Elements to be Implemented in the March 27th Version Update

Greetings everyone!

Please take a moment to read over the following post by Producer Akihiko Matsui regarding adjustments that will be taking place in the upcoming version update.

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Hello,

Matsui here.

I've been quite busy preparing for the release of Seekers of Adoulin and I'm sorry that my posting frequency has gone down a bit.

I'd like to make a separate post in regards to content related to Seekers of Adoulin, but I've been writing and erasing text, so for now I'd like to inform you all about the adjustments mentioned previously that will be implemented in the March 27th Version Update.

• Enmity Adjustments
  In regards to enmity, we will be performing the first stage of the content that was discussed previously. To start out, we will be making adjustments so that if the target is level 51 or above, the enmity generated in proportion to the damage dealt, and the enmity incurred in relation to the amount of HP cured, will be reduced. In the case that the target is above level 99, the amount of enmity generated will be reduced to 30% compared to before adjustment (the current level). We are also making adjustments at the same time so that the enmity gains from Cure V are reduced.
  
  While this isn't limited to enmity adjustments, we understand this is an element that we need to continuously follow and address, and I wanted to remind you that this would be the first step.
  
  
• Attack/Defense Ratio Adjustments
  This is in regards to the post I made previously about future battle system adjustments.
  We will be making adjustments based on the content described under the "Regarding Defense" header. After the adjustment, in the case that a player's defense is significantly lower compared to a monster’s attack power, the amount of damage received will be higher than what it is currently.
  
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  For the below values:
  Monster attack damage value = 100
  Monster attack power = 1000
  Your defense = 250
  
  The damage received will be as follows:
  Pre-adjustment amount of damage received = 200
  Post-adjustment amount of damage received = 400
  *This is just a simple calculation to make it easy to illustrate the change.
  
  To go along with the above, the below two adjustments will also be made:
  • The maximum value for damage dealt from the attack defense ratio will be adjusted so they are identical for both single-handed weapons and two-handed weapons.
  • The defense reduction penalty for "Counterstance" will be reduced.
  
  
• Embrava and Perfect Defense Adjustments
  This is regarding Embrava and Perfect Defense adjustments that were described previously.
  There have been no changes made to the aspects outlined previously, but I'd like to go over the adjustments once again. Along with these changes we will be making adjustments to various battle content, so I will be going over each of the adjustments planned breaking it down by content.
  
  • Embrava
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  • Perfect Defense
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For adjustments related to various battle content, we will be performing the adjustments outlined in my previous post and the follow-up made by Camate.

• Adjustments to Nyzul Isle Uncharted Area Survey
  Adjustments will be made to the levels of monsters.
  <table width="400" border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" class="ta01"><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="th01"><td width="45%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">Floor</td><td width="45%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">Level</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Floors 1-19</td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Reduced by 10 levels</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Floors 20-39</td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Reduced by 7 levels</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Floors 40-59</td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Reduced by 4 levels</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Floors 60-79</td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Reduced by 2 levels</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Floors 80-100</td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">No change</td></tr></table>
  
  *These changes will also be applied to notorious monsters.
  Adjustments will be made to the stats of a portion of notorious monsters that only spawn in Nyzul Isle Uncharted Area Survey. We will be making adjustments so that damage dealt will be higher than the current values when utilizing a mode of attack that exploits a monster's weakness, such as blunt attacks, piercing attacks, magic attacks, etc.
  
  
• Adjustments to Legion
  Special characteristics will be attributed to the monsters that spawn.
  In addition to the reduction of stats such as HP, attack power, and defense, we will also be setting special monster weaknesses. While some monsters stats will see increases at the same time as the reductions, it will be possible to defeat them much easier than before the adjustment when attacking their weakness.
  
  
• Adjustments to Einherjar
  Stats such as HP, attack power, and defense for Odin will be reduced for Odin's Chamber II.
  
  
• Adjustments to Voidwatch
  The range of use for Void clusters will be expanded to Provenance.
  
  
• Adjustments to Walk of Echoes
  Monster levels will be reduced, the "EX" status will be removed from each type of coin and sack, and sacks will be added that dispense multiple Devious Die and Liminal Residue.
  
  
• Adjustments to Salvage
  The drop rates for level 35 equipment will be revamped, and changes will be made so that monsters other than the NMs that spawn from ramparts in Bhaflau Remnants drop the same equipment.
  
  
• Adjustments to Twilight Scythe
  As was mentioned in a previous post, we will be changing the weapon so that the regular attacks are slashing damage and by using an enchantment they can become non-elemental.
  
  The enchantment can be used 10 seconds after equipping the weapon and will be set as below:
  Effect duration: 60 seconds
  Recast time: 10 minutes
  Charges: Unlimited

Finally, here are some other adjustments that will be made.

• Expansion of the /yell Feature
  As outlined by Camate, we will be expanding the range of /yell in the below manner; however, the addition of this feature to the Chocobo Circuit will not take place at this time until other features have been added to that area:
  
  Ru'Lude Gardens / Upper Jeuno / Lower Jeuno / Port Jeuno
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  Ru'Lude Gardens / Upper Jeuno / Lower Jeuno / Port Jeuno / Aht Urhgan Whitegate / East Adoulin / West Adoulin
  
  
• Changes to Mog Tablet Rewards
  As was mentioned by Camate, we will be keeping the Nomad Moogle statute and Talaria as prizes, but will be switching out other rewards. To keep it a surprise, we won't reveal which rewards have been switched, but keep in mind it's still a bonus type of item.
  
  
• Auto-translate
  Since it would not be possible to add new terms related to Seekers of Adoulin without deleting words that are not used frequently, we will be eliminating words to add new ones. Moving forward we plan to switch out words in the dictionary as well.
  

As I mentioned at the beginning of this post, I will be doing my best to make a post next week about the addition of Seekers of Adoulin content.

Also, we've been working extremely hard on other adjustments besides the ones described above, and once we are at the stage where we can share information I will be sure to make a post on the forums.

Thank you all very much.
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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings everyone!

Please take a moment to read over the following post by Producer Akihiko Matsui regarding adjustments that will be taking place in the upcoming version update.

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Originally Posted by Camate

I'd like to make a separate post in regards to content related to Seekers of Adoulin, but I've been writing and erasing text, so for now I'd like to inform you all about the adjustments mentioned previously that will be implemented in the March 27th Version Update.

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Demon Wall of Text!~

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Originally Posted by Camate

We are also making adjustments at the same time so that the enmity gains from Cure V are reduced.

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You are including the nearly useless Cure VI in the enmity reduction right? Right? (For the MP cost I almost expect Cure VI to reduce enmity...)

Is it your intent to have White Mages have to tradeoff between less efficient Cure V/VI with less enmity or bigger enmity Cure III/IV but more MP efficiency?

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Originally Posted by Camate

While this isn't limited to enmity adjustments, we understand this is an element that we need to continuously follow and address, and I wanted to remind you that this would be the first step.

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Will spells be included in the enmity adjustments, or will we see magic damage draw more enmity now?

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Originally Posted by Camate

• Attack/Defense Ratio Adjustments

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Should mages be stocking up on Tavnazian Tacos now, or will there be actual mage food implemented that provides a valid tradeoff compared to stacking defense?

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Originally Posted by Camate

As outlined by Camate, we will be expanding the range of /yell in the below manner; however, the addition of this feature to the Chocobo Circuit will not take place at this time until other features have been added to that area:

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This sucks, I was hoping the Chocobo Circuit would be a convenient gathering place for building parties.

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Originally Posted by Camate

• Auto-translate
  Since it would not be possible to add new terms related to Seekers of Adoulin without deleting words that are not used frequently, we will be eliminated words to add new ones. Moving forward we plan to switch out words in the dictionary as well.

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Is this purely a PS2 limitation or server side as well? Do you track usage frequency of auto-translate phrases used?

1-handed adjustments are cool, though I thought he mentioned something about increasing accuracy for 1-handed, and attack for 2-handed, instead of just increasing the pDIF cap. Either way, I can't complain.

I hope the "other adjustments" are RNG recycle adjustments.

Furthermore, something more needs to be done with provenance. It's an annoying, time consuming event with horrible drop rates. The problem is NOT killing provenance watcher or the caturaes (void cluster adjustment is unnecessary). The problem is you have to kill 6 NMs before you can even face the one you're really there for. All that needs to be done is to simply reduce the cruor cost of the key items.

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Adjustments to Twilight Scythe
As was mentioned in a previous post, we will be changing the weapon so that the regular attacks are slashing damage and by using an enchantment they can become non-elemental.

The enchantment can be used 10 seconds after equipping the weapon and will be set as below:
Effect duration: 60 seconds
Recast time: 10 minutes
Charges: Unlimited

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Will Ws be affected during this time? Talk about a waste of inventory space if it is not. At least leave it some use before I toss it ><;;

30% emnity drop on what I assume is all forms of damage, doesn't really seem like it'd change up much in the grand scheme of things, unless monsters start hitting for 1,000 damage normally that would necessitate a proper tank, vs. damage dealers in -DamageTaken setups.

Hello Camate :)

There is a debate currently going on at the other forums, and I'd like to see if you could clear this up for us.

Original japanese text:

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対象のレベルが99以上の場合で、調整前（＝現状）の3割程度に軽減されます。

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Translated earlier today by Slycer on BG:

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If the level of the target is higher than 99, it will be reduced to about 30% of the amount before the adjustment.

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Translated by you:

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If the level of the target is higher than 99, it will be reduced by about 30% of the amount before the adjustment

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Of course saying it's reduced by is completely different than being reduced to, so you can see where the confusion is coming from.

For example:
100% - 30% = 70% <<< Example of reducing it BY 30%
100% - 70% = 30% <<< Example of reducing it TO 30%

If you could please clear this up for us and double check it would be a great help :)

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If he used "o/wo" instead of "ni" as his particle then Camate's would have been correct, but as it stands, I'm pretty sure mine's correct. Maybe someone with more technical knowledge of JP grammar can help clarify.

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Sorry for the confusion. I didn't actually consider the difference in how it sounded with "by," but I can see the problem now. It will be reduced to 30% of the current value. I made edits to the original post as well.

This is nice start with the enmity. Now give PLD a subbable job trat(like lvl 49) that increases the enmity gained per damaging action back to its original value. That way RUN/PLD would be very viable, as long as RUN gets its own provoke type action.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Sorry for the confusion. I didn't actually consider the difference in how it sounded with "by," but I can see the problem now. It will be reduced to 30% of the current value. I made edits to the original post as well.

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Thank you so much for the quick response Camate :)

Will we see the New Sp's (1hrs, 2hrs whatever you wanna call em) implemented whit the update or are we waiting 2-4 more months to maybe get all that content wich been promised so long now?

Ok girls someone explain me why every endgame content gets ajusted except ADL ? Can we at least nerf ADL's HP ? Even legion got nerf to ridiculness. Not that it matters because noone does legion so even less will do it after the nerf, but still, ADL provides the means to get the best weapons in the game >< so people will need it ad infinitum. In other words marrows are becoming ~ 2x harder to gather.

hahahahaha



ok then now to respond to the adjustments:

actually looks really good, im impressed that SE's finally addressing these issues and actually succeeding in making changes that will have some feasible impact on gameplay. tanking for a few minutes instead of a few seconds should now be possible as the damage required to cap CE has effectively tripled

Camate, can we get clarification on whether or not the attack ratio adjustments for one-handed weapons will apply to Hand-to-hand or not?

Oviously it will, it makes makes monk the best DD +12.5%.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

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Originally Posted by Camate

• Adjustments to Voidwatch
  The range of use for Void clusters will be expanded to Provenance.

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First off: /vote no. Voidwatch is already farrrr too easy thanks to the overwhelming amount of skill-killing temporary items. Provenance is the one place in Voidwatch that you CAN'T take an alliance of freshly-leveled abyssea noobs wearing perle and aurore gear and beat it simply by using 5 Void clusters all at one time, please do NOT take this away.

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• Adjustments to Legion
  Special characteristics will be attributed to the monsters that spawn.
  In addition to the reduction of stats such as HP, attack power, and defense, we will also be setting special monster weaknesses. While some monsters stats will see increases at the same time as the reductions, it will be possible to defeat them much easier than before the adjustment when attacking their weakness.

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NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, and again HELL NO. Just hearing the words "special monster weaknesses" calls to mind visions of abyssea and voidwatch where setup is determined by proc jobs, and mobs are frozen for open, mindless zerg-fest. Legion is FUN because it is one of the only events that is actually CHALLENGING in this game, do NOT take this away from us.

This requires a much more detailed explanation as to how this is WON'T be a repeat of the proc-based disasters of prior events. Without such an explanation, this sounds like a terrible, terrible idea. PROC SYSTEMS ARE TERRIBLE!!! Now if it's more akin to disabling a certain TP move or ability...that's one thing, but the history with exploiting weaknesses is one of terrorizing the mob for mindless face-raping. I'm sure I'm far from alone in wishing for Legion NOT to suffer such a cruel fate.

Other than that, I have nothing but cheer (or tolerance) for the rest of what Matsui said. I'm in favor of Perfect Defense and Embrava getting nerfed globally, and for the enmity adjustments, and Dark Knights getting face-raped twice as hard.

Updating the auto-translate dictionary is fine...just do a study on what people actually USE in auto-translate...I.e: Don't get rid of such things as [Are you alone?] or [I don't know how answer that question.]

That's my two gil on the matter...cheer at most of it, but utter revolt at the proposed adjustments to Legion and Provenance. I realize these are both heavily Embrava-reliant events at this time, but I would rather see them made unbeatable for a time by the masses than made too easy in fear that the Embrava nerf will prove too severe for those situations.

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Attack/Defense Ratio Adjustments
This is in regards to the post I made previously about future battle system adjustments.
We will be making adjustments based on the content described under the "Regarding Defense" header. After the adjustment, in the case that a player's defense is significantly lower compared to a monster’s attack power, the amount of damage received will be higher than what it is currently.

Example:

For the below values:
Monster attack damage value = 100
Monster attack power = 1000
Your defense = 250

The damage received will be as follows:
Pre-adjustment amount of damage received = 200
Post-adjustment amount of damage received = 400
*This is just a simple calculation to make it easy to illustrate the change.

To go along with the above, the below two adjustments will also be made:

The maximum value for damage dealt from the attack defense ratio will be adjusted so they are identical for both single-handed weapons and two-handed weapons.
The defense reduction penalty for "Counterstance" will be reduced.

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Camate .... very big & important question. The other thread you mentioned raising the monster attack cap from 2.0 to 3.0, the above example is assuming a 4.0 cap. Monsters are already hitting people for 400+ a hit, does SE expect us to take 800+ in damage per hit? Also the other thread mentioned removing the monsters level based attack bonus, is this still being removed along with the raising of the monster attack ratio cap?

I mentioned these because if the level based attack bonus is not removed ... high level monsters will be dealing 1000~2000+ damage per melee hit on anyone who isn't an Paladin with Burtang. I know SE is wanting to make defense more important, yet 4.0 as a cap is extremely excessive if the monster is allowed to keep it's level bonus.

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Another thing that came up. Camate will the developers be doing anything about the rampant use of defense down by every NM they've created? Currently all the harder NM's use some form of aoe defense down move that renders our defense useless. Even someone with Defender + Cocoon + Protect V + Taco will have no defense if something like Aegis Schism, Bilgestorm, Tourbillion, Yaksha: Damnation, Shadow Wreck, Dark Star or Flank Opening hits them. There are too many -defense moves to name and they all make defense pretty useless of a state to use.

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First off: /vote no. Voidwatch is already farrrr too easy thanks to the overwhelming amount of skill-killing temporary items. Provenance is the one place in Voidwatch that you CAN'T take an alliance of freshly-leveled abyssea noobs wearing perle and aurore gear and beat it simply by using 5 Void clusters all at one time, please do NOT take this away.

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Are you trying to explain us you win provenance without procs and temps or something? Those fights are equally retarded as any other VW fights, clusters are good news if you dont have to gatehr 18 peopel to win. bringing 18 people =/= skill.

Where is the Elemental Magic update?

This is very good news, finally most endgame contents are adjusted to be more accessible and easier to complete. Amazing news for Voidwatch, now you can even do it with much more ease. Great thinking overall, looking forward for the expansion, hopefully they make one that will be able to beat Abyssea as the most amazing add ons ever created. It's about time we are getting a real add ons that is well done and accessible for all players. Hoping the contents are not limited for 4 years before you get to see most of them.

I want to know why these were changed. What was so broken about the twilight scythe?

Why is embrava getting the reduction? Because people are using it the way it was designed?

I really don't understand why all these things are being brought down. And i'd really like an answer. Not because I am ranting. But because it seems like these changes get made regardless of player opinion. I mean seriously. Why are you doubling the damage we take by mobs for having low defense?

Just some explainations as to why would be "VERY" appreciated.

I like all of this except for one thing, please make Embrava at very least 150 seconds rather than 90 seconds. The duration as it is currently going to be set to is simply much to low for it to really be effective. I understand the idea of weakening it, and its a good call, but the duration its currently getting will make it much weaker than I believe you are aiming for, to the point few will care to use it rather than more reliable buffs.

I am honestly more concerned about the adjustment towards monster's attack, let's say TP move use to do significant amount of damage 1k+ would this mean that after this update the damage would only increase further if you have melee using Berserk or DRKs in this case using Last Resort. I think this could be a rather problematic adjustment if not executed right making it for melee impossible to Berserk or Last Resort without taking to much damage which resulting being oneshotted by TP moves. If a TP move did about 1-2k before and if it only would increase further it would be impossible for melee DD to use propper buffs. Guess we'll just have to see how it turns out.

I just hope the developement team will take it into consideration not going overboard with the attack adjustments on NMs/Monsters making it impossible for melee using Berserk or Last resort without taking to much damage. If this only counts for melee hits while still being capped on TP moves I wouldn't see this as a to big of a deal. If this also significantly boosts the damage of TP moves, when it comes to hard fights or even future content it could pose an issue unless you think fighting something with multiple deaths is a good idea.

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Where is the Elemental Magic update?

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Right after the Collect Underpants Subligar update.

Poor Cait Sith. No one loves you. :(

Ryx, i am pretty sure the weakness system they speak of is exactly the same as what they described immediately above it. its not a proc. its a weakness. like how many mobs are more weak to peircing or slashin or blunt. aka skeletons are weak to blunt (hence KRT mnk parties back in the day.) colibri are weak to piercing. they want to make these weaknesses mean something again by makin it show more difference then a couple points of dmg.

ShadedOnyx i understand ur disappointment, i am as well but they ve explained these changes a lot already thru out the year. We might not understand them however. Im sad by the embrava nerf but honestly i couldnt believe what it did when it was added to the game. thot it was probably too powerful. problem is that they started designin stuff that was very difficult to beat without embrava. I dont see many people usign embrava at all after this. (i cant think of a time recently where mages didnt have enuf refresh somehow or another or using that much to need another form of it) but in changin it at least they are changin the things we felt we needed to use embrava for. Will it be enuf i dunno but im hopin.

Ive not done legion yet nor have i done alot of the other stuff (i have gottena brief taste tho). but i have seen a video of some guys killin at least 16 of the nms in legion in a run. which is more than i imagined from what i heard about it. So it must be possible.

It baffles me somewhat that people don't understand why most of these nerfs are needed when they've explained multiple times over the past couple months why these nerfs are coming.

Attack/Defense Ratio: "We can't just mindlessly ride berserk every time the timer is up now"- that's the point. There's no strategy involved if what the players are facing is "Our defense is so low berserk has no downsides anyway". If they make it so that defense matters again, you need to actually pay attention when to use berserk, when to not use berserk, and when to cancel berserk if its already up. I will agree though, that the only worry I have is stuff like Enraged Hydra that can already do over 1500 damage with Trembling even without berserk up. If the ratio is raised to a 4.0 cap for monsters that means Trembling is going to be doing 3000 damage which is obviously impossible to prevent. You'd need to wear 50% PDT, put up defender and such and you'd still take way more damage than is reasonable.

Embrava/PD: Don't think it needs to be explained further, these abilities broke the game into "buff, embrava/PD, zerg". There seems to be this misconception running around that they "designed" events around embrava and PD simply because the playerbase using them for eventse. If the playerbase comes up with strategies that involve nothing but embrava, that isn't the designers saying "this event is made with embrava in mind", that's called the playerbase using an overpowered tool that should've never been added in the first place.

The task is to chop down a tree. They give you an axe, a saw, and a laser cannon. That isn't them designing the tree only to be cut down by the laser beam, its them giving you a tool that completely outclasses the other ones when chopping down the tree was meant to be a task to help you build character. (In b4 someone takes this metaphor too seriously like most people on the internet)

Still, I agree that the duration should probably be just a bit higher than what it currently is. In the planned state it's hard to take full use of an ability that's meant to be most effective over time. If they just want to make it an "oh shit button" 90 seconds probably is still too short. Most battles last longer than 90 seconds. I think 150 or even 180 seconds would work better.

Twilight Scythe: Ouch, I understand why this nerf had to be done, but I think it went way too far. The scythe is basically useless now unless you're an entry-level DRK in need of a decent weapon. Probably would get Wroth Scythe before this thing, though.

The enmity changes are a good start, but all it'll do is allow for maybe 2 minutes before people hit hate cap instead of 45 seconds or whatever. Gonna need something a lot more drastic, and probably also going to need new hate spiking moves for the tank jobs.

Well with the changes to Embrava... get your Neo-Nyzul Isle gear asap (if you don't have it already), cause the level changes that are gonna be made on the monsters are neglectable, and are not gonna make it any easier with the many crappy floor jumps...

I'm concerned that easy content just got nerfed. There's other ways around the Embrava nerf. March & Tacticians Roll for exmaple; not as amazing and can be dispelled - but nonetheless, a healthy substitute. The few remaining tidbids of end-game don't need nerfing; that is unless you are prepared to offer end-game straight out of the gate with Adoulin (which I doubt)

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I'm concerned that easy content just got nerfed. There's other ways around the Embrava nerf. March & Tacticians Roll for exmaple; not as amazing and can be dispelled - but nonetheless, a healthy substitute.

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It requires 2 jobs to the the job of 1, seeing as the 4DD + 2 SCH, that makes 1 SCH, that might be changed to RDM or WHM, a BRD for march, a COR for tactician roll, that leaves room for 3DD, a COR can do some damage but personally not impressed by it, due to gun being a slow weapon, with embrava people can spread out and find and kill: all, single, Leader, Family, floors but with the nerf people gonna have to stick together, due to short regen, no regain, which making it slower floors gonna take longer then 3 minutes, where you have about 2 min per floor to get a win out of it really, so unless they add extra time to Neo-Nyzul, or make it possible to start at floor 51 there is only a real slim chance to even make it to floor 80.

I am all about making the game more balanced and people experiment with NNI to broaden the job choices for it, but atm i just don't think it will be possible.

I really hope the "special weaknesses" in Legion are things like the Naraka being made weaker to blunt damage rather than some sort of proc system. Not really a matter of easier or harder, I just like how Legion is a very straightforward combat event where success depends on mechanics universal to the whole of FFXI rather than a mechanic specific to Legion.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Attack/Defense Ratio Adjustments
This is in regards to the post I made previously about future battle system adjustments.
We will be making adjustments based on the content described under the "Regarding Defense" header. After the adjustment, in the case that a player's defense is significantly lower compared to a monster’s attack power, the amount of damage received will be higher than what it is currently.

Example:

For the below values:
Monster attack damage value = 100
Monster attack power = 1000
Your defense = 250

The damage received will be as follows:
Pre-adjustment amount of damage received = 200
Post-adjustment amount of damage received = 400
*This is just a simple calculation to make it easy to illustrate the change.

To go along with the above, the below two adjustments will also be made:

The maximum value for damage dealt from the attack defense ratio will be adjusted so they are identical for both single-handed weapons and two-handed weapons.
The defense reduction penalty for "Counterstance" will be reduced.

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I notice that no changes to Monster-Vs-Player level correction are mentioned here. Is something like that incoming and just not announced yet? Have plans changed in regard to it? Is a change to level correction coming later after seeing how things work with the new attack/defense calculations?

With just the change to attack/defense coming to pass and level correction left as-is, I worry that physical TP moves from high-level high-attack monsters are going to hit like the moon dropping from orbit onto my tenderest of bits.

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Originally Posted by Kincard

Attack/Defense Ratio: "We can't just mindlessly ride berserk every time the timer is up now"- that's the point. There's no strategy involved if what the players are facing is "Our defense is so low berserk has no downsides anyway".

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If there needed to be a down side, there'd still be a down side to Restraint.

Time to /toss Twilight Scythe, inv +1 and good job Square Enix for making it useless.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

If there needed to be a down side, there'd still be a down side to Restraint.

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It does have a downside- the movement speed down. I know you're going to argue that the movement speed down doesn't matter in application but the point is that you actually get the debuff and its noticeable enough so that it's less useful in events where you need to move around a lot more (NNI for instance). Berserk was always supposed to have a downside of making you take more damage but the fact is that in application you never actually notice it because players have such low defense as a standard. Making it so that the defense actually matters will make it more than just you going "oh no the number in my equipment window went down".

Count me among the list of people disapointed with the twilight scythe chance, and the embrava and perfect defense reductions. The system as it is now (With certain events offering a tag onto these abilities weakening them) was fine, but now embrava is placed into the category of inability. It took an ability which could be used to great effect, and destroyed any possibility of using it. The pace of fights has shortened a lot, its not something to ignore.

However no longer can the ability even be used in casual capacity, say an abyssea exp party where someone would want to enjoy themselves or test out its capability. We will adapt to the hurdles presented, but twilight scythe had little to no utility, and embrava was a tool used to fight a random number generator that didnt want players to succeed.

In short, twilight scythe was a flash in the pan, that has now become a no-longer desired item, and more than before, people will be discarding it unless it recieves some other utility granted to it. However the changes to embrava and perfect defense are excessive, and this is nothing short of an injustice and a mockery to the playerbase in my personal opinion. This is akin to teaching a child to ride a horse, then outlawing the ownership, sale, and purchase of horses.

If you do want to change the effects, reward those whom put effort into the abilities, make them skill related, or strongly examine, and self-test the events which they are utilized, and see if you developers, under optimal, and more realistic situations, can be completed, even semi-reliably. I strongly urge you to reconsider these changes, or again, simply tag events (similar to Salvage II) with the weaker effect abilities where you do not want them abused.

As for twilight scythe, it has become a cheap toy, a show piece, and something players will use as a hold over weapon, so as much as i had enjoyed mine, i sadly will be cramming it into the deepest corners of my storage, as the change does not warrant its use any longer.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

If there needed to be a down side, there'd still be a down side to Restraint.

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It does have a downside- the movement speed down. I know you're going to argue that the movement speed down doesn't matter in application but the point is that you actually get the debuff and its noticeable enough so that it's less useful in events where you need to move around a lot more (NNI for instance). Berserk was always supposed to have a downside of making you take more damage but the fact is that in application you never actually notice it because players have such low defense as a standard. Making it so that the defense actually matters will make it more than just you going "oh no the number in my equipment window went down".

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Restraint, Enhances your weapon skill power with each normal attack you land.

Retaliation, Allows you to counterattack but reduces movement speed.

Whoops, my bad, that's what happens when you only browse stuff.

I'm still not seeing the logic of "if this JA has no downside no JAs should have downsides". Berserk was obviously designed with you sacrificing defense for attack in mind, and now that they made it so that it actually matters people are moving to goalpost to "It should not penalize you at all"?

There are buffs that give increases with no downside (Focus, Dodge, Boost, Divine Seal, Restraint etc) and ones that penalize you in exchange for something (Yonin, Innin, Defender, Last Resort, Counterstance). If you want to argue that Berserk shouldn't actually have a penalty have some sort of reasoning behind it rather than just stating a random JA that happens to not have a downside, because that's not an argument when there's multiple JAs of both sorts.

The thing is, Restraint originally did have a down side: a critical hit rate reduction. They deliberately removed that penalty, to the point where the ability's name doesn't even make sense any more.

If "BALANCE!!111!!" were as important to the game as you claim, they'd have at least found a new penalty to restrain Warriors by now.

And yes, there are /ja's with no down side, but note that none of the ones you listed are for WAR (except Restraint). It's clear that the original design intent for WAR was to play with trade-offs (Berserk, Defender, Aggressor), but that has apparently been abandoned.

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I am all about making the game more balanced and people experiment with NNI to broaden the job choices for it, but atm i just don't think it will be possible.

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DD+DD+DD+DD+BRD+SCH

BRD stays at lamp and has to know the timer on their songs, keeping track of when they will go down. The BRD must also have as much +duration gear as possible as well as 5/5 on Troubadour and Nightingale and preferably with the Emp harp as well. BRD uses double marches, if they have an Emp harp they use it for move speed songs on leader floors or spec enemy floors while DDs use Sneak/Invis, it wears when you are hit but till you engage the NM it works to speed you up.

SCH moves out and cures like in current NNI. Using Regen as it goes down keeping it on DDs, without Embrava you can use Regen V to mimic the effects but you have to keep an eye on it. SCH should also try to keep Adlo and Haste on all DDs if possible to speed up killing, as well as possibly Phalanx since it works so well in combo with PDT especially if your DDs have PDT sets for running, and a Hybrid for DDing. Embrava may not be as powerful in raw DD power as it is now, but you can still use it if you make it to 80 or 100 to zerg the boss down faster and easier.

To me it does not sound to implausible to do it that way, people just have to be more careful and pay more attention. Mainly with buff timers, the BRD most importantly must make sure they watch their songs duration so they know when Marches will go down and cast them again before they do. The SCH also has to keep an eye on MP since they will be doing more casting than before, and watching timers for their buffs as well, when the BRD buffs at the start of a floor there is a delay where everyone will be together, SCHs need to abuse that delay for their buffs as well. Overall, I think it could be done, but it will take more skill & luck to pull through, I believe floor 80 will easily become the new target for 90% of people doing it, if not everyone who does it legitimately.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

The thing is, Restraint originally did have a down side: a critical hit rate reduction. They deliberately removed that penalty, to the point where the ability's name doesn't even make sense any more.

If "BALANCE!!111!!" were as important to the game as you claim, they'd have at least found a new penalty to restrain Warriors by now.

And yes, there are /ja's with no down side, but note that none of the ones you listed are for WAR (except Restraint). It's clear that the original design intent for WAR was to play with trade-offs (Berserk, Defender, Aggressor), but that has apparently been abandoned.

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Restraint was a pretty poorly designed ability when it was first created. The crit decrease and overall pretty small WSD+ made it so that it was basically never worth using. I guess the idea was to decrease your white damage and increase your WSD for a tradeoff between the two, but of course everyone was obsessed with Ukko's Fury so increasing WSD while lowering crit rate probably hurt it more than it helped. Personally I think it probably would've made more sense to do something like decrease attack speed, greatly increase STP and WSD.

There are other JAs for WAR with no real downsides (Warcry, Blood Rage). I guess I'm still trying to understand how you're going from "Restraint has no downsides" to "Berserk should have no downsides". Personally I think making the defense down on Berserk an actual consideration (And by extension possibly even giving Defender some use even though it's never had any use, like, ever) will be interesting for more dynamic combat. I dunno.