Costume system

No not the items that grant you costume effect. Have any of you ever wanted to wear a certain armor piece but now it's considered outdated OR there's already something with better stats? I know other MMO's do it now, but truth be told it'd be -awesome- if players could actually take pride in dressing their online avatar up in things that they want. All you have to do is have the armor piece equipped at some point, then it gets added to your costume catalogue. This means that if you equip the entire iron musketeer set, yet you're now condemned to a look you don't want. Well, with the commands that I can provide below, you'll be able to reobtain that look while keeping the stats of the new armor.

/costume "Iron Musketeer's Armet"
/costume "Iron Musketeer's Cuirass"
/costume "Iron Musketeer's Gauntlets"
/costume "Iron Musketeer's Cuisses"
/costume "Iron Musketeer's Sabatons"

Each command will change your character to look as if they were wearing that piece.

Please consider this SE, you've been slacking lately and this would actually be a fun little thing people could play with while you do your thing.

Fully support this, as there have been plenty of great stat items with horrible looks over the years of this game, or good looking items with mediocre stats, most AF gear for example.

Not only is this idea easy to implement (Due to the game picking up on dat codes and whatnot) it won't hamper the PS2 system since we're using existing files.

We've asked for vanity slots in the past, I really don't see why we can't have it. There's no "limitations" card they can pull on this one.
Oh, and FFXIV is getting it. :/

Exactly, they did it (sorta) with the /displayhead on and off addition, why not go the whole way with it and do that for us? People have only been playing this game for 11 years, give them something to play with, let em parade in their old artifact armor. It'd give people a huge sense of nostalgia.

I'd rock perle set 24/7 if we had this.

the art team takes time to make these pieces of gear.. whats the point of them having an art team if you just overwrite it with your favorite gear look.

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Originally Posted by Umichi

the art team takes time to make these pieces of gear.. whats the point of them having an art team if you just overwrite it with your favorite gear look.

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The art team designed those looks too...

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Originally Posted by Umichi

the art team takes time to make these pieces of gear.. whats the point of them having an art team if you just overwrite it with your favorite gear look.

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Because I want to look like I'm wearing my old Gallant armor for PLD, or maybe wear my RSE armor in later levels but still have great stats.

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Originally Posted by Umichi

the art team takes time to make these pieces of gear.. whats the point of them having an art team if you just overwrite it with your favorite gear look.

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Art team made the look of my AF1 gear as well, sadly, they did not make the stats, which are mostly terrible to the point I would never use them, so sadly I do not look like I want to. Were this option taken, I would be able to use the look of many gear I would not normally of which they designed, and thus, put more of their work into use, rather than only the art which is used for the best gear around.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Art team made the look of my AF1 gear as well, sadly, they did not make the stats, which are mostly terrible to the point I would never use them, so sadly I do not look like I want to. Were this option taken, I would be able to use the look of many gear I would not normally of which they designed, and thus, put more of their work into use, rather than only the art which is used for the best gear around.

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Not only does this let people express their own personal taste Umichi, but this eliminates the "Clown suit syndrome" most MMO's are plagued by.

Bump because now that I've looked at things, EVERYONE LOOKS THE SAME!!!!

If we get this, can make some armour invisible too? I want to be a sexy topless Subligar wearing red mage without being gimp

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Originally Posted by Umichi

the art team takes time to make these pieces of gear.. whats the point of them having an art team if you just overwrite it with your favorite gear look.

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That's extra retarded. How many people are wearing pretty much the exact same thing? When new awesome gear comes out, the gear you used to use, no matter how cool it looks, goes bye-bye. "What's the point of having an art team" if all their previous efforts mean nothing to us now?

The art team took the time to make TONS of gear that NEVER gets worn anymore. There's so much gear from old content that STILL looks awesome, but you'll never see it, because everyone's using up-to-date gear to enhance performance.

Add vanity slots and there'll be a revival of interest in some old content, since people will hunt down old crappy gear that looks great just to wear it.

Really, there's literally NO downside to this idea.

Nostalgia-addicts would love this, too. Not just for AF. You could go do Adoulin content dressed in your Optical Hat and Scorpion Harness for lulz. XD Remember that? Remember those highly fashionable days, when the art team's efforts were rewarded with everyone looking like S&M wizards?

Good times. Good, ludicrously silly-looking times.

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Originally Posted by Puck

That's extra retarded. How many people are wearing pretty much the exact same thing? When new awesome gear comes out, the gear you used to use, no matter how cool it looks, goes bye-bye. "What's the point of having an art team" if all their previous efforts mean nothing to us now?

The art team took the time to make TONS of gear that NEVER gets worn anymore. There's so much gear from old content that STILL looks awesome, but you'll never see it, because everyone's using up-to-date gear to enhance performance.

Add vanity slots and there'll be a revival of interest in some old content, since people will hunt down old crappy gear that looks great just to wear it.

Really, there's literally NO downside to this idea.

Nostalgia-addicts would love this, too. Not just for AF. You could go do Adoulin content dressed in your Optical Hat and Scorpion Harness for lulz. XD Remember that? Remember those highly fashionable days, when the art team's efforts were rewarded with everyone looking like S&M wizards?

Good times. Good, ludicrously silly-looking times.

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If this had been in place back in the day, I might of went out and actually got the oh so ugly Optical hat. Yes, the hat was good, but due to its looks I was going to avoid using it unless absolutely necessary.

I'll support thi thread, though there was another one about something similar a while back.

I support this, except that I wish they'd focus on other things that are more important.

I've long wished for a set of high end armor that looked like the I.M. set the OP mentions (It's the Jeuno Ducal Guard armor).

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Originally Posted by Anjou

No not the items that grant you costume effect. Have any of you ever wanted to wear a certain armor piece but now it's considered outdated OR there's already something with better stats? I know other MMO's do it now, but truth be told it'd be -awesome- if players could actually take pride in dressing their online avatar up in things that they want. All you have to do is have the armor piece equipped at some point, then it gets added to your costume catalogue. This means that if you equip the entire iron musketeer set, yet you're now condemned to a look you don't want. Well, with the commands that I can provide below, you'll be able to reobtain that look while keeping the stats of the new armor.

/costume "Iron Musketeer's Armet"
/costume "Iron Musketeer's Cuirass"
/costume "Iron Musketeer's Gauntlets"
/costume "Iron Musketeer's Cuisses"
/costume "Iron Musketeer's Sabatons"

Each command will change your character to look as if they were wearing that piece.

Please consider this SE, you've been slacking lately and this would actually be a fun little thing people could play with while you do your thing.

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for a awesome idea you get a awesome like from me !

LoL the only negative I see to this... and I really should say "negative"... is that what use will we have .dat swapping for anymore... 0u0

In all seriousness... I like this idea... if only to cut down on the horrible clashing that some pieces make with others...
*shutupIloveProjectRunway*

I only dat swap because I grew tired of looking like everyone else. Give us vanity slots SE, otherwise it's gonna get very bland.

Over in the "possible oversight with the new ilvl system?" thread, Camate did a post that showed they might be considering this but have reservations about front line jobs looking like backline ones or Artifact armor and the like showing up on jobs it was not intended for. Along with for weapons it would have to be limited to within the same category.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I would be happy if what they do implement keeps it still limited by what could normally be worn by a job. As want to look like a DRG when on DRG, and a BLU on BLU, not a BLU when on DRG.

Well tbh they aren't the ones paying to play, we should have the right to -look- as we please, but still have the stats of the pieces intended for our jobs.

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Originally Posted by Hawklaser

Over in the "possible oversight with the new ilvl system?" thread, Camate did a post that showed they might be considering this but have reservations about front line jobs looking like backline ones or Artifact armor and the like showing up on jobs it was not intended for. Along with for weapons it would have to be limited to within the same category.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I would be happy if what they do implement keeps it still limited by what could normally be worn by a job. As want to look like a DRG when on DRG, and a BLU on BLU, not a BLU when on DRG.

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Agreed. If you limit the costume slots to pretty much whatever can be equipped by the main job, you should be good. In some cases AF looks infinitely better. Not to mention it might give value to all those art assets that go unused.

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Originally Posted by Anjou

Well tbh they aren't the ones paying to play, we should have the right to -look- as we please, but still have the stats of the pieces intended for our jobs.

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TBH it's their game they can do whatever they want with it... says so in the terms of agreements you signed you have no rights except to stop paying.

And honestly everyone does not look the same.. when I inspect gear I see a great variety of choices. especially now, in the past it might of been true when everyone was clamouring for AF3 gear and other endgame gear.. but the sad fact also is the peiople you see wearing all the same stuff are also the ones who probably number crunch i.e min/max or listen to what they are told to wear, or are so far ahead of the curve gear wise they have no other choices or all of the above.

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Originally Posted by Umichi

And honestly everyone does not look the same.. when I inspect gear I see a great variety of choices. especially now, in the past it might of been true when everyone was clamouring for AF3 gear and other endgame gear.. but the sad fact also is the peiople you see wearing all the same stuff are also the ones who probably number crunch i.e min/max or listen to what they are told to wear, or are so far ahead of the curve gear wise they have no other choices or all of the above.

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So you're going to tell me with a straight face: that most paladins aren't sporting the ogier/laeraedr gear, most DRK's aren't sporting things like mekira, and mages aren't wearing that new robe? Also thieves wearing the new Thurandaut (check spelling), Ocelome/Toci, oh and let's not forget the whole fact that most of the gear is so....strange looking, I can't ever picture a White Mage wearing some of it, because tbh it looks far too gloomy. Thief/Dancer/Blue Mage wearing that Toci harness, looks more barbaric than what I typically picture them in.

The idea of a costume system is to let the individual express their taste, are you going to downplay it because you don't like it but the majority of the community does? I don't see likes hardly on your posts Umichi, at least my ideas (for the most part) are typically harmless to ingame mechanics, and only offer vanity to a game that the players deserve to express themselves, this is an online avatar, FFXI is about number crunching, but I remember when jobs actually looked like what their name suggested, and not some guy/girl wearing a feathered hat/harness on 4 different classes.

I fully support a costume system in FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Umichi

peiople you see wearing all the same stuff are also the ones who probably number crunch i.e min/max or listen to what they are told to wear, or are so far ahead of the curve gear wise they have no other choices or all of the above.

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So these people are not allowed to look unique?

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Originally Posted by Umichi

TBH it's their game they can do whatever they want with it... says so in the terms of agreements you signed you have no rights except to stop paying.

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Shit, is there ANYTHING you won't white knight over, Umichi? What a total tool. This is possibly the worst example of white knighting I've seen around here. "I don't support an idea that would make the game more fun because SE can do whatever they want, so shut up and take whatever they give us."

Yeah everyone, let's blindly support SE in every bad decision they make. And when someone who doesn't work for SE comes up with an idea that would make the game more FUN, let's shit all over it. Because our holy lords and masters at SE have not blessed said idea.

When this game finally does die, it'll be because there's too many senseless fanboys like you giving SE a free pass to make the game suck, while ignoring all the malcontents whose ideas would actually make the game BETTER and help it survive a few more years.

So keep it up, white knights. Your ardent support is strong and sturdy. It's the perfect material to build FFXI's coffin.

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Originally Posted by Puck

Shit, is there ANYTHING you won't white knight over, Umichi? What a total tool. This is possibly the worst example of white knighting I've seen around here. "I don't support an idea that would make the game more fun because SE can do whatever they want, so shut up and take whatever they give us."

Yeah everyone, let's blindly support SE in every bad decision they make. And when someone who doesn't work for SE comes up with an idea that would make the game more FUN, let's shit all over it. Because our holy lords and masters at SE have not blessed said idea.

When this game finally does die, it'll be because there's too many senseless fanboys like you giving SE a free pass to make the game suck, while ignoring all the malcontents whose ideas would actually make the game BETTER and help it survive a few more years.

So keep it up, white knights. Your ardent support is strong and sturdy. It's the perfect material to build FFXI's coffin.

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Love this idea. Solves the issue of not seeing skillchain graphics (Since you won't blink), and lets players express themselves.

I would suggest locking all AF/Relic/Emp armor to their respective jobs, of course, but at least some mixing of mage/melee gear should be fair game.

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Originally Posted by Puck

Shit, is there ANYTHING you won't white knight over, Umichi? What a total tool. This is possibly the worst example of white knighting I've seen around here. "I don't support an idea that would make the game more fun because SE can do whatever they want, so shut up and take whatever they give us."

Yeah everyone, let's blindly support SE in every bad decision they make. And when someone who doesn't work for SE comes up with an idea that would make the game more FUN, let's shit all over it. Because our holy lords and masters at SE have not blessed said idea.

When this game finally does die, it'll be because there's too many senseless fanboys like you giving SE a free pass to make the game suck, while ignoring all the malcontents whose ideas would actually make the game BETTER and help it survive a few more years.

So keep it up, white knights. Your ardent support is strong and sturdy. It's the perfect material to build FFXI's coffin.

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There is no reason to go after another poster here. Ultimately all Umichi was pointing out was the fact if SE wanted to just tell us all to deal with no vanity slot/costume system or whatever you want to call it they could in fact just do so.

There is also this thing known as compromise, which would be a system that does keep with how SE would prefer different jobs to look and also allow us to customize our characters appearances, which could likely be limited to what one has set for a main job.

As to the game finally dying, its not going to be because of people blindly supporting the game, but due to SE not doing very much to attract new players to the game. As no new blood, only means less and less blood over time. On top of that, the game is not friendly to new players anymore. Yes, leveling is faster than the old days, but it is also no longer engaging. To me it feels like more of a chore now than it did before CoP came out. So tell me how you hook a person into continuing to play, when a large portion of their early play experience is not that engaging?

Personally, while I do support some kind of costume/vanity system, I would much rather SE not devote time to it yet as there are other things they should finish up first. Like Cait Sith and Atomos for summoners, and the RME updates that were mentioned. Especially since the RME being outclassed by weapons significantly easier to obtain is a deal breaker for many people, and it is not just RME holders that is a deal breaker for.

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There is no reason to go after another poster here. Ultimately all Umichi was pointing out was the fact if SE wanted to just tell us all to deal with no vanity slot/costume system or whatever you want to call it they could in fact just do so.

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Personally, while I do acknowledge SE has the right reserved to do so, they're catering to a global playerbase, and the game is 11 years old with most people never getting to know of the original jobs and their looks. Most of the time I see my LS encouraging newer players to skip artifact and just do af3, is that fun/right for the people wanting to look as they please?

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Originally Posted by Hawklaser

There is also this thing known as compromise, which would be a system that does keep with how SE would prefer different jobs to look and also allow us to customize our characters appearances, which could likely be limited to what one has set for a main job.

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SE has been literally butt-f**king us for the last several years, I'm pretty sure they don't like the word compromise, because they like to run the show for their precious JP player base and leave everyone else out. I do get however a job should pertain to their looks, it'd be rather odd seeing a Red Mage in Abyss armor now wouldn't it?

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Originally Posted by Hawklaser

As to the game finally dying, its not going to be because of people blindly supporting the game, but due to SE not doing very much to attract new players to the game. As no new blood, only means less and less blood over time. On top of that, the game is not friendly to new players anymore. Yes, leveling is faster than the old days, but it is also no longer engaging. To me it feels like more of a chore now than it did before CoP came out. So tell me how you hook a person into continuing to play, when a large portion of their early play experience is not that engaging?

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If you wish to talk about the game dying but you want to prevent it, then people need to start encouraging new players to do content alongside their leveling, that way as they grow, they learn the story, which was the original game plan to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Hawklaser

Personally, while I do support some kind of costume/vanity system, I would much rather SE not devote time to it yet as there are other things they should finish up first. Like Cait Sith and Atomos for summoners, and the RME updates that were mentioned. Especially since the RME being outclassed by weapons significantly easier to obtain is a deal breaker for many people, and it is not just RME holders that is a deal breaker for.

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If they 'devote time' to Cait Sith/Atomos, we'll never see anything get done. They don't care, they just want to crank out this bullhockey to keep people pacified until XIV comes out. I definitely understand the RME thing though, that kind of work deserves the superior weapon instead of these little cracker jack toys people call delve weapons.

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Originally Posted by Anjou

Personally, while I do acknowledge SE has the right reserved to do so, they're catering to a global playerbase, and the game is 11 years old with most people never getting to know of the original jobs and their looks. Most of the time I see my LS encouraging newer players to skip artifact and just do af3, is that fun/right for the people wanting to look as they please?

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It's about as right or fun as getting told to skip everything except bayld armor and delve weapons. Oh wait, people doing that tend to forget actually need fairly decent gear to do that in the first place in any engaging way. The whole skip everything from 30-98 mentality that seems to prevail now needs to go in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Anjou

SE has been literally butt-f**king us for the last several years, I'm pretty sure they don't like the word compromise, because they like to run the show for their precious JP player base and leave everyone else out. I do get however a job should pertain to their looks, it'd be rather odd seeing a Red Mage in Abyss armor now wouldn't it?

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Yeah it would, but with how you replied earlier to the possibility of a limited costume system is what sparked Umichi replying how he did, and then the post I last quoted. I'm also well aware that not much often changes in our favor, but I do know they do at least listen on occasion. How I know this is due to changes that were made to the weaponskills Penta Thrust and Skewer, as they used to have TP modifiers of damage and accuracy respectively. A good while back I sent in some feedback on how horrible Lance weaponskills were because would get stuck doing Double Thrust until got Skewer just because of consistency of damage and skill chain properties, and mentioned that their TP modifiers might be better off switched due to the nature of the weaponskills, alongside suggesting lance WS in general might benefit from some changes in SC properties. Now it may not have been my feedback alone that got them to change Penta to accuracy and Skewer to Crit, but this experiance at least showed me they do listen to feedback from the players.

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Originally Posted by Anjou

If you wish to talk about the game dying but you want to prevent it, then people need to start encouraging new players to do content alongside their leveling, that way as they grow, they learn the story, which was the original game plan to begin with.

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Agreed, however that is hard to do when rarely see truly new players as it is. Now couple that with either needing high level help or out leveling the content to do missions, and the general lack of good low level gear being sold, makes it hard for people to do the missions when they would be challenging and engaging for them.

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Originally Posted by Anjou

If they 'devote time' to Cait Sith/Atomos, we'll never see anything get done. They don't care, they just want to crank out this bullhockey to keep people pacified until XIV comes out. I definitely understand the RME thing though, that kind of work deserves the superior weapon instead of these little cracker jack toys people call delve weapons.

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Reason I mentioned Cait Sith/Atomos, is because of how long they have been in the works with no results, and until I see RME updates in an official patch notes, can only assume they are being given the same priority as those avatars. Currently outside of balance tweaks and new Adoulin content, nothing else seems to be getting done already. So while I would love to see a costume/vanity system, would rather other things that have been in the works get priority before it if at all possible.

I agree with the above post, that's how you argue and win someone over.

Huge bump detected! (Apologies!)

I have some really nice information from Akihiko Matsui in regards to a vanity system, much like what is being requested in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui

Matsui here.
Thanks for the suggestions.

We are actually in the midst of discussing a system that would separate the appearance of your equipment and the actual gear you have equipped. However, as this is a very large change it will take us some time. We’ll first be looking into a feature that will allow you to keep a certain appearance temporarily.

For example, we are imagining a system where you could equip cosmetic equipment and lock your appearance, and then switch to your practical equipment. As an added effect, we are also planning to make it so you no longer blink when switching equipment.

We’re currently working on this to be implemented sometime after March with the following rules:

• Locked appearances will automatically be removed when changing areas.
• Locked appearance wills be removed when changing your main weapon, sub weapon, and ranged weapon, as this change alters animations.
• Locked appearances will be removed when you suffer the effects of equipment removing abilities to prevent confusion.
• Restrictions will be imposed for PvP content as it could potentially be used to fake-out opponents.

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Awesome news, thanks Camate. ☺

Someone suggested a system EXACTLY like this back when these forums first started.

Plus... those features are in many free to play MMORPGS... like swtor ._. a bit different but still.

Is anyone else a bit sad that no more blinking will mean that gear swap macros will no longer allow us to sheathe/draw weapons while moving, and to use JAs while moving? It's been years since I've been forced to stand still for a blood pact command. I'm always running while issuing those now because the mandated gear changes for blood pacts have eliminated the animations for issuing a pet command.