RMT to like or not to like? That is the question.

I've been adding people who whisper me with gold selling spam, people who shout for FCs and casinos to my blacklist since I know a lot of people who do FC parties and casinos are RMT. I had a couple of friends who were addicted to gambling with casinos and invited a casino who I had blacklisted into the guild. I expressed my distress at them for doing that and said that it would associate us with RMT, and I got a mouthful from one of the leaders saying that RMT were what were keeping the game and economy growing and that hating RMT is so 2006. As far as I'm aware buying gil is against the game rules, unless I misread something or the rules for it were altered. So is it wrong for me to dislike RMT and to actively be in support of the TOS?

Most of those FC and RMT accounts get banned or expired after two weeks; that's why the names keep changing. I wouldn't worry about the person staying in your linkshell for long term.

Personally, I don't care whether they're there or not, I don't bother with them and usually that means they don't bother me.

Are you talking about Mervis, or whatever his name was?

RMT don't do Casinos and if anyone associate's your LS with that, they're prejudiced morons. And who cares what you like or dislike. I'm not sure I see the point of this thread. Do you want us to share our opinions on what you should like/dislike? If that's what you want: liking/hating anything because of the rules is stupid. Like or hate RMT because they upset the game economy and game balance, not because the ToS tells you to hate them. Actively supporting an archaic set of rules for the sake of the rules themselves instead of their content makes you seem like a mindless drone. As for the Casino guy, hate him for spamming Jeuno with his shouts instead of possibly resembling RMT.

(And fyi, many FCers are not RMT either.)

I have always been under the impression that it's legit players that do the casino thing, and not RMT.

Not sure about Mervis tbh. He/she shouts at all hours of the day with a few breaks here and there, but at the same time I've seen them in abyssea occasionally. My guess it's just an alt, or possibly a shared account that some people run a casino out of. The time I saw them in abyssea they were wearing nothing but their usual opaline set, but had a kclub and were whm/dnc so idfk.

I think most of the cleavers are RMT (shit gear, if wearing gear at all), always with a lvl 1 starter RSE shouter in PJ shouting enrgish.

That said, Mandragora is most definitely NOT RMT, and runs some absolutely incredible cleave parties. Aside from great exp, you're always going to get your moneys worth and then some. My wife has gone a few times and only paid for 3 hours, and come back 5 hours later still in the party. Unlike the RMT, he won't just boot you when your time is up provided you're not taking the slot of a potential paying customer. He also has everyone /random now and then for a chance at having your cleave be free.

No Acorn, I'm not seeking sides here. I'm just wanting to know if my dislike for them for harrassment spam, deliberate breaking of rules and ruining the game experience and economy is right or wrong, because that mouthful I got last night made me feel very uneasy and confused and wondering whether the rules on RMT had been relaxed that players were now supporting them rather than reporting them.

A lot of the FCs on our server are RMT. They frequently change names but they do the same shout and those who pay for them will end up shouting in Jeuno an hour or two later saying they got kicked out too early, or that the FC people were rubbish or spent half the time afk themselves, and swearing at them being RMT FC.

I played during early FFXI and back then the casinos were RMT and scammers that would take the gil then log out, after coming back from a 5 year break I still have that imprint in my mind that they're RMT or scammers so being in the same shell as one makes me very uncomfortable. I don't know about Mervis either, other than he talks Engrish. Even if he or the other recent ones are legit their frequent 4-5 line macro spamming in Jeuno is very annoying so I blacklist them all. I don't know if casinos are against TOS or not but I'd rather not involve myself with them since I'm not into gambling.

Anyways, I got the answer I was after. Thank you.

As far as I know gambling isn't against the terms of service (otherwise, why would there be gambling tables as part of the game?), and since making Gil isn't the problem it used to be I can't see why a casino can't be run by non-RMT.

...there are people who didn't think the casinos were scams?

If you were in a FC run by an RMT, they'd usually give you your money back if they were sucking and told them within the first hour or so.

The problem are the people who fail hard and go under the guise of a legit FC, only to keep on wiping.

Casinos are just annoying pricks, I blist them as soon as I see their first shout.

This might be a little off topic: About the RMT thing, I think RMT is becoming much more widely accepted now. Personally, I blame Blizzard. They've been saying for like a year now that a fully functional and integrated RMT AH will be built into Diablo 3, which has sold like 10 million copies last I saw. It's not that Blizzard sells the items though, everything on the RMT AH is listed by players, and other players buy them, or they get sent back. I think this single event is really bringing all the RMTers out of the woodwork to try and make it seem ok. I hadn't gotten an RMT tell to buy gil in like 2 years, and this week I've gotten 3 different ones. I would personally really like to know what the people in charge of FFXI think about this, since afterall, every game company wishes they could have the same success Blizzard does, and tries to copy a lot of what they do, http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/48205 even the FF14 team.

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Lastly, here’s another excerpt from my E3 trip: The day after E3 ended, I had the opportunity to visit one of my most admired game studios—Blizzard Entertainment!

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This is the first line about his trip to Blizzard, it goes on more, but you get the idea.

real money auction house is in D3 an already getting heat from it... a person bought a item for $200, said item was then nerfed.

whole community was foaming at the mouth.

as for casinos..... that can be reported on actually. Not for rmt but for community appeal. SE does have rules about things that make the community sub par. if you wanna gamble SE added betting tables in the game. higher stakes one are in jeuno.

I hate RMT because I'm supposed to, but the reality is that back in the day they were the main synthers, they were the ones flooding the market with expensive +1s and gear that others weren't really synthing. I remember that once Square went hardcore after RMT, I noticed the auction house started to slowly have certain gear/weapons disappear, where there was once 15 of them up and 12 of them were +1s, now there is 1 up once in a while and +1s were becoming a rarity. So RMT had it's upside, the did the work that others didn't. I won't ignore the downside though, I couldn't camp any NM to sell the drops, then they changed the drops so they would drop rare/ex versions, then Square screwed us with Octave Club barely being a shadow of what the Kraken Club was, why were we punished for the behavior of RMT with the pointless limitations put on the Octave Club? That always bothered me...

I agree with you there Apie, the Octave Club is a horrible rare/ex replacement, and with some bosses the rare/ex replacements are just as horrible to get as the rare versions were. I thought I'd grab myself a couple of sam items from Oztroja for partying with in CN. After 8 boss spawns from Hoo Mjuu and 1 spawn of Quu whatever the rest of their names are I gave up. In the time I spent there hoping to get some decent items I could've already surpassed their use in a decent xp group.

thats not really the case actually... nor can it be proven... ppl stoped crafting period. It was a "waste" to buy crafted gear cuz nm drops was better. Not AH is near empty cuz all ppl do is burn in caves naked or in low lvl gear. till af or aby af.

also wish. Yoshida never went to blizzard... he went to their booth @ e3 to talk with some devs he admired.
but as u guys keep pointing out ffxiv is a different game don't talk about it in ffxi forums...

Say speaking of those gambling tables anyone have any idea how they're used? I never actually seen one in use before.

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Say speaking of those gambling tables anyone have any idea how they're used? I never actually seen one in use before.

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there tiggered you see game table all u do is group up ppl clixck play add their bet and play dice. winner gets the pot.

the high rollers are in lower jeuno by mendi think 1000 bets with 3 ppl.

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No Acorn, I'm not seeking sides here. I'm just wanting to know if my dislike for them for harrassment spam, deliberate breaking of rules and ruining the game experience and economy is right or wrong, because that mouthful I got last night made me feel very uneasy and confused and wondering whether the rules on RMT had been relaxed that players were now supporting them rather than reporting them.

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In the tone of this part of your post, you already have your mind made up, otherwise you would have posted impartially about it.

Personally I don't give a parp about RMT, casino's or any of that kind of activity. It happens, disliking it won't stop it, and it's always going to be there (although it's massively reduced now). Fighting a little personal vendetta on it won't change the world, and while I won't associate with them, they do keep economies in balance, as they want things to sell, whereas players tend to crash economies by undercutting and saturating a market.

If you do want an impartial response to a question, try not making the question so heavily against the subject you are trying to get a balanced opinion on though.

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That train of thinking is a bit flawed with human behavior. Mostly dipicted over history and current events. Only the tolerance is preventing change. Rmt do not help econamies... And markets need to go up and down if the supply is high sell low if the demand is low sell high. But with use of auction houses this can't happen as we bid on items, not buy out right. We are just under the illusion cuz we tend to get the item right away @ the price of said item past history. Visit a real auction sometime. Pretty much ppl take item which get appraised, then placed on bids... and it goes to the person with the most money. PPl just use the AH like a market and deem value on price history... which can be silly as anyone can set any price, which is fueled with a community who will put up the money for it, rather then question the price.

also what u see as "under cutting" and "saturation" is basic supply and damand. Which happen in any real world market. prices are never stagnet... they always go up and down.

RMT are a natural expression of supply vs demand. Their current methods used to acquire said gil is also a natural expression of supply vs demand.

There is nothing you nor anyone else can do about it, especially if their doing legitimate gameplay methods to acquire that gil (FC burn / crour burn). Also remember, modern RMT are not a room full of chinese players working overtime, their regular players doing it for money who are selling it to the gilsellers. This is why their able to "get away" with it now, their actually doing things regular players would do to acquire gil, any attempt at SE to "crack down"on them would just ban tons of regular normal players. Aka the gardening bans.