Login Campaign #13

Link on Login Campaign #13 on the FINAL FANTASY XI Official Web Site ain't working.

Thought I should give a heads up. :)

*link on main page atm;
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/campaign/login/login13.html

They have a typo in the date too. They say it begins Tuesday July 10th. I'm assuming they mean Thursday July 10.

Star Sybil Trust. Woooooot!

What I don't like is that it's going to be a meh Cypher instead of a nice cutscene that required rank 10 in Windy. :(

I don't mind geting cyphers for npcs we only see in CS, but the ones where you can actually get to there should be a CS for getting their trust. Lehko would be a cypher only for those who finished past windy story line due to what happens to him at the end.

So, they've fixed the broken link then?

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Originally Posted by Demonjustin

Idk, I like the Trust system a lot but the Cyphers themselves have always bothered me, and the fact that the amount of legitimate NPCs is rivaled by the amount Cypher obtained NPCs just really makes me feel like they don't even care about the best part of unlocking them.

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Good day, Demonjustin!

I understand your concern with the number of alter egos obtainable through in-game events and cutscenes vs. the number obtainable by ciphers. While I am not at liberty to discuss the decision making process within the dev team, I can say that you are not done seeing cutscenes!

Have heart, for there are more fun events yet to come!

Regards,

Unelonborro
Localization Lead

Why are 200-point items on the list in French? O.o

The list, which is identical to one from a previous login campaign, was accidentally partially copied over from the French file instead of the English one. I've already reported the issue to the Web team, so hopefully we can get that cleared up soon.

Regards,

Unelonborro
Localization Lead

Over the last year the English site has had lots of typos and weird mistakes like this. What's up with that?

Good day, Puck!

Thank for you your feedback!

It's never acceptable for mistakes of any sort to appear in game-related text, websites, or other official avenues of communication, so I understand, both as a gamer and a person, where your consternation comes from.

In way of explanation (not as an excuse), though the workload of the localization team has increased greatly since the implementation of monthly updates, our staff remains the same. Everyone who works on FFXI--programmers, artists, sound designers, planners, marketing, the web team, QA...everyone--has pulled double-time over the past year to bring you fresh content. As the localization team, we must ultimately prioritize in-game text to preserve the fidelity of the Vana'diel experience for all our English-speaking players, whether they are forumgoers or not.

I agree with you that we need to pick up the slack regarding web text in particular, and we will continue to refine our processes to make sure that the entire package is one that we all can be proud of. In the meantime, please continue to call us out on our mistakes!

If you'd like to continue to have this dialogue (or any other dialogue, whether about in-game topics, web content, or just chewing the fat) with me, please feel free to create a thread in the Localization sub forum! Let's keep this topic about the Login Campaign, as the creator intended.

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Originally Posted by Unelonborro

Good day, Demonjustin!

I understand your concern with the number of alter egos obtainable through in-game events and cutscenes vs. the number obtainable by ciphers. While I am not at liberty to discuss the decision making process within the dev team, I can say that you are not done seeing cutscenes!

Have heart, for there are more fun events yet to come!

Regards,

Unelonborro
Localization Lead

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While I appreciate what you're saying I don't think you understood the exact nature of my complaint. I know more with CSs are to come, but I'm sure those with Cyphers already implemented aren't among them. My problem is that NPCs like Aldo, Lion, Naja, or Lehko, NPCs that are important to the story of entire expansions and subsets of quests that are being given to us in paper scrolls rather than through CSs like the others. It feels as though these NPCs are being treated unfairly by compare to others like Prishe or Ulmia who are given such things.

Wow, I'm quite pleasantly surprised I got a response to that. Thanks very much. I'll be sure to post in the localization section next time I see a weird mistake.

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Originally Posted by Demonjustin

While I appreciate what you're saying I don't think you understood the exact nature of my complaint. I know more with CSs are to come, but I'm sure those with Cyphers already implemented aren't among them. My problem is that NPCs like Aldo, Lion, Naja, or Lehko, NPCs that are important to the story of entire expansions and subsets of quests that are being given to us in paper scrolls rather than through CSs like the others. It feels as though these NPCs are being treated unfairly by compare to others like Prishe or Ulmia who are given such things.

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I agree. I'm a big Star Sibyl fan, so it's a little disappointing we'll get her through cipher after a lot of the stuff we've been through together. Ciphers are perfectly fine for characters like Ferrous Coffin or Valairenal, as we've had no adventures with them and have no bonds to speak of. But for those we actually do form bonds with over the course of the story, ciphers cheapen the experience and deprive us of a cutscene that confirms those bonds.

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Originally Posted by Demonjustin

While I appreciate what you're saying I don't think you understood the exact nature of my complaint. I know more with CSs are to come, but I'm sure those with Cyphers already implemented aren't among them. My problem is that NPCs like Aldo, Lion, Naja, or Lehko, NPCs that are important to the story of entire expansions and subsets of quests that are being given to us in paper scrolls rather than through CSs like the others. It feels as though these NPCs are being treated unfairly by compare to others like Prishe or Ulmia who are given such things.

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I don't work for SE, so this is PURE speculation on my part.

I think some Cyphers are chosen based on avoiding potential lock-outs. Look at the people who had trouble getting Ajido due to never finishing the Windy mission line, when oddly, someone who only got the SL fight could unlock him. Or how Prishe and Ulmia became unavailable to people who had flagged parts of the Apocalypse Nigh questline. Let's look at Naja. She's a character a lot of people wanted (to kill, err, did I say that out loud?) It is sad she's a Cypher, but on the other hand, she is involved in flagging so many missions and quests, not to mention all the Promotions for Assault rank. Players would be probably be locked out of acquiring her more often than not.

Now, I would like an explanation as to why male Serpent Generals get quests and females get Cyphers...

I understand what you mean but I just honestly don't think it'd be that hard to do most of them. Lion would need to be after Apoc Nigh but Naja could be after the mission in ToAU that you fight along side her. Aldo could simply be from after Celestial Nexus, Lehko could've just been after A Nation on the Brink, I could list more but in all honesty I have an idea of where each NPC could've seen enough in the character to be worth a Trust. That said, it's all for naught, even though I've thought of all of these events where they could've made it so we could obtain them via CSs it's already not going to happen. I just don't like that one of my favorite aspects of one of my favorite systems was done so poorly for some of the game's main story NPCs.

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Originally Posted by Unelonborro

In way of explanation (not as an excuse), though the workload of the localization team has increased greatly since the implementation of monthly updates, our staff remains the same. Everyone who works on FFXI--programmers, artists, sound designers, planners, marketing, the web team, QA...everyone--has pulled double-time over the past year to bring you fresh content. As the localization team, we must ultimately prioritize in-game text to preserve the fidelity of the Vana'diel experience for all our English-speaking players, whether they are forumgoers or not.

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You guys have been keeping it together. Love the frequent updates, it's clear you're all working hard. Cheers.

I'd love to see trusts of the npcs you'd meet if you'd obtained a certain relic weapon. Even if the CS only appeared when you had that weapon on you/in inventory, and just got their cipher if you didn't.

Sry, noob here. Just got Star Sibyl. Seems like a Geo cuz i get a buff (magic att. boost) when i bring her out but.. She just stands there, lol. Doesn't engage in any fight and just does subtle emotes. Am i missing something or is she just a buff?

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Originally Posted by Jybwee

Sry, noob here. Just got Star Sibyl. Seems like a Geo cuz i get a buff (magic att. boost) when i bring her out but.. She just stands there, lol. Doesn't engage in any fight and just does subtle emotes. Am i missing something or is she just a buff?

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Yep, she only gives you the magic buffs and doesn't fight. Other Trust like her are Sakura and Moogle.