10th Vana'versary Mog Bonanza

Seeing as VanaFest is less than three weeks away, when do we find out what the prizes are/be able to purchase marbles?

It isn't going to happen.

This made me believe there would be something.
http://i.imgur.com/t9P35.png

"Real Mog Bonanza" sounds like they'll be giving away physical prizes at the event itself.

Friday night was the nomad mog bonanza, which was the event version iirc.

:)jponly:)

Greetings!

As many of you seem to be curious about the status of the Nomad Mog Bonanza, I’d like to take a moment to explain the current situation.

The North America and European Community Teams have been working diligently preparing for the Nomad Mog Bonanza, but unfortunately due to changing times and differing global laws, we will not be able to hold a Mog Bonanza for NA and EU regions moving forward.

While Japan will hold the Nomad Mog Bonanza at VanaFest 2012, it will mark the final Mog Bonanza of Vana’diel. Furthermore, to make sure that our players in North America and Europe aren't left out, we will be holding a separate event where players will be able to win similar prizes (all the goodies from tier 1, tier 2, and tier3…plus a bunch of other rare in-game items), so rest assured we will be giving you a good opportunity to make all your Vana’diel dreams come true!

Also, even though the Mog Bonanza will be gone, we will be offering a different event for our end of the year celebration for a chance to win the items of your dreams!

We will be announcing the NA/EU event very shortly, so hang tight and look forward to it!

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Originally Posted by Camate

it will mark the final Mog Bonanza of Vana’diel.

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And if that don't just make me feel all cheery and optimistic...

I mean, hooray for no more inventory -10, but couldn't this have been phrased more... delicately? Especially considering all the anxieties of your players?

Yay! 10 year anniversary surprize: no more lotto!

Honestly this will make mos of my mules die now. So thanks for saving me a few bucks per month, i guess.

I know its not the same, but i still think its just silly that a company can't hold what is essentially an in-house raffle for its customers, while the Catholic church five min walk from me has bingo every friday for a cash pot :confused:

I'm really interested which markets that SE has to deal in were the ones causing the ruckus.

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver

while the Catholic church five min walk from me has bingo every friday for a cash pot :confused:

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Your Catholic parish doesn't have to simultaneously deal with the laws of 50+ US states/etc, 10+ Canadian provinces/etc, 27 EU members (including a number of federations with their own sub-national laws, similar to the US and Canada), not to mention all the other countries S-E officially sells FFXI in...

Ok I don't get how having a lottery for items in a video game would be against some country's laws but whatever lol

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Ok I don't get how having a lottery for items in a video game would be against some country's laws but whatever lol

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If you play any (many?) MMOs these days which try to have in-game content like this you'll find all of them have this problem: largely caused by some asinine laws in some EU countries. :(

Blizzard (WOW), Trion (Rift) and Turbine (LOTRO) are three I play in addition to FF who suffer like this and I know others are also affected.

What I don't get it what changed since last year, or maybe SE learned that they were liable in previous years but 'got away with it'.

Sad, very sad, for the vast majority of players who don't live in countries with crass laws on gambling .. though since America has crass laws on on-line gambling that are designed to protect Mob gambling interests in Nevada primarily, I guess NA players are also subject to stupidity from their law makers.

I just wish companies like SE who suffer this would name and shame the countries whose stupid laws have created this situation.

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Originally Posted by Camate

While Japan will hold the Nomad Mog Bonanza at VanaFest 2012, it will mark the final Mog Bonanza of Vana’diel [...]

[...] we will be offering a different event for our end of the year celebration [...]

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You mean end of the world celebration, right?

In all seriousness, I'd say the last one happened in 2011 already since VanaFest itself does not take place in Vana'diel... but who's counting.

This really does not bode well.
In fact, this bodes ill.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

Your Catholic parish doesn't have to simultaneously deal with the laws of 50+ US states/etc, 10+ Canadian provinces/etc, 27 EU members (including a number of federations with their own sub-national laws, similar to the US and Canada), not to mention all the other countries S-E officially sells FFXI in...

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I said i knew it wasn't the same thing, sheesh.

Still very silly.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

As many of you seem to be curious about the status of the Nomad Mog Bonanza, I’d like to take a moment to explain the current situation.

The North America and European Community Teams have been working diligently preparing for the Nomad Mog Bonanza, but unfortunately due to changing times and differing global laws, we will not be able to hold a Mog Bonanza for NA and EU regions moving forward.

While Japan will hold the Nomad Mog Bonanza at VanaFest 2012, it will mark the final Mog Bonanza of Vana’diel. Furthermore, to make sure that our players in North America and Europe aren't left out, we will be holding a separate event where players will be able to win similar prizes (all the goodies from tier 1, tier 2, and tier3…plus a bunch of other rare in-game items), so rest assured we will be giving you a good opportunity to make all your Vana’diel dreams come true!

Also, even though the Mog Bonanza will be gone, we will be offering a different event for our end of the year celebration for a chance to win the items of your dreams!

We will be announcing the NA/EU event very shortly, so hang tight and look forward to it!

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Please elaborate on exactly which global laws are applying in this case. Laws are meant to be known so I see no reason not to name them. This way we can contact our representative to have such laws repealed. No such law should interfere with a private company's internal policies. I could see laws applying in this case if it was acutal monetary rewards but since it's all in game rewards I don't think laws should apply in this case. The game was designed by YOU(SE) and you should have total control over the virtual world's global laws. Laws from the real world that interfere on the virtual are overstepping their bounds and should not be supported.

Please post exactly which laws so we can contact our representatives to make it known that we do not support such laws and think that they should be repealed.

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Originally Posted by VoiceMemo

Please elaborate on exactly which global laws are applying in this case. Laws are meant to be known so I see no reason not to name them. This way we can contact our representative to have such laws repealed. No such law should interfere with a private company's internal policies. I could see laws applying in this case if it was acutal monetary rewards but since it's all in game rewards I don't think laws should apply in this case. The game was designed by YOU(SE) and you should have total control over the virtual world's global laws. Laws from the real world that interfere on the virtual are overstepping their bounds and should not be supported.

Please post exactly which laws so we can contact our representatives to make it known that we do not support such laws and think that they should be repealed.

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I'd have to agree with this. We have a right to know what global laws are interfering with something we all have grown accustom to participating in for the past couple years.

I just hope whatever the event is, its an improvement over the Bonanza. I liked being able to collect the furnishings and the statues over the years (the only things you could 'count' on getting). I'll be thoroughly disappointed if this event is some intense contest where you have to do some trivial/annoying task.

It probably would have been a good idea to announce the new event simultaneously with announcing that the Mog Bonanza will end.

see this is where ur wrong, for example lets say some joeblow on a server wins rank 1 and choose the gil, whats stopping him from selling the gil for monetary gain memo<<<.i personally think its a great idea to stop all the bs thats been goin around with all the bonaza's.

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

You mean end of the world celebration, right?

In all seriousness, I'd say the last one happened in 2011 already since VanaFest itself does not take place in Vana'diel... but who's counting.

This really does not bode well.
In fact, this bodes ill.

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inb4 SE announces at Vanafest 2012 the end of the FFXI service once the game reaches 11 years old. And then no one goes to XIV (and some, like me, terminate their XIV account forever)

/sigh

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Originally Posted by VoiceMemo

Please elaborate on exactly which global laws are applying in this case. Laws are meant to be known so I see no reason not to name them.

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Giving legislative advice to S-E's customers is likely not a part of the terms of the relationship between S-E and their legal representation; doing so may not even be legal, let alone ethical. S-E is in the gaming business, not the lobbying business.

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This way we can contact our representative to have such laws repealed.

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You're assuming that it's your local laws that are the problem and not someone else's. The problematic laws in question probably aren't even written in English.

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No such law should interfere with a private company's internal policies.

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This is your personal opinion. Your problem is that someone, somewhere, does not share your opinion.

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I could see laws applying in this case if it was acutal monetary rewards

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It costs actual money to play. This is business. Every country outside of Somalia regulates business.

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The game was designed by YOU(SE) and you should have total control over the virtual world's global laws. Laws from the real world that interfere on the virtual are overstepping their bounds and should not be supported.

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This is your personal opinion. Your problem is that someone, somewhere, does not share your opinion.

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Please post exactly which laws so we can contact our representatives to make it known that we do not support such laws and think that they should be repealed.

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S-E is not your lawyer. You're not paying S-E anywhere near enough to be your lawyer.

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Originally Posted by nomanni

see this is where ur wrong, for example lets say some joeblow on a server wins rank 1 and choose the gil, whats stopping him from selling the gil for monetary gain memo<<<.i personally think its a great idea to stop all the bs thats been goin around with all the bonaza's.

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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ELFl2_1q7D...if_serious.jpg

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Originally Posted by Camate

we will not be able to hold a Mog Bonanza for NA and EU regions moving forward...

...we will be holding a separate event where players will be able to win similar prizes (all the goodies from tier 1, tier 2, and tier3…plus a bunch of other rare in-game items), so rest assured we will be giving you a good opportunity to make all your Vana’diel dreams come true!

Also, even though the Mog Bonanza will be gone, we will be offering a different event for our end of the year celebration for a chance to win the items of your dreams!...

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After my original complaint about disenfranchisement, this thought occurred to me, that "regional laws may be creating an issue." And, after that thought, I mused "Surely S/E can find another way to include the general population."

So, thanks for proving my cynicism wrong and my optimism right.

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Originally Posted by Camate

but unfortunately due to changing times and differing global laws, we will not be able to hold a Mog Bonanza for NA and EU regions moving forward.

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explain please?

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10th Anniversary Special Items!
For the 10th anniversary of FINAL FANTASY XI we are preparing some pretty cool items that I think you would all be interested in

How would you all like to wield the same weapons as the Archangels?





These weapons are being prepared specially as cosmetic items. The one-hand sword is not a set, but there will be no “Rare” tag so it will be possible to get two and dual wield

We are planning to use 1 or 2 of these for our 10th Anniversary Mog Bonanza. Hope you are all looking forward to trying them out.

P.S.: Divine Might was probably one of my favorite battles (music-wise too).
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I has a confused. I also activated some mules for the upcoming Mog Bonanza you directly announced. So, did I just get fleeced? Or is the nomad moogle version somehow different?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...nza#post301550

Nevermind.

After this happening to me a few years ago, All I can say is good riddance.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...ank1marble.jpg

inb4 the NA/EU event is on the test server making it 1 character per SEID not PoL ID and no console players can participate

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After this happening to me a few years ago, All I can say is good riddance.

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Holy crap. That is messed up.

Hmmm, I actually didn't even think about why any law would really come in the way of an in-game contest/event. I must have become so used to it of late, as it has been the given reason to quite several region related stuff not being possible.

Perhaps I just stopped caring, perhaps I was sleepy. Either way, while not saying it's a lie, it does puzzle my mind. Were the prizes real-life items, then it would make lots more sense but for in-game things?

Makes me wonder if those game-tables at certain spots in Vana'diel are legal or not...

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

Makes me wonder if those game-tables at certain spots in Vana'diel are legal or not...

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I forgot about this, lol. Inb4 game tables get nuked.

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

Hmmm, I actually didn't even think about why any law would really come in the way of an in-game contest/event. I must have become so used to it of late, as it has been the given reason to quite several region related stuff not being possible.

Perhaps I just stopped caring, perhaps I was sleepy. Either way, while not saying it's a lie, it does puzzle my mind. Were the prizes real-life items, then it would make lots more sense but for in-game things?

Makes me wonder if those game-tables at certain spots in Vana'diel are legal or not...

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A lot of countries class in-game items the same as real items now, also competition laws apply the same for in-game items.

Reminds me of a case (can't remember where) when someone got charged in court for logging into an ex's account and dropping all their items/equipment as if she'd burned all of them in reality.

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

Hmmm, I actually didn't even think about why any law would really come in the way of an in-game contest/event.

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I wonder if it's more of a problem with how some countries are treating virtual property than anything really to do with gambling or games of chance. That's just totally blind speculation.

And I think Daniel_Hatcher beat me to it as I was typing...

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Originally Posted by nomanni

see this is where ur wrong, for example lets say some joeblow on a server wins rank 1 and choose the gil gets a few KC to drop from bcnm fights-selling them all for gil, whats stopping him from selling the gil for monetary gain memo<<<.i personally think its a great idea to stop all the bs thats been goin around with all the bonaza's.

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My point, using possible RMT down the line is a stupidly silly reason to kill this event. And i doubt it was a factor in SE's decision.

There's an incredibly away to remove the 'lottery' classification from the Mog Bonanza, and it's surprised me that someone at squares Legal Department hasn't come up with it yet.

By definition a lottery is a competition that requires no skill, only a token to enter and the result is decided by random drawing or 'fate'.

How do you remove the lottery classification to appease laws? Add a small element of skill. If you add any amount of skill what-so-ever, it's no longer a lottery - it's now considered a pool (of correct answers). The simple way around it is to have the Moogle that distributes tickets ask the player a simple question, such as: "What's the sum of 4 + 4?" - If they answer correctly, they are entered into a pool of players who also answered correctly, and are able to select their Marble numbers as per usual.

Legally speaking, it's no longer a lottery, it's now a nominal test of skill. (This would work in the UK and USA, unsure about other jurisdictions). Companies abuse this loophole every day.

I'm not concerned about laws that may be out of the control of the developers and end users. What I find disturbing is that an announcement was made promoting an upcoming mog bonanza two months ago, causing myself and others to activate accounts in order to be eligible for the event, and then not told the event was canceled until SE determined enough people were "curious" about it to bring this to light.

Laws might be out of the control of the devs, but sending off this information efficiently certainly is. Thanks for wasting my money, SE!

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Originally Posted by Phogg

I'm not concerned about laws that may be out of the control of the developers and end users. What I find disturbing is that an announcement was made promoting an upcoming mog bonanza two months ago, causing myself and others to activate accounts in order to be eligible for the event, and then not told the event was canceled until SE determined enough people were "curious" about it to bring this to light.

Laws might be out of the control of the devs, but sending off this information efficiently certainly is. Thanks for wasting my money, SE!

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It's not like they told you to activate inactive accounts to increase your chances of winning.

It certainly is true that it is very difficult to have international contests. Even when you can do it, you're often forced to exclude certain people due to their nation'state/district/municipal laws.

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Were the prizes real-life items, then it would make lots more sense but for in-game things?

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This mog bonanza is a real life event- Even if the prizes are items in a game, the contest would still be subject to laws. Not every country's law even distinguishes virtual prizes from physical ones.

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And then no one goes to XIV (and some, like me, terminate their XIV account forever)

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I don't know about you, but I'm not going to refuse to patoronize another SE service or game or manga or whatever purely because they cancelled some other one. It's just a fact of life- nothing lasts forever. FFXI won't last forever, FFXIV won't last forever, nothing will last forever. There's no sense in being spiteful over it. That would / is going to be a petty action on your part.

Well then they better remove the sf gambling tables as well !!!

I saw this coming for quite some time ever since they got rid of the game corner in Pokemon Platinum in the EU then in Heart Gold and Soul Silver in the US. It is a form of gambling to get around this law they can easily just give people 10 free raffle tickets as then no one is actually losing any money.