Avatar Stats

Hi there,

I have been playing this game on and off. The one job that i like is smn. But I do have questions. So, I thought I would post my question here.

Has there been, or has anyone been able to do a break down of avatar stats? passive trates that they have (e.i Craby auto-regen at level 25).

There is a noticeable difference in dmg from carby and any of the rest of the avatars. Does avatars have stats boosted to that aligned element? (e.i Ifrit has higher str?)

BST pets have trates, and as demostraghted, carby gains a trate at level 25. What other trates do the avatars exibit?

Comments, thoughts and speculation is all welcome

Check wiki, each avatar has their own uniqueness - example Garuda strong vs wind and earth elemental based attack, will resist petrify easily... Hence if you look at the summoner compendium I created, certain avatar is used because of their passive traits to ensure win.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

Check wiki, each avatar has their own uniqueness - example Garuda strong vs wind and earth elemental based attack, will resist petrify easily... Hence if you look at the summoner compendium I created, certain avatar is used because of their passive traits to ensure win.

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Can I get a link to that? I would also like to see some further info. Aside from elemental affinities I don't know of any avatar traits (which I attribute to my lack of research in that area, not to the lack of information).

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Garuda
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ramuh
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ifrit
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Titan
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Shiva
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Leviathan
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Fenrir
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Diabolos

There doesn't seem to be a lot of research in the area. Most likely because for years, the actual summons were considered basically useless outside a few blood pacts and Summoner was just a healer with a large MP pool and weaker spells.

I don't think they specifically have attributes bonuses towards their aligned stat, but they do have unique attributes. There probably is some correlation between them, but I'm not sure if there is an intentional one actually based on the element rather than just the base stats for the avatar. Carbuncle does seem to have lower than normal attributes, but that is most likely due to him being the easiest avatar to get and having the lowest base perturbation cost.

We hen fight primes, we normally fight on their weakday.

So in the same vain, our avatars should also have the same corolation. But we have no idea how the day effects the avatar we summon.

Come to that, we dont know if weather or double weather effects them too.

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Originally Posted by Vat

We hen fight primes, we normally fight on their weakday.

So in the same vain, our avatars should also have the same corolation. But we have no idea how the day effects the avatar we summon.

Come to that, we dont know if weather or double weather effects them too.

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That's simply because of the elemental day/weather bonus. Elemental spells and abilities gain damage and possibly accuracy boosts with matching day. This applies to everything, including the spells our avatars use (like Wind Blade, for example).

There's actually been a pretty good deal of testing on avatars over on the Allakhazam forums over the years. Here's some of the more recent tests. All credit goes to kegsay for his awesome dedication to finding these things out for us.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...24050111674199
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...&num=10&page=1
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...&num=38&page=1
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...&num=24&page=1

Let's see if I can remember some of the other things that have come up... (I may be remembering some of these things wrong, so please feel free to correct me.)

Essentially, all of the celestial avatars are Black Mages; good ole Carby is a White Mage. They have Job Traits appropriate to their jobs. For example, Carby gets his Auto-Regen exactly at 25, the same level a White Mage does.

The avatars, while undeniably having very hefty individualized elemental resistances, all have identical physical stats (Str, Dex, etc) This means that Ifrit does not have higher Str than the others, that Shiva does not hav higher Int than the others, and so on. Carbuncle does less damage than the others because of the way his damage is calculated (which is covered in the first link I provided).

All of the avatars have the same attack delay, bar one. Fenrir actually has a lower delay than all the others. Garuda can even it out with her Hastega, however.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

That's simply because of the elemental day/weather bonus. Elemental spells and abilities gain damage and possibly accuracy boosts with matching day. This applies to everything, including the spells our avatars use (like Wind Blade, for example).

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I don't think this one ever came up formally. So far as I can tell, (annecdotal evidence only, I know, but backed up by years of being a Summoner) this is the only effect that weather and day has on an avatar.

Thanks for providing those links!

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Originally Posted by Mokeil

Let's see if I can remember some of the other things that have come up... (I may be remembering some of these things wrong, so please feel free to correct me.)

Essentially, all of the celestial avatars are Black Mages; good ole Carby is a White Mage. They have Job Traits appropriate to their jobs. For example, Carby gets his Auto-Regen exactly at 25, the same level a White Mage does.

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This is quite correct. Elemental avatars also get Magic Attack Bonus just like regular BLM (+40 at Lv99), which further supports that theory.

Is Fenrir a BLM too? He hits a hell of a lot faster and harder than the others, leading me to believe that he is not a BLM. Or is it simply like the rest are holding ele staves, and he is wielding a relic/empy?

I was under the impression Fenrir was shown to be a Dark Knight, Which accounts for his generally higher damage, due to Attack Bonus being of his traits.

This is old information though, I know the Avatars are all BLM, Except Carby, who is WHM (Auto-Regen, etc)....

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Originally Posted by Mokeil

The avatars, while undeniably having very hefty individualized elemental resistances, all have identical physical stats (Str, Dex, etc) This means that Ifrit does not have higher Str than the others, that Shiva does not hav higher Int than the others, and so on. Carbuncle does less damage than the others because of the way his damage is calculated (which is covered in the first link I provided).

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None of the tests show this. All it shows is that Fenrir and Garuda do approximately similar damage and Carbuncle does less than either. Fenrir and Garuda also have roughly equivalent Strength. That is the only attribute that was tested. You are making a huge jump right there. In addition, the testing methodology used completely eliminates secondary attributes, which have a substantial impact on fighting level appropriate enemies.

Having the same damage ceiling does not mean they are functionally identical outside elemental resistances. The person doing the testing even mentions that Fenrir might have a built in attack bonus, since it was the only way to explain why Fenrir was demonstrating higher damage consistently in another test that wasn't just checking the damage ceiling.

They might end up being functionally identical when fighting enemies far below your level because secondary attributes don't come into play anymore, but that's not the same issue. All this test demonstrates is that Garuda and Fenrir use the same damage formula and have approximately similar Strength values. You could say the same thing about Paladin and Dark Knight.

I swear Garuda has more evasion the others too. Mobs seems to miss her a lot more. Maybe I'm just crazy :P. I'll just say she's aTHF job for the hell of it . Give her TH so SMN can farm dyna as good as bsts lol.

Well, Garuda definitely has +40 MAB at 99, and same as BLM at other levels as well, so that's a good hint. I'm not sure if that applies to Diabolos too, but Fenrir also possesses that much. I can test it tomorrow after I sober up. Maybe their subjobs differ? Garuda BLM/THF or something? That would be harder to test, though, unless they show some characteristic stats/traits of said subjobs.

Thank you for the input.. ty for the links I am going to give them a good look through. I didnt know this sort of testing had been done before.

I hadnt really put it all into the context of jobs before now.. but it does make a lot of sense. But, if they do have subjobs.. that will be a nightmare to test and find out.

Tho I will admit one thing now. It does seam odd that our pet, that is normally a meat shield for the smn, is a BLM, cause they are normally squishy.

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Originally Posted by Mathieu

None of the tests show this. All it shows is that Fenrir and Garuda do approximately similar damage and Carbuncle does less than either. Fenrir and Garuda also have roughly equivalent Strength. That is the only attribute that was tested. You are making a huge jump right there. In addition, the testing methodology used completely eliminates secondary attributes, which have a substantial impact on fighting level appropriate enemies.

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Well, you've got me there. I've been trying to remember where I saw this and can't for the life of me recall. I almost wanted to say that I saw that here, of all places, with a reply from SE stating that they made them all even stat wise so that we would choose them for the appropriate situation based on their element, and not just use Ifrit all day because he had higher Str. A quick perusal of the 11 pages here didn't turn up anything promising, though.

I'll see if I can dig up some testing to back up my claims during my down time at work this week. If I can't I'll add a disclaimer to that post.

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Originally Posted by Infidi

I swear Garuda has more evasion the others too. Mobs seems to miss her a lot more. Maybe I'm just crazy :P. I'll just say she's aTHF job for the hell of it . Give her TH so SMN can farm dyna as good as bsts lol.

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She's Wind, most wind based monsters have high-evasion, wouldn't be surprised if Garuda did too.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Garuda

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One thing that was left out of Whispering Wind Description, it also heals Garuda as well, not just Party members.

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Originally Posted by Teraniku

One thing that was left out of Whispering Wind Description, it also heals Garuda as well, not just Party members.

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Maybe it's based off the in game text ? IDR exactly though that's what the desc of it was though. :)