Can We Get A Few Non-job Specific Item Level 119 Weapons Added To The Game?

Here's a list of jobs with decent skills in a weapon type (skill level 368 unmerited), but there is no weapon they can use, it would be nice if tags for these jobs would be added to these type of weapons or weapons added they could use.

Warrior- Scythe, Polearm, Club, Staff, marksmanship (crossbow)
Monk- Club, Staff, (seriously no high level staff for mnks?)
Thief- Archery, Marksmanship, (crossbow used to be a thf staple)
Paladin- Club, Staff
Dark Knight- Great Axe, Club, Marksmanship (crossbow)
Ranger- Axe, Throwing
Samurai- Sword, Polearm, Throwing
Ninja- Great Katana, Marksmanship, Throwing, (really?)
Dragoon- Staff
Corsair- Sword, Throwing
Puppet Master- Throwing
Dancer- Throwing
Beastmaster- Scythe


Axes that are both good for pet jobs and non pet jobs, IE add pet stats to an axe that has good player stats as well so bst doesn't take a hit by having a good axe equipped


And I don't know what Geomancer and Rune Fencer are skilled in, but I'm sure you left weapons out for them as well. These are all jobs that have C- or better skills in the weapon type listed, but there is no item level 119 weapon of that type they can use

Someone asked me to add Crossbows for drk and war I think to the list, it's not a B- or better skill, but, wth if you guys want weapons added to the list that your job has skills to use I'll make sure and update the list appropriately.

I've been skilling staff skill on Monk with Eminent Staff, so I know for sure they get a high level weapon. If you missed that one, you might want to go back and check the Eminent set to see if you missed any others. FYI WAR can use it too.

EDIT: I know you said ilevel 119 but 117 is pretty close - certainly still worth considering.

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Originally Posted by Ramzi

I've been skilling staff skill on Monk with Eminent Staff, so I know for sure they get a high level weapon. If you missed that one, you might want to go back and check the Eminent set to see if you missed any others. FYI WAR can use it too.

EDIT: I know you said ilevel 119 but 117 is pretty close - certainly still worth considering.

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All they'd have to do is add a job tag to those 119s that jobs can use, I'm not really asking them to add anything new, (I know that's what the title says but bleh there's enough weapons out there already), I just would like a few of the 119s usuable by the jobs that can use them is all.

Let me give you one example, there are 9 item level 119 polearms, and they are all usuable by drg only. It would be nice if they took one of them and made it War/Sam/Drg, the way it stands if I want a polearm on my war the highest I can get is 109, sam goes 117, and drg goes 119 so that's 3 polearms for jobs with b- and above skills. I don't really want to have to carry 3 polearms when one would do nicely. I could see having a couple at most if one was a relic, but these weapons are all pretty generic

Ah ok I see what you're saying. I do agree with that- especially in the case of Polearm/Bow for SAM.
And I made a mistake- WAR cannot use Eminent Staff. Only MNK and mages (except RDM)

Why would you list PUP in there lol... SMN will melee with a staff more than a PUP will ever even equip a throwing weapon. Hell, even BLM would probably do it more.

You don't ever use throwing weapons on PUP because even if there were any good ones, there is no circumstance where it would be worth giving up your pet commands (Must have animator equipped, can't equip a throwing weapon with it). The automaton's performance (not to mention yours) will be hurt far more than you gain by throwing anything.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Why would you list PUP in there lol... SMN will melee with a staff more than a PUP will ever even equip a throwing weapon. Hell, even BLM would probably do it more.

You don't ever use throwing weapons on PUP because even if there were any good ones, there is no circumstance where it would be worth giving up your pet commands (Must have animator equipped, can't equip a throwing weapon with it). The automaton's performance (not to mention yours) will be hurt far more than you gain by throwing anything.

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I wasn't picking and choosing which jobs should get weapons, if a person never uses a weapon then that's their choice, if they have the skill the option to use or not use should be totally up to the player. SE is the one that provided skills for jobs, I'm just saying add that job tag to a 119 weapon. It's not game breaking, it wouldn't take alot of time or effort to implement, if the skill is there a person should have the right to choose or not to choose a weapon that's all, but there are a few cases in the OP that are absolutely viable, war, and sam for instance, I just didn't want to seem all picky and choosy, especially with the balance problems SE already has in place.

Has there ever been a throwing weapon though with pup on it? Can't think of one. I think SE just got lazy and maybe had a doh moment when they gave throwing skill to pup.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

Has there ever been a throwing weapon though with pup on it? Can't think of one. I think SE just got lazy and maybe had a doh moment when they gave throwing skill to pup.

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There are, I made the comment just because there is no conceivable reason why you would unequip your animator to use one, because it would drastically lower your performance, whether you actually threw any or not.

Predatory, I know you werent picking and choosing, I'm just pointing out that most jobs can equip a throwing weapon with little or no detriment to their performance. PUP can not because of the animator (which people have complained about this fact in the past- the only "ammo" that works with the animator is automaton oil). So just pretend PUP has no throwing skill, because they can't equip one.

Also, as I mentioned before, Staff on SMN needs to be up there as well (though now that I look back again, I think you were only discussing alternative weapon types and not what they are already best with)

No there isn't any throwing weapon that has pup in it's tags. Only thing that has pup in its tags are non throwable ammo slots. All of the other ranged throwing a pup could use are things with all which don't really count.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

There are, I made the comment just because there is no conceivable reason why you would unequip your animator to use one, because it would drastically lower your performance, whether you actually threw any or not.

Predatory, I know you werent picking and choosing, I'm just pointing out that most jobs can equip a throwing weapon with little or no detriment to their performance. PUP can not because of the animator (which people have complained about this fact in the past- the only "ammo" that works with the animator is automaton oil). So just pretend PUP has no throwing skill, because they can't equip one.

Also, as I mentioned before, Staff on SMN needs to be up there as well (though now that I look back again, I think you were only discussing alternative weapon types and not what they are already best with)

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Smn does have staves though, unless it was a mt and you meant sam.

I left anything with a D or below skill off, because well the list would be way too long for weapons that would be barely functional at best, I mean sure some of us do like to war/mnk sometimes with h2h weapons on to pound the living crap out of something, but with a D skill it's mostly for shits and giggles not as something to do everyday, that's what mnk and pup are for

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but with a D skill it's mostly for shits and giggles not as something to do everyday, that's what mnk and pup are for

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mnk and pup aren't just for shits and giggles, but maybe I'm not taking your meaning correctly

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

mnk and pup aren't just for shits and giggles, but maybe I'm not taking your meaning correctly

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You're not. The point was that if you really want to use H2H weapons you'd play MNK or PUP. Using H2H on WAR/MNK would be for shits and giggles. Another example would be to say that it'd be weird for me to ask for 119 bows for my RDM, we have Archery Skill after all, but really it's just for shits and giggles. If I wanted to use bows, that's that RNG is for.

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Originally Posted by Demonjustin

You're not. The point was that if you really want to use H2H weapons you'd play MNK or PUP. Using H2H on WAR/MNK would be for shits and giggles. Another example would be to say that it'd be weird for me to ask for 119 bows for my RDM, we have Archery Skill after all, but really it's just for shits and giggles. If I wanted to use bows, that's that RNG is for.

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Exactly, fun to fool around with, but not something you'd ever actually take to any kind of event, but some of the choices I listed are actually viable, ie.Sam and War with Polearm etc

I would like at least one iLv crossbow my DRK or WAR could use.

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Originally Posted by Gannon

I would like at least one iLv crossbow my DRK or WAR could use.

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Does THF have one? Sorry not keeping up with things. If not, add them to the list!

Added marksmanship (crossbow) to drk and war on the OP

Thf currently doesnt have a crossbow, and that was in the original post

i would really like to see all of this, the jobs should get respectiv weapons to be able to use the meritable WSs and other stuff.

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Originally Posted by predatory

Exactly, fun to fool around with, but not something you'd ever actually take to any kind of event, but some of the choices I listed are actually viable, ie.Sam and War with Polearm etc

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SAM with polearm was only really viable when the thing most people EXP'd on (colibri) was weak to piercing.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

SAM with polearm was only really viable when the thing most people EXP'd on (colibri) was weak to piercing.

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Sam with polearm was viable well before colibris, and well after, there are plenty of mobs weak to piercing, and sam/drg is a tp machinem and if that weren't enough sam gets better polearm skills than it gets archery skills. SO sam/rng, sam/drg either way its a great combo. Giving sam a 119 bow but not a 119 polearm, seems kind of ridiculous to me considering sam has higher polearm skill than it does archery skill.

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Originally Posted by predatory

Sam with polearm was viable well before colibris, and well after, there are plenty of mobs weak to piercing, and sam/drg is a tp machinem and if that weren't enough sam gets better polearm skills than it gets archery skills. SO sam/rng, sam/drg either way its a great combo. Giving sam a 119 bow but not a 119 polearm, seems kind of ridiculous to me considering sam has higher polearm skill than it does archery skill.

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I am all for versatility, alot of Jobs lost their versatility in the weapon range due to ilvl increase.

SAM WAR had the benefit to swap between slashing and piercing dmg when needed. the bonus is gone mostly (ecxept for bow SAMs on WS), its an integral part of their job, if a mob is weak to piercing but resists 50% slashing (like giant birds!) you sure as hell bet I would rather change to a ilvl 119 polearm on my WAR (or use tomahawk). Just like monk has access to formless strikes for magical dmg and normal handtohand for blunt/raw physical dmg.

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Originally Posted by Damane

I am all for versatility, alot of Jobs lost their versatility in the weapon range due to ilvl increase.

SAM WAR had the benefit to swap between slashing and piercing dmg when needed. the bonus is gone mostly (ecxept for bow SAMs on WS), its an integral part of their job, if a mob is weak to piercing but resists 50% slashing (like giant birds!) you sure as hell bet I would rather change to a ilvl 119 polearm on my WAR (or use tomahawk). Just like monk has access to formless strikes for magical dmg and normal handtohand for blunt/raw physical dmg.

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It's basically about what we can and can't do with our jobs, along comes adoulin and suddenly everyone is put into niches, suddenly only rng and sam can use bows, polearms are really only for drg, axe is basically for war and bst, it's like they just got lazy on us, and said here, you're this job you use this weapon and deal with it. They keep trying to push this game in the direction of WoW not realizing that those of us that play this are either sick of wow, never played wow, or just plain like this game for what it is, and it is the most versatile game out there. There are no restrictions to race and job, all jobs on one char etc. It just saddens me

The sad thing is they started this weapons niche crap with the Magian trials. Oh, you're a job that can use these other weapons? Too bad, your job excels at this so you're only on this weapon.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

The sad thing is they started this weapons niche crap with the Magian trials. Oh, you're a job that can use these other weapons? Too bad, your job excels at this so you're only on this weapon.

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while that is true for magians, there was allways an alternativ that could be crafted and used by many jobs.

To the OP: You lost all credibility when you said "Puppetmaster" and "Throwing"

#JustSaying

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Originally Posted by Siviard

To the OP: You lost all credibility when you said "Puppetmaster" and "Throwing"

#JustSaying

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#is this twitter?

Read before you reply, it usually helps

Oh and by the way, I'm not the one that gave Pup throwing skill, SE is, you should he complaining to them about pup getting throwing skills, not me,

Hello!

We checked in with the battle and item teams and you’ll be happy to know that moving forward we plan on implementing weapons with high item levels that can be equipped by a larger array of jobs. :)

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello!

We checked in with the battle and item teams and you’ll be happy to know that moving forward we plan on implementing weapons with high item levels that can be equipped by a larger array of jobs. :)

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Nice, this is going to make the game even better than it already is, keep up the good work SE dev team

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Originally Posted by predatory

Here's a list of jobs with decent skills in a weapon type (skill level 368 unmerited), but there is no weapon they can use, it would be nice if tags for these jobs would be added to these type of weapons or weapons added they could use.

Warrior- Scythe, Polearm, Club, Staff, marksmanship (crossbow)
Monk- Club, Staff, (seriously no high level staff for mnks?)
Thief- Archery, Marksmanship, (crossbow used to be a thf staple)
Paladin- Club, Staff
Dark Knight- Great Axe, Club, Marksmanship (crossbow)
Ranger- Axe, Throwing
Samurai- Sword, Polearm, Throwing
Ninja- Great Katana, Marksmanship, Throwing, (really?)
Dragoon- Staff
Corsair- Sword, Throwing
Puppet Master- Throwing
Dancer- Throwing

And I don't know what Geomancer and Rune Fencer are skilled in, but I'm sure you left weapons out for them as well. These are all jobs that have C- or better skills in the weapon type listed, but there is no item level 119 weapon of that type they can use

Someone asked me to add Crossbows for drk and war I think to the list, it's not a B- or better skill, but, wth if you guys want weapons added to the list that your job has skills to use I'll make sure and update the list appropriately.

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Why don't I see bst axe, SCYTHE? Hmmm?

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Originally Posted by Malthar

Why don't I see bst axe, SCYTHE? Hmmm?

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Because bst gets a 119 axe and I overlooked scythe, I will put it on the list right now, that is what this thread is for

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Originally Posted by Lithera

Has there ever been a throwing weapon though with pup on it? Can't think of one. I think SE just got lazy and maybe had a doh moment when they gave throwing skill to pup.

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It's an all jobs weapon so it doesn't count. There are no throwing weapons that has Nin/Thf/Blu/Dnc/Pup as a tag or any combo of those jobs or that says Pup onry.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

It's an all jobs weapon so it doesn't count. There are no throwing weapons that has Nin/Thf/Blu/Dnc/Pup as a tag or any combo of those jobs or that says Pup onry.

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Why does all jobs not count? its equippable, that's all that matters. It doesn't have to be <random non primary job only>.

To me its just as much a middle finger to the primary job for a weapon when that job can't use it.

It doesn't count because Predatory stated tags for those jobs so if we were to look at items that have those jobs only in their tags then there is none that Pup can use. An all job tag means that even a job that has no skill in throwing can use it.

Either way you'd have to be a moron to equip a throwing weapon on pup... so... its a moot point.

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Originally Posted by predatory

#is this twitter?

Read before you reply, it usually helps

Oh and by the way, I'm not the one that gave Pup throwing skill, SE is, you should he complaining to them about pup getting throwing skills, not me,

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I did read before I replied, and it should go without saying PUP and "Throwing Weapon" shouldn't go together regardless of what SE did in the past. The fact you even mentioned it = your DERP, not SE's.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

It doesn't count because Predatory stated tags for those jobs so if we were to look at items that have those jobs only in their tags then there is none that Pup can use. An all job tag means that even a job that has no skill in throwing can use it.

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Those 'tags' mean nothing. People who dont have skill in throwing effectively can't use it because they will always miss. It's basically like they aren't on the item anyway.

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Either way you'd have to be a moron to equip a throwing weapon on pup... so... its a moot point.

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I agree. We're kind of fussing over technicalities that don't even really matter, I admit. Buuut, I'm pretty sure the original intention of the thread was that IN GENERAL, there needs to be more weapons that are equippable by more than just the main job that uses them.

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Originally Posted by Siviard

I did read before I replied, and it should go without saying PUP and "Throwing Weapon" shouldn't go together regardless of what SE did in the past. The fact you even mentioned it = your DERP, not SE's.

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I got what I wanted out of this thread, a dev response telling us they are moving forward with adding more weapons jobs could use. Now I personally don't care about pup one way or the other, but I really do hope there's a throwing weapon with pup on it, now more than ever. This thread was about getting jobs on weapons they could use, not your personal feelings about what jobs could use what weapons. This was never about pup in particular, this was about choice, and having choices limited, apparently you think people shouldn't have choices while I do not, you should run for congress

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Originally Posted by predatory

I got what I wanted out of this thread, a dev response telling us they are moving forward with adding more weapons jobs could use. Now I personally don't care about pup one way or the other, but I really do hope there's a throwing weapon with pup on it, now more than ever. This thread was about getting jobs on weapons they could use, not your personal feelings about what jobs could use what weapons. This was never about pup in particular, this was about choice, and having choices limited, apparently you think people shouldn't have choices while I do not, you should run for congress

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Why would you hope for them to add an item nobody will ever use, just for the sake of having said item in existence? Personally, I'd rather them spend their development time on.... anything else. Even, to tie into the topic, other weapons for secondary weapon users that would actually serve a purpose, like a good polearm for SAM or a greataxe for WAR or whatever. But a throwing weapon for PUP? There couldn't be a greater insult to the job, which could use just about anything else in the universe than a throwing weapon that is PUP only or explicitly has PUP on it.

I'm not intending to be rude here or anything, but I would hope that we get actual useful items out of this, rather than something nobody could possibly need or want.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello!

We checked in with the battle and item teams and you’ll be happy to know that moving forward we plan on implementing weapons with high item levels that can be equipped by a larger array of jobs. :)

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More axes without part of their stat budget spent on pet stats, please.