are compatible with PC but not this game because of the technology used, which did not exist when FFXI was created. It wasn't a concern in moving to the xbox 360 because the system handles that stuff. Those who do get the controllers to work find that the analog triggers on those controllers are not recognized as buttons by the game.

You could also consider learning to use the keyboard to play. While it will be likely awkward for you at first, if you can get used to it, the larger number of buttons at your disposal can be quite an advantage, especially when it comes to macro use. The only downside is movement is less smooth (though you can overcome this by learning to use the camera and movement controls in combination effectively)

ok ill say this

--xbox360 controler--
because the l2/r2 keys are analog thay will never work with ffxi without outside software like http://www.xpadder.com/

--ps3/ps4 controlers--
you need to find the correct 3rd party driver to use on your computer like http://motioninjoy.en.uptodown.com/

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Their gamepads are just as reliable as their keyboards. You might have had bad luck with one but they generally make good products.

Xbox controllers are compatible with PC but not this game because of the technology used, which did not exist when FFXI was created. It wasn't a concern in moving to the xbox 360 because the system handles that stuff. Those who do get the controllers to work find that the analog triggers on those controllers are not recognized as buttons by the game.

You could also consider learning to use the keyboard to play. While it will be likely awkward for you at first, if you can get used to it, the larger number of buttons at your disposal can be quite an advantage, especially when it comes to macro use. The only downside is movement is less smooth (though you can overcome this by learning to use the camera and movement controls in combination effectively)

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Yeah, while I agree that keyboard is probably a superior interface, sitting a few feet from the screen isn't an option without a game pad or a weird set up. I've used 3 different models of Logitech controllers and had the same issues with them all. The A/B/X/Y buttons stick and wear out after a while. I've even gone as far as buying their cheaper models and swapping the buttons into my worn out but more expensive model in order to extend it's life. Another problem is the responsiveness. There is a notable lag in the wireless versions. I've been lucky enough not to experience the largest common issue though, which is the controller dropping connection and / or not even being able to function with windows 7/8. The reviews here are pretty telling: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-940-0...ess+controller

My 360 controllers have never had any issues whatsoever other than the lack of support on FFXI. I understand that SE didn't feel the need to support these specific controllers before because there are plenty of other options (although none as good IMO). But now that they are cutting off support for the 360/PS, they have the opportunity to extent a giant olive branch by not forcing the people who played on those systems to go out and buy another device (assuming they have / buy a PC) just to play. Also like I said, the 360 and PS controllers are extremely reliable and well known. Purchasing another controller would mean placing faith in online reviews or even worse.... The blue shirts at best buy.

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sitting a few feet from the screen

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Wireless keyboards say hello. :p

My mother sits in an armchair with a Logitech Couch Mouse and a wireless keyboard and surfs and watches streaming video on a big TV with that.

Think of something, I've got a solution for that. :p

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Wireless keyboards say hello. :p

My mother sits in an armchair with a Logitech Couch Mouse and a wireless keyboard and surfs and watches streaming video on a big TV with that.

Think of something, I've got a solution for that. :p

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I just don't like it :P

Also, no place for a mouse on my chair and I already have 3X wireless 360 controllers.

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Originally Posted by bazookatooth

I just don't like it :P

Also, no place for a mouse on my chair and I already have 3X wireless 360 controllers.

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the couch mouse is specifically designed to work on any surface even those not flat :p, like the upholestry of a couch or armchair :p

You can use the xbox controllers of course with the PC it just takes a little doing to make it work for XI.

I'm just saying that with literally millions of 360/PS controllers floating around, it makes sense to add support to the game. Especially when you consider that many of the people playing the PC version will already own one and not want to spend more money on a different one that may not work as well. If not for the convenience, at least for the safety in not having their customers install 3rd party drivers or other poorly coded programs off the internet. For a company like SE, it really would be rather trivial to add it and save everyone the headaches. There are a LOT of people who just aren't interested in playing with a keyboard / mouse.

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Originally Posted by bazookatooth

I just don't like it :P

Also, no place for a mouse on my chair and I already have 3X wireless 360 controllers.

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Personally, I prefer a trackball, but I have a wrist injury that mice aggravate. You only need the space to set down the trackball, as you don't move it.

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Originally Posted by bazookatooth

I'm just saying that with literally millions of 360/PS controllers floating around, it makes sense to add support to the game. Especially when you consider that many of the people playing the PC version will already own one and not want to spend more money on a different one that may not work as well. If not for the convenience, at least for the safety in not having their customers install 3rd party drivers or other poorly coded programs off the internet. For a company like SE, it really would be rather trivial to add it and save everyone the headaches. There are a LOT of people who just aren't interested in playing with a keyboard / mouse.

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The version of DirectX the game is coded for doesn't support XInput that the Xbox controller driver uses. They'd have to recode the game for a newer version of DirectX, and that's a big investment. There's plenty of controllers on the market that do DirectInput as well as XInput, and plenty of software solutions that work system-side. SE doesn't have to add support for one peripheral in the sea of peripherals.

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Originally Posted by bungiefanNA

The version of DirectX the game is coded for doesn't support XInput that the Xbox controller driver uses. They'd have to recode the game for a newer version of DirectX, and that's a big investment. There's plenty of controllers on the market that do DirectInput as well as XInput, and plenty of software solutions that work system-side. SE doesn't have to add support for one peripheral in the sea of peripherals.

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There are programs that can change the input to directinput already available for free without making any changes to the game itself. https://sites.google.com/site/0dd14lab/xinput-plus

It's really not that hard for them to create an official version for ffxi. If people can do it for free, a multibillion dollar company that charges subscriptions should have no problem coming up with something.

And it's not one peripheral in a sea of peripherals. It's very likely that there are more 360/ps controllers in existence than all other PC specific game pads combined. Not only that but the need for these people to find a PC game pad has been specifically created by SE themselves.

Hi,I'm having trouble with the link for the FFXI download,instructions on link say click the "FFXISETUP" file to launch the seekers edition installation,I did that and came up open file or save file,opening file said windows couldn't lauch it and saving file didn't seem to do anything either even tho I can see it in my folders.So the installation set up won't even start so then I cant even accept the user agreement either.there are 3 more files called "data001" "data002" "data003" under the "FFXISETUP" file too but instructions doesn't mention those,do I have to save all four files first? Or am I missing something,any help be appreciated,this is my first laptop and first game and only got so I can carry on with ffxi next year after 360 stops service.

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Originally Posted by Shadowstrife

Hi,I'm having trouble with the link for the FFXI download,instructions on link say click the "FFXISETUP" file to launch the seekers edition installation,I did that and came up open file or save file,opening file said windows couldn't lauch it and saving file didn't seem to do anything either even tho I can see it in my folders.So the installation set up won't even start so then I cant even accept the user agreement either.there are 3 more files called "data001" "data002" "data003" under the "FFXISETUP" file too but instructions doesn't mention those,do I have to save all four files first? Or am I missing something,any help be appreciated,this is my first laptop and first game and only got so I can carry on with ffxi next year after 360 stops service.

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did you download all 4 of the files on one of these pages
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/dow...stall_win.html --us
http://www.playonline.com/ff11eu/dow...stall_win.html --eu

Hello,yeah I tried just the FFXISETUP file at first but it wouldn't launch so then I saved FFXISETUP file along with the 3 data files and then tried and still windows wouldn't open it.can see the 4 files in my folders but can't do anything with them,done as instructions say on that link too.says windows can't open file and it needs to know what programme you want to use to open it.