Do you think FF14 re-release will have any affect on FF11?

Back in 2010 when that "game" came out many left FFXI for FF14. It killed The linkshell i had been with since 2005.

Will 14 effect 11's numbers in any noticeable way?

Also out of curiosity how many subscribers does XI have? have SE ever said or hinted at a number?

It will, and the impact on XI will be noticeable, and it will be negative. It may not be devastating, though I think it cinches the need to merge for some of the low pop servers. We're going to lose some of our playerbase. It is going to happen.

How long will it last? A few months at least. 14 is a good game, and SE is deadset on making it the prettier sister, so XI will probably likely feel longlasting effects.

Afterall, playing two mmo's, at whatever level you play, is really impractical. The more you favor one, the more you'll want it keep favoring it.

Honestly with the turns this game has been taking as of late and the amount of people who have left, I would be amazed if it had little effect, in reality, I think this game is about to lose a large portion of its player base, and that will cause less money to goto the game while they are already short on man power, which will cause more issues, which will result in less content, which will continue to spiral us downward till the game actually dies. Its a pessimistic view, but, I can also see it happening.

Honestly, who gives a damn. Want to play ff14? go ahead. Don't want to play? stay here. FF11 will survive and though it probably will have server merges it won't die at least for another 10 years.

FF14 is not the same game and those who leave FF11 expecting to see a revamped game in FF14 will soon find themselves bored to death in another wow clone.

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Originally Posted by Spectreman

Honestly, who gives a damn.

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The people who play this game and wonder what will happen if to many quit? Common sense would suggest that if to many leave, this game will make less money, less money made would provoke SE to cut money going to it, less money going to it means less work being done on it, less work being done on it means lower quality and slower updates. Follow this chain and you can see exactly why people give a damn.

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Want to play ff14? go ahead. Don't want to play? stay here.

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Oh goodie, I have a choice.

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FF11 will survive and though it probably will have server merges it won't die at least for another 10 years.

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That depends on what you constitute as a dead game.

Is a game dead when it has so few people that it seems like a barren wasteland?
Well, in that case, 90% of this game is actually dead already, the only living part right now is Adoulin, Abyssea has a little life left, very little, but enough I guess you can say its alive too, so maybe 15% of the game is alive.

Is a game dead when it has no new content being added?
Well, depending on how many leave, and depending on how much money FFXI is still making, as well as how much SE makes off FFXIV, after all, if FFXIV flops, they might not invest in FFXI very heavily, after all, most players have left, and assuming more will after FFXIV. So all in all, new content could stop as soon as by the end of the year for all we know, it depends on how much money SE still puts into this.

Is a game dead when the servers go down?
This would last the longest I'm sure, but really, again, depending on how much money the game loses from people leaving, it could be much, much sooner than 10 years. You massively exaggerate. With how the game is going, the amount of players that have left, and so on, I doubt this game will last 3 years, let alone 10.



So really, before saying that this game wont die for 10 more years, please, define a dead game, because by some peoples definitions, this game is dead, apparently by yours, its amazingly alive and only half way through its lifespan, in which case, this is one hell of a midlife crisis we are going through atm.

i see it as SE wants 11 to fail with the way the game is going with the whole system with gear having level's. Just lazy on SE's part, but i won't have to worry about it since my sub is canceled and my character is gonna be deleted shortly. No chance on 14 though for me, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I'm not getting fooled by SE again with a MMO.

The idea that this game is specifically and intentionally being killed off by SE is almost as stupid as the idea it will live for another 10 years. Why the hell would a company specifically kill off a profitable game in hopes the players would move over to another game made by the same company with the exact same cost every month while also risking the chance of the players leaving and not returning via FFXIV, thus, losing money?

Yea I know several people going to play 14, taking a break from 11 once its out.

Its actually cheaper to play 14 then it is 11. If you bought the original 1.0 and have Legacy you only pay $9.99 sub for 40 character slots. SE actually loses money if a hard core FF fan only plays 14 over 11.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Its actually cheaper to play 14 then it is 11.

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Is it normally cheaper or only if you are a legacy person?

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Is it normally cheaper or only if you are a legacy person?

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It's only cheaper if you are a Legacy person which means you bought the original version of FF14 and played it for at least 3 months. Then again most of those people are people who play 11 and bought 14 got legacy status.

Ok, so I was right, its the same price, just not for special people who had 14 and paid for it for a few months, but the base and standard price is the same, which is what I meant. Just wanted to make sure I was not misinforming.

I wish i would get 1 Gil always if i hear OMG FFXI is dieing...

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Originally Posted by Kriegsgott

I wish i would get 1 Gil always if i hear OMG FFXI is dieing...

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Your dying, right now, by living you are getting 1 second closer to death, chances are you died a little while reading this post, probably a good 10 seconds worth of dying. This game is always dying, getting closer to death, its not dead yet, but its getting closer every day, its only a matter of time. If you deny more people are leaving the game every month, the fact that FFXIV will pull many more away, and the fact that very few are coming to join it, then your lying to yourself.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Your dying, right now, by living you are getting 1 second closer to death, chances are you died a little while reading this post, probably a good 10 seconds worth of dying. This game is always dying, getting closer to death, its not dead yet, but its getting closer every day, its only a matter of time. If you deny more people are leaving the game every month, the fact that FFXIV will pull many more away, and the fact that very few are coming to join it, then your lying to yourself.

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nice so none should play FFXIV because its already dying too yes? you know exactly what i wanted to say.....
and yes a lot people quited already i dont know how many people will follow but i dont care about anyone who quits for which reason i'm playing Campaign which "died" years ago and still have fun !

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Originally Posted by Kriegsgott

nice so none should play FFXIV because its already dying too yes? you know exactly what i wanted to say.....
and yes a lot people quited already i dont know how many people will follow but i dont care about anyone who quits for which reason i'm playing Campaign which "died" years ago and still have fun !

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Did I say the game would be dead tomorrow or you could not have fun? No, I simply meant that if you think the game is not dying, your only lying to yourself. The game constantly loses more people and very rarely gains, or regains any people who stay past the first month from what I have seen. Since that's the cast, population is going down, thus money made is going down, and the less money SE makes the less they are going to put into it I'm sure, so content production will slow, more people will get bored more quickly, those people might leave, cycle continues. As I said, your only lying to yourself if you think the game isn't dying, its not going to die tomorrow, but it is dying a little more each day. People saying 'I wish I had a penny for every time I heard the world would end on 2012' makes it sound like for one, you hear it far to often, and two, sounds like you do not agree, which is why I said it, because if you do not think its dying, you should put a little more thought into it.

Also...
You might not care about those who quit, but their quitting the game does change & effect it as I said above, which effects you, so you should probably care a little more about it.

Demon, He is from Leviathan, and my friend keeps transferring between there and Valefor, so I have a bit of second-hand knowledge...

It's a very healthy server so I've heard. While *I* agree with you, his personal experience make look quite different.

It really is like parallel dimensions, ya know? On my world, the cities have far more players in them than the outside zones, there seems to be more people afk than playing. On yours, It might be similar. But Leviathan...is bustling with people?

I've heard about 30-person lines at behe on other servers. I've seen the zone that packed once, and I decided not to go. Most times, there's no more than 10 people in the line.

I would not say Phoenix is all to dead itself, but at the same time, I have noticed a decrease in population to a point. I understand if some people are on servers which have a lot more life to them, it would be harder to notice or believe. But the end result is the same, we are on different servers, but we are on the same game, so every other server will impact him too. I just wanted to make the point that the game is dying, its just a matter of time.

@Demon i got your point and i even agree to the most stuff you ar writing here i guess SE lost a lot ppl because of the last update and some will follow soon because of ARR thats for sure but we dont know how many people will come back & stuff

i'm maybe wrong but i guess if there isn another Server Merge the loss wasn really "BIG Sized" and even if we get another Server Merge it will be fine for a while i believe this because Matsui doing a great job atm and he isn done there ar still lots of Ideas and much work to do we just need to give him time....

a point of my view i played FFXI if you were siting the whole day in Jeuno and had to wait for a PT invite for Bibiki Bay or sky we rarely saw a Update/Patch/Fix unless it was a New Add On this sounds very boring i know but people still managed to get 75 and obtain gear
i cant even count how many 18/18 Events i joined for Hakutaku and wiped and all the other stuff camping the whole day in Sea Serpent Grotto just to get a Joytoy for LS Members with 20+ people

we just had to manage our wait and needed to wait but what happend Today?
the most people can only do 1 thing today

I WANT UPDATE, I WANT IT NOW, not TOMMOROW, NOW !
oh shit i wiped to Bumble Bee hey SE is Bumble Bee overpowerd ? working intended ?

( just saw it now i came from Midgard moved to Leviathen because it had the lowest population sounds nasty i know but i preffer a dead server i didn even had a problem with Beastly Shank burn )

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Originally Posted by Kriegsgott

i believe this because Matsui doing a great job atm and he isn done there ar still lots of Ideas and much work to do we just need to give him time....

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Nice to see others are noticing. I thought I was becoming singled out.

I dont think the release of FFXIV will effect FFXI that much.
eventually all games come to an end, honestly I think(this is my own opinion now) the reason FFXI is on a decline is more because of elitist morons or noobs who never learn to play the jobs, cause its not like there isn't pleanty to do.
ofcourse the fact that the devs keep making good gear obsolete isn't helping either.

those of you who think 14 will kill 11 really need to think this through. 11 plays on more PCs than 14 does for the moment so no that wont happen.

Right now the only saving grace for 14 is the PS3 because the game isn't ready, its being rushed out the door yet again. we were promised that the game would run better on lesser systems than 1.0 did, but I assure you that isn't the case.
If you're video chipset(card) is more than 4 years old and wasnt a gamer chip back then chances are 14 will cause your system to choke even on its lowest settings.

so yeah eventually 11 will die IF the interest in it wanes enough. but who knows when that will be?
some of those who say it will be another 10 years before that happens could be right for all we know.

I'm hoping 14 is a success. I really hope it becomes #1. Then maybe the DEV Team from 14 can come back and help Matsui with 11.

Then maybe they will decide to remake 7 as mentioned before.

Then maybe they will recode 11 down to the last expansion.

Ok maybe I went a little too far there...

Will XIV affect XI after launch ? Yes it will , even XIV Beta was drag ppl's out when it was Beta time . But also i think server merge could solve that problem , so servers will be populated .

FF11 will survive just look at EQ 1. Some people do not like changes in life and others just play for the old feelings or remember when there were a kid,college,wife, husband,kids, and friends, or Just that first party in the dunes. One thing square got going for them is there a private company. So as long as ff 11 getting the 1% profit it will be good . Unlike EA and some of the other companies that been just about there 10% ever year and now people not buying there games, and there like wtf. With all the top programmers going to kickstarters.

The biggest thing is if ff14 fails then square going bankrupt route and then ff14 and ff11, and the entire franchises is up for sell. They wasted a lot on games that just plain sucked over the last few years. Then tryed to blame there fans for not buying the games. They change a lot in the last year though. It finally like the square for gamers again with ff14.

If ff14 succeeds then all they need for ff11 is a 1% profit and they will keep it running, They be stupid not to , but we will see slower updates and a lot different people running it as there moving there top talent from ff11 to there other games.

I think if ff14 succeeds and before they shut down ff11 be like 6 month to year after ff14 launch and when successful they would , put in a free to play model on ff11 before they shutdown ff11. They got to be careful when they save ff11 though at that time since, if make free to play to fast then people on ff14 be like well when do we get that. Double edge sword.

I don't doubt FFXI will be affected by the release off FFXIV. Hell, even during FFXIV Beta you could notice a difference, at least on Shiva I could. Seemed about 1/4 of the server was missing during the Beta (from eyeballing doing /sea all)

I wouldn't be surprised in the least after the release of FFXIV, there will be some server mergers. There's been a bunch of chatter amongst various groups I do things with, and it seems like a good majority of them will be moving on to FFXIV.

I know a LS I was in died because everyone left for the BETA of FFXIV....
So... I fully expect people to drop XI.
I won't, because I have no interest in XIV.
But I know a few players who will make the switch.

Will there be a long lasting effect? probably not. at least, not one that is drastically noticeable.
There will always be XI players... there just not be as many in the first few months of XIV's release.

Absolutely. Abyssea was originally FFXI's "farewell" expansion, and if FFXIV does well, I expect they'll do it again post-Adoulin, if FFXIV 2.0 does well enough. Honestly, I see it better as the EQ/EQ2 model. An old MMORPG (and FFXI is -old- at this point) is cheap to run and therefore can make a profit with fewer players. If they finally cut PS2 players out of the expansions in a year or two, it could run on an updated capacity of PC's and Xbox-level consoles for a long, long time.

I'll finally be able to pop these Beastly Shanks.

Luckily I can't afford a new computer for another year just to play FFxiv. By that time it will be make or break. I will say that I feel a server merge would be a good thing. Last night at 9pm (edt) there were 995 people on entire server and you know 1/2 of those were mules and afk, rare shouts and my ls talking about how the majority of the old time players in ls were going to 14.

I have to say I don't think this game is going to survive more than a year past 14 release, the game has half died since the 14 beta release and R/E/M issue. I ran 3 lses and since beta an R/E/M issue 2 are totally dead. I think there will be a good few people that stay like my 1 ls left is populated by players like me who don't want to start another mmo ever, when this game dies my mmo days die with it. but im not sure that there will be enough players left to make new content for, so will prolly finish up with the content they already developed then free to play. iv been on this game 6 yrs and I know allot of peeps been on almost twice as long. all good things come to an end

I cant speak for other servers but shiva seems to be doing fine BUT we are a very heavy JP server I would say 70% of shouts are JP and they run things here they dont seem to leaving for 14 any time soon, I have seen decent drop in English speaking players thou which makes me wonder will the launch of 14 be worse for the JP or NA players of FF11 hehe

JP players are probably running both. Do a handful of FFXI scheduled LS events and play XIV in between. Within a couple of months of XIV you'll be able to really see the impact if any. XIV converts decide if the game is worthy and THEN cancel FFXI subs.