[dev1101] Please add "Don't get the drop X times, get key item for drop" EVERYWHERE!!

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Players who defeat the NMs that spawn on floors 20, 40, 60, 80, and 100 five times will be rewarded with a key item corresponding to that section.
Talking to the NPC Berangere at Aht Urhgan Whitegate (L-9) while in possession of one of those key items will allow players to receive one piece of equipment from a list of possible spoils obtainable in that section.

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You guys finally got it right. There's only one problem. This only affects Nyzul Isle Uncharted Region.

In the name of 0/100 NM campers/event repeaters everywhere, add this to EVERY EVENT in the game!!! While you're at it, add it to NMs and HNMs too.

Sincerely,
Everyone who's ever gotten their butt kicked by the Random Number Generator

Edit: By the way- No, I don't mean "repeat anything 5 times, get the reward." The number of repeats would be set for each content relative to the amount of time they expect players to spend before succeeding with the RNG.

RNG is great for adding in extra drops/speeding the proccess; but 'tokens' has always been the best system as it's got the feeling of progression. Salavage was the worst(and now VW) as there is 0 progression it's just -- hey hope you get lucky!

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Originally Posted by Starry

'tokens' has always been the best system as it's got the feeling of progression.

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B.F. Skinner disagrees with you. A randomized reward will actually keep you coming back longer than a scheduled reward.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

B.F. Skinner disagrees with you. A randomized reward will actually keep you coming back longer than a scheduled reward.

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Ah but in skinners experements rewards are given frequently at first to enccourage the behavure and then reduced to sporatic rewards, this encouraged the behavure to stick more so than scheduled rewards such as every X number of times. Voidwatch lacks the inital reward phase to encourage the behavure in the first place, otherwise the logic is sound. Quilin is a good example of the skinner method, it has several good common drops and a carrot on a stick to keep you coming back.

It's funny, that I was talking about this kind of things with a non-FFXI friend just a while before they announced that adjustment for the "new" Nyzul.

Specifically something like if you defeat a certain monster certain amount of times you will eventually get the reward, with higher chances each kill for example. Perhaps the percentage on the randomness would be altered, perhaps you would need to stay in the area for that to happen (change areas and it re-sets), purrrhaps you would get a 'trophy item' from the monster and you could then trade them to some NPC who is... uhm, interested about that kind of stuff.

The last part already is in game, the Trophies in Heroes of Abyssea areas.

Sure, random in the extent it is in FFXI makes people use more time in general, but it is not balanced in fairness because the rates are so low that it just can't be fair in the ways that someone will get something in 1 or 2 tries while the other goes 50-100 without.

Sure, if both did 100, they might have the same amount, but that's too much and will not ever be fair/fun\challenging.

I doubt this will much change, ever, but a trophy-system of a kind for all the outside Abyssea monsters would be great indeed. Been thinking of proposing this myself as I have thought of it for years but never really thought it could be possible...

But hey, random of a ride it has been, enjoy the final stretch can we?


Just some blah~

I don't like tokens because it makes the rewards feel so insignificant. It's awesome to go 1/1 on something and when you go 1/20 on something, it's great to finally get it. With tokens, you do said event 20 times and that's it. Great, you have the top of the line Body piece. Now what?

Also, RNG gives something for people to keep coming back to. It would suck to have nothing to do with friends in-game once you all have all of the items you want.

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Everyone will do event X exactly Y times, get what they want, and then complain there's nothing to do in the game.

That will happen eventually no matter what so I don't think randomness is the solution either (which actually in some cases might bring one the reward actually sooner than later).

Then again, I personally haven't played this game for the game for many years, but only for my friends.
What that means is, I do things because of the fun, not solely for the reward.
In even more other words, I try to enjoy the Journey before the Destination.

Thusly, if the event is there for merely a time-sink for us to mindlessly hack on it for the reward and then just quit it, this isn't entertainment any longer, it's something completely different (and yes, I know how true that statement actually is, sadly, even though it may seem like I intend to say it is not).

That, and/or it's just badly designed but hey, who's counting at this point. ·~°;

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

B.F. Skinner disagrees with you. A randomized reward will actually keep you coming back longer than a scheduled reward.

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If it's not so confounding that you give up... If I went 0/200 on an NM (I know people who have) I'd have probably quit at that point too. Heck I'd actually have given up long before that.

You might stop after the scheduled reward, but you're also haivng more fun while you're getting there because you're not on pins and needles praying for your reward and getting disappointed.

It would be nice but I can promise you it won't happen without significant changes to either the gear or system itself to (explicative) and I'm sure we'd much rather the event stay the same rather than potentially gaining less than what we would have originally.

Of course it would mostl likely go one at a time on an event-by-event basis but the point is to dream of a time where if you have really horrible luck someone will come out and say "Sorry you've been having such bad luck. Here's a reward for your efforts anyway."

Bear in mind that the number of repeats would depend on the event or NMs. it would need to be set at a number so that the odds are good that you should have received the item by that point. This is just a safety net in case that doesn't happen.

I agree with the X times to get a key item for what you want, but it other than for a major event such as nyzul isle, I don't see it being done or even that viable of a way to go.

Major problem with this sort of system is if you make it a key item per lets say a voidwatch NM, that's more information stored per character from a good ~40 different mobs, it's more npcs, etc. The amount of stored data adds up very quickly when they're already keeping track of hundreds of key items, storage slips, multiple inventories, skills, cruor, CP, etc. etc. etc.

I think step one would be add a key item to let you get a drop so you do eventually is a great idea... I'd actually be motivated to do VW (where did that cell update go?)
Secondly they should redo their core RNG system and get rid of one or two of the zeros on it... because no one likes going 0/100 on something (d ring comes to mind) now before you say "its not as rewarding" this is a "premium game" we have to pay to play it... we shouldn't, as customers, have to not get we want in a reasonable amount of time, especially with the amount of outdated content with have to do.

Thirdly make the ground kings time spawned again and keep the pop item, no one would mind killing a time spawned king if they're bringing their pop item ... and the item for the hq should drop off the nq, as well as having the hq be a timed spawn...

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Originally Posted by Sfchakan

I don't like tokens because it makes the rewards feel so insignificant. It's awesome to go 1/1 on something and when you go 1/20 on something, it's great to finally get it. With tokens, you do said event 20 times and that's it. Great, you have the top of the line Body piece. Now what?

Also, RNG gives something for people to keep coming back to. It would suck to have nothing to do with friends in-game once you all have all of the items you want.

tl;dr
Everyone will do event X exactly Y times, get what they want, and then complain there's nothing to do in the game.

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Doesn't going 1/1 on something make a reward less significant? You put forth less time and effort than someone who earned 5/10/20 tokens. The 1/1 person basically did nothing but win the lottery, while the token person worked over time for their payday.

While it is "great" to finally get something after going 1/20/50/100/200 is it really a sense of joy you feel, or a sense of relief? This is crude, but it can "feel good" to um... relieve yourself... but that's not so much a sense of joy as it is a sense of not feeling bad anymore. Sorry for that example, but I think that's how it is for some of us. We don't feel good, we just don't feel bad anymore. Not everyone gets that gambler's rush from winning after losing for so long.

Some of the friendships I'd built were probably not as strong thanks to the stress the game can bring at times. I think some tend to forget how especially stingy RNG can bring out the dark sides in people when things finally do (or never) drop. It's not all love, rainbows, bunnies, and friendship that's for sure. I think it would actually be better to run out of things to do between updates than have to put up with the torture RNG can potentially bring.

I just think not being hand-fed everything is a signature of XI and part (not all) of what makes it unique. I like the fact that I can throw hundreds or event thousands of hours at the game if I chose to, yet still have more content left to do or items to collect. In recent years, the climb to cap has been eased, but it still takes time to fully gear any job exceptionally. Now anyone can try out BLU at high level, for example, but it'll take some time to get the best weapons, armor, spells, skill levels capped, etc. I like that it takes that time and gives my friends and I something to help each other with.

I spent 6 months with XIV and I'm pretty much done with it until new content comes out, with most jobs at cap, most of the best weapons earned, a craft at cap, and a gatherer at cap. SIX MONTHS AND DONE?!? I spent 2-3 weeks with WoW and was pretty much done with one class (Rogue). XI has more meat (content) to it, whether people like the way it's implemented or not, than most other MMOs out there. I have been playing XI since late 05 fairly heavily, with about a years worth of sabbaticals, and there's still so much I haven't seen or done. If the rewards and content were so easily gained, I would've been done by 06/07 and missed out on a lot of great/fun memories.

Camiie, the RNG can indeed bring out poor behavior by some, but people can also be good to each other as well. Passing on items for jobs that their friends adore more, for example. This makes this show of generosity more meaningful.

I agree with the OP.

As a man who himself is literally 0/440+ On Any form of Voidwatch body (even the "easier" ones like Rubeus/Ogier's/Athos), I'm tired of this. They don't need to hand me the body after only 25 kills. But knowing that If i kill Pil 100 Times, I'll get a "pil Slip" to exchange for an item of my choice, It would keep me, and other like me, from cancelling their account.

Theres no reason for these horrible drop rates with no sense of progression at all. Every time you do the fight, You have the same chance no matter how many times you've done it before.

I think Pil is holding my Record of about 0/150 on, Kaggen close second with about 0/100.

Sfchakan, I'm not saying FFXI doesn't have content, but the longevity of that content is often padded quite heavily by low drop rates and hourly, daily, or weekly lockouts. It makes it seem like more than it really is. Other games you mentioned probably do have as much or more content than FFXI, but you don't face the same lockouts and low drop rates. Someone like you, and I don't mean it as an insult, may well just blast through it quickly while the average player of those games may not.

If you like the way things are with FFXI, fine, but let's be fair. SE uses low drop rates to keep from having to create as much content. Why create 20 dragons with 20 super duper swords when you can make just 1 and have people fight it forever? To you it makes the content they do create seem more special. To me, it makes the game as a whole seem smaller and more cheaply run than it should be. To you there's more value, but to me there's much less.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

you're not on pins and needles praying for your reward and getting disappointed.

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That's part of the fun. Some of the exclamations I've heard from people on Skype/Vent when they've finally seen an item drop they've been after have been well worth the long road helping them continue to attempt it. If you add guaranteed rewards after X attempts - you take that away, because "I would have been guaranteed to get it in 7 more kills anyway"

On that basis, you might as well just say:" Make every piece of gear the reward of a Magian Trial." (Please don't do that...)

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Originally Posted by Sfchakan

I don't like tokens because it makes the rewards feel so insignificant.

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So much this. Let's stop asking for things to be handed to us when luck doesn't go our way.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Why create 20 dragons with 20 super duper swords when you can make just 1 and have people fight it forever?

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Because it's not economically viable/smart to create 20 dragons with 20 super duper swords, in let me guess, 20 new areas.



While the OP's idea might seem great - the problem is once you get all that armor, you have nothing left to do. Then what?

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Originally Posted by Sfchakan

I don't like tokens because it makes the rewards feel so insignificant. It's awesome to go 1/1 on something and when you go 1/20 on something, it's great to finally get it. With tokens, you do said event 20 times and that's it. Great, you have the top of the line Body piece. Now what?

Also, RNG gives something for people to keep coming back to. It would suck to have nothing to do with friends in-game once you all have all of the items you want.

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Everyone will do event X exactly Y times, get what they want, and then complain there's nothing to do in the game.

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Your argument is fairly flawed in that it would be more beneficial to said community to have a 'minimum amount' of times to do something[with a token system] then a RNG where if you go 1/1 your done[as you said].

The problem is there isn't incentive to do much in this game when you get the 'big item' which is where a token system would also help. Tokens don't have to go for just gear; they can be used for consumables and the such that /could/ encourage people to come back and do that content.

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So much this. Let's stop asking for things to be handed to us when luck doesn't go our way.

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Lol...wtf? The 'challenge/fun' shouldn't be getting lucky with a random number - it /should/ be from playing the content. GTFO with this random drops are good for the game garbage.

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Originally Posted by Dazusu

Because it's not economically viable/smart to create 20 dragons with 20 super duper swords, in let me guess, 20 new areas.

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There's plenty of room in existing areas to put some spawns in. It's also not economically viable/smart to provide too little and too unvaried content to your customers. As much as they tout it, BALANCE!! is not SE's strong suit.

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While the OP's idea might seem great - the problem is once you get all that armor, you have nothing left to do. Then what?

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You could help your friends get their stuff done. You could take up a new job or better gear ones you've been lax with. You could be more willing to do such things since you're not burned out on tedium and monotony.

Or I guess SE can not make any changes and you can spam the same mob over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again until you can do the fight with your back to the screen and still get nothing for it.

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Originally Posted by Sfchakan

I don't like tokens because it makes the rewards feel so insignificant. It's awesome to go 1/1 on something and when you go 1/20 on something, it's great to finally get it. With tokens, you do said event 20 times and that's it. Great, you have the top of the line Body piece. Now what?

Also, RNG gives something for people to keep coming back to. It would suck to have nothing to do with friends in-game once you all have all of the items you want.

tl;dr
Everyone will do event X exactly Y times, get what they want, and then complain there's nothing to do in the game.

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If anyone ever runs out of things to do in this game, I give them props lol. People have playing this game 5-6 hours a day for how many years now and still dont have all the things lol.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I agree with the OP.

As a man who himself is literally 0/440+ On Any form of Voidwatch body (even the "easier" ones like Rubeus/Ogier's/Athos), I'm tired of this. They don't need to hand me the body after only 25 kills. But knowing that If i kill Pil 100 Times, I'll get a "pil Slip" to exchange for an item of my choice, It would keep me, and other like me, from cancelling their account.

Theres no reason for these horrible drop rates with no sense of progression at all. Every time you do the fight, You have the same chance no matter how many times you've done it before.

I think Pil is holding my Record of about 0/150 on, Kaggen close second with about 0/100.

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Ya and these claim slips are going to suck if we can't upgrade like say 5 lux pugio slips for 1 coruscanti lol. I've literally gone 0/200+ on coruscanti before I have basically gone "Guess I could use the metals" lol. I don't even see VW as a place to obtain gear anymore. I see it as a place to get gil mainly and opportunity to upgrade my masamune to 99 lol. Not to mention stone restock is lame as can be lol. The body armor is just plane out stupid to obtain. Feels like nyzle isle will offer me better results in less time now lol.

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Originally Posted by Dazusu

That's part of the fun. Some of the exclamations I've heard from people on Skype/Vent when they've finally seen an item drop they've been after have been well worth the long road helping them continue to attempt it. If you add guaranteed rewards after X attempts - you take that away, because "I would have been guaranteed to get it in 7 more kills anyway"

On that basis, you might as well just say:" Make every piece of gear the reward of a Magian Trial." (Please don't do that...)



So much this. Let's stop asking for things to be handed to us when luck doesn't go our way.



Because it's not economically viable/smart to create 20 dragons with 20 super duper swords, in let me guess, 20 new areas.



While the OP's idea might seem great - the problem is once you get all that armor, you have nothing left to do. Then what?

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Go build the weapons lol? Level a new job? Missions, quests, VW, dynamis, abyssea? There are how many empy/relic/mythic? You should not run out of things to do :)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You guys finally got it right. There's only one problem. This only affects Nyzul Isle Uncharted Region.

In the name of 0/100 NM campers/event repeaters everywhere, add this to EVERY EVENT in the game!!! While you're at it, add it to NMs and HNMs too.

Sincerely,
Everyone who's ever gotten their butt kicked by the Random Number Generator

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Yay! Implement this, then we can all bin our THF gear since there will be absolutely not use for TH ever, instead of just for 50% of stuff.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Yay! Implement this, then we can all bin our THF gear since there will be absolutely not use for TH ever, instead of just for 50% of stuff.

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I think there is a misconception, the idea behind this system is, After X number of runs if the R.N.G. or Lot system (a cousin of the R.N.G.) are not favorable to a player, they will still be rewarded. That doesn't mean the item couldn't drop sooner. This is or those cases that an item recorded at 50% drop decides to not show up for 10 kills or random ls member has luck -100 on the lot system during ls runs, things along that line. TH will still be useful since people don't want to wait 25 runs for a drop that's normally 1/5 unless that have to. In all cases the number of kills/runs before auto-reward should be much higher then the drop rate, x2-5 depending, I think would be about right. (excluding VW I don't even know what to think about that. [x0.5?])

XIV has a token system in place for the two primal battles and I quickly got everything I needed. What was left to do after that? Helped the few other friends needing their items.. and then nothing. It killed the content prematurely because they listened to their playerbase too much. Ifrit battle and Moogle should have had much longer lifespans.

As a general rule, I try not to take people seriously who use Kamas Earring on monk.

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Originally Posted by Sfchakan

I just think not being hand-fed everything is a signature of XI and part (not all) of what makes it unique.

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Everquest says hi. RNG-dependent rare mobs with loot is not exactly unique nor exclusive to FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Yay! Implement this, then the developers have a reason to turn THF into something other than TH-whore!

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Fixed.

I fully support the OP, though I'd go for a generalized points system instead of slips per boss. Otherwise we're gonna have the problem we had with empyrean armor papers, where we sometimes ended up with the wrong paper because we needed X paper and got Y instead.

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That's part of the fun.

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sorry, I can't get on board with your argument. Going 0/200+ on an NM it's not fun anymore, even if you do eventually get it-especially if your friends did it in far fewer attempts than you. you should never have to repeat the same thing 200 times to conquer the random number generator.

Things like relic and empyrean weapons are different, because you're making steady progress toward a set goal. Those types of things are lengthy and tedious, but not based on randomness.

Keep in mind. This suggestion is aimed at preventing extreme cases of people having to attempt something far more than they should have to from a probability standpoint. If we're talking a 1% drop rate, I'm not suggesting that you be given your free handout after 5 runs like Nyzul Uncharted. It would be something like 25-50 times. It would be set at a point where you have a pretty fair chance to obtain the reward before getting to that point. All this is, is a safety net against having to attempt the same thing an excessively ridiculous number of times.

I cannot fathom in my wildest dreams how anyone could be opposed to what amounts to little more than nerfing the ridiculousness of the random number generator.

For me personally, the worst thing was salvage. I and multiple other people I know have done the same salvage run over 100 times and never got the 35 piece we were looking for. By the time alternative gear came around, we were still no closer to finishing that salvage stuff. A line seriously HAS to be drawn somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Keep in mind. This suggestion is aimed at preventing extreme cases

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Great. Then we don't need a visible token system. Game records how many times you've killed certain mobs. When you've done it 100 times*, they can force the drop to your group guaranteed. Just don't tell us about it - because there are many people it's going to turn off the game even more than Abyssea managed to do.

Yes, I realise people like the idea - but understand that there are people that don't.

* Number of times variable based on drop you're after.

If I have to go 1/200 on Heka's then so be it. I do not want to go 0/200. That's not cool.

I think I recall this being suggested when leaping lizzy was heavily camped.

I guess they are only like 8 years late. (And miss about 99% of the game changes they should have done with this system)

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Originally Posted by detlef

If I have to go 1/200 on Heka's then so be it. I do not want to go 0/200. That's not cool.

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I think knowing there's a Ceiling to how many times you can open a box and find disappointment would likely keep people interested in going in again. Knowing that if the Random number Generator kicks you in the junk 199 times, but on time 200, You'll give your item, Would keep you going.

Maybe :X

System like this would be great. After going 0/330 on Kaggen, 0/350 on Pil, and 0/320 on Akvan for bodies it's far from being fun. Also going 0/41 on anything that isn't a scroll on Rex also is lame. Random number generators are garbage. Luck should never play into getting drops.

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Originally Posted by Dazusu

While the OP's idea might seem great - the problem is once you get all that armor, you have nothing left to do. Then what?

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I got to utterly bored at the game recently, that I'm only level 97 so far. Lots of content left, but it doesn't help if it is all utterly boring. I don't even care about new armors because they are all "Waste your life for a chance at doing 2% more damage every full moon".

If SE dropped 20 mythics in my deliver box, I'd still not play longer than if they expected me to work for them another 50 years.

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Originally Posted by Dew

System like this would be great. After going 0/330 on Kaggen, 0/350 on Pil, and 0/320 on Akvan for bodies it's far from being fun. Also going 0/41 on anything that isn't a scroll on Rex also is lame. Random number generators are garbage. Luck should never play into getting drops.

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Drop rates like those are the reason I have over 600 Voidstones now. >_>

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Yay! Implement this, then we can all bin our THF gear since there will be absolutely not use for TH ever, instead of just for 50% of stuff.

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Uh, this wouldn't make TH useless. It increases the odds of getting your items sooner, rather than later, which is what it already does now. By the time this key item kicks in, you really should have statistically already received the item.

Say an item has a 2% drop rate. You kill it 50 times. Odds are pretty good that you should have gotten the drop by that time. So you kill it some more. Still no drop. Now, you get the key item and finally your drop.
Now say you bring a thief, and just say it made the drop rate 10%. You kill the monster 10 times, get the drop. You've still saved a ton of time. How was TH not helpful?

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While the OP's idea might seem great - the problem is once you get all that armor, you have nothing left to do.

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You say this as if it wouldn't happen anyway without this feature? Does it feel fair to you when your friend gets the drop after 10 runs of <insert event here> but you are still trying to get it 200 runs later and that friend gets tired of helping you? Once in salvage, I got a 35 piece on my first kill of an NM. Another person I know killed the same NM over 250 times before he got it. He stopped truly enjoying the event loooooooooong before that.

Man, you guys really don't get it. The idea is designed so that you have more than enough opportunities to obtain the item normally before the feature helps you out. The threshold for it helping you is set beyond the reasonable number of times you'd expect to take before getting the item based on its drop rate.

Camping an NM for a week for that 5% drop? Acceptable.
Camping it for 4 months? Not acceptable.

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Great. Then we don't need a visible token system. Game records how many times you've killed certain mobs. When you've done it 100 times*, they can force the drop to your group guaranteed. Just don't tell us about it - because there are many people it's going to turn off the game even more than Abyssea managed to do.

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The only way this would have the effect you're desiring is if they ninja-added it, and that's a stupid thing to do. How could this turn anyone off from the game anyway? This is only about ending crap like "I went 0/350 on Kaggen." NOTHING should EVER take that many kills. Period. 50? Fine. 100? Pushing it. 350? Far more people would be turned off by the impossibility of obtaining the item than would be turned off by the assurance that if they keep at it long enough, they will get it.

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I don't even care about new armors because they are all "Waste your life for a chance at doing 2% more damage every full moon".

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I think this quote sums it up.

Most people I know would rather be working toward a visible, fixed goal anyway than depending on random luck- Even if that visible fixed goal is longer on average- You feel like you're making progress and you're more motivated to continue.

Hate to say this, but this "token" reward = gear. Is why WoW has t13 (or higher) gear and is getting pokemon because players are bored.
Everything in that game is all about earning tokens aka badges and spending it on gear. Everyone gets them so fast they burn threw content with in days of it coming out. And when they have a hard time with it, the content gets "nerfed". Pretty much end result is everyone will have the same gear in the matter of days. And will be bored to tears crying for content.

And it took me 5 years of killing/ hunting leaping lizzy for those boots before finally getting a pair. Having random drop rates on things is not bad. Its the wait to fight the mob again that is the real killer. Improve the NM to be more timed based under 30 min with same drop rates. In ffxiv nms are under a 15 min timer, and takes maybe 2-3 kills to get said drop item. Everyone actually complained about that saying it was too easy.

People are too addicted to VW drops lol. There are other rewards in VW, lots of gil, and other decent gear. The idea of the HQ drops were meant to be like the floor 100 gear in new nyzle isle, supposed to be able to get it on rare occasions lol.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

Hate to say this, but this "token" reward = gear. Is why WoW has t13 (or higher) gear and is getting pokemon because players are bored.
Everything in that game is all about earning tokens aka badges and spending it on gear. Everyone gets them so fast they burn threw content with in days of it coming out. And when they have a hard time with it, the content gets "nerfed". Pretty much end result is everyone will have the same gear in the matter of days. And will be bored to tears crying for content.

And it took me 5 years of killing/ hunting leaping lizzy for those boots before finally getting a pair. Having random drop rates on things is not bad. Its the wait to fight the mob again that is the real killer. Improve the NM to be more timed based under 30 min with same drop rates. In ffxiv nms are under a 15 min timer, and takes maybe 2-3 kills to get said drop item. Everyone actually complained about that saying it was too easy.

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This isn't WoW. Apples and oranges. And the idea here is not collecting tokens, but simply recieving the drop out of pity for those handful of people out there who get shafted out the rear by the randon number generator.

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And it took me 5 years of killing/ hunting leaping lizzy for those boots before finally getting a pair.

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Any sane person would have given up after a few weeks or less. You'd have to be even more insane to actually enjoy visiting leaping lizzy for the 1000th day in a row. Random drop rates aren't bad until you're the one who never gets the drop when everyone else has.

I guarantee you if they gave out salvage 35s after you failed to get the item after 100 successful runs, people would not have run out of reasons to do it before the next bit of content came out.

WoW's problem was getting those tokens was too easy. The idea here is to set the threshold to recieve the drop past what the realistic expectation is for the amount of time before you get the drop.. E.g. if they expect it will take the average person 1 month to beat the random number generator, then make it so that just over a month is required to get the freebie. Then, you still have the chance to get the item before that, but you don't feel like you're doomed to repeating the same thing over and over and over til the day you die.

Updated original post to be clearer, because negative nancy party poopers aren't getting it.

I can't understand the people who are basically comparing trying for a drop to gambling.

The reason that the chance of loss when gambling is so high is that the house wants to make a profit. The reason there is no assure payout after many losses when gambling is because the house wants to make a profit. The reason gambling is often done using games where chance exceeds skill is because the house wants to make a profit.

There is no house to profit within FFXI. You can have the good without the bad.

By the time someone has fought a thing with a 1% drop rate roughly 250 times, that person is not a normal person if he or she doesn't want to just obtain the damn item and be done with it. I don't think the person is flawed or bad in any way but I am very confident that the person isn't representative of the average human.

Assuming this system required a lot of kills, like twice-over what would be needed to statistically see several of an item, I don't think it would effect anyone negatively. Yes, it would be a huge number of kills. This would still give people a definite goal to work for and hope to achieve.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

And it took me 5 years of killing/ hunting leaping lizzy for those boots before finally getting a pair.

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And by the time you got them, there were better options you could and should have been using. BA - DUM - TISH!

I'll be here all night, folks. Try the seafood salad if you hit up the buffet. It's gone bad and you'll poop so bad you hallucinate and that's awesome.