[dev 1065] Relic Adjustament

I see in the topic that the relic weapon 99 will gain +40%ws dmg, sound good, but can this bonus damage be enough to compare the relic ws with the empy ws? i think no, the relic ws today have a very low damage, and honestly make a new relic for a stupid dmg ws.... is crazy, but if the modifier of the relic ws become similar to empy ws, resulting in a similar dmg output, this sound great!

But the Aegis 99 gain only consecutively upgrade of lv99, and the block rate still remain low comparte to the Ochain, can it be aumented? i ask this because the Ochain block less damage then Aegis but with "Shield Defense Bonus" and the Enhances "Shield Defense Bonus" effect of the Creed Gauntlets +2 the Ochain is best shield, only in few encounter where the boss spam high blm's spell you need the Aegis and this is ridiculous for the "RELIC" shield.

Tyvm to the staff , hoping for some aswer.

There are more mobs that benefit from an Aegis then an Ochain. Most PLDs that complain about their block rate (damage taken) don't have a decent PDT set.

You should be more concerned about reasons to ever bring a PLD. Besides holding adds on Tier3 Zilart VW there really isn't any.

Take amano and bravura for example they seems to be pretty far behind massa & ukon with both weapons at 99, se you need to sort this out or you are going to have a shit storm incoming once the 99 weapons are implimented.

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Originally Posted by Taint2

There are more mobs that benefit from an Aegis then an Ochain. Most PLDs that complain about their block rate (damage taken) don't have a decent PDT set.

You should be more concerned about reasons to ever bring a PLD. Besides holding adds on Tier3 Zilart VW there really isn't any.

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I think u aren't a main pld and u don't have the aegis (i don't like the ppl tha talk without the right knowledge), second u don't think a lot, because if u have the aegis u need the shield skill (boxer mantle,shield torque,af3+2 head,creed ear,knightly ear) for increment the block rate, because if u block u have a -75 pdt only by the shield!

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Originally Posted by Vash72

I see in the topic that the relic weapon 99 will gain +40%ws dmg, sound good, but can this bonus damage be enough to compare the relic ws with the empy ws? i think no, the relic ws today have a very low damage, and honestly make a new relic for a stupid dmg ws.... is crazy, but if the modifier of the relic ws become similar to empy ws, resulting in a similar dmg output, this sound great!

But the Aegis 99 gain only consecutively upgrade of lv99, and the block rate still remain low comparte to the Ochain, can it be aumented? i ask this because the Ochain block less damage then Aegis but with "Shield Defense Bonus" and the Enhances "Shield Defense Bonus" effect of the Creed Gauntlets +2 the Ochain is best shield, only in few encounter where the boss spam high blm's spell you need the Aegis and this is ridiculous for the "RELIC" shield.

Tyvm to the staff , hoping for some aswer.

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Rudras Storm still pretty much beats the shit out of Mercy Stroke so nope it doesn't.

0/3, 99 amano should easily beat masamune, 99 bravura should be pretty close if not better than ukon post-nerf, and mercy stroke already destroys rudra's storm.

99 Amano would beat it if people did kaiten and fudo at 100 tp but as sam is overflowing with tp it favours massa by a lot then you have sams job ability which just favour fudo more and in voidwatch people have 300 tp thanks to temp items again this favours massa.

99 Bravua spamming metatron is not going to touch ukon nerf or no nerf lets not kid ourselves here, upheavel is decent but again it's not coming close to ukkos fury.

I can't comment on Mandau, ive got not idea what that weapon has been like since 75.

Next were going to get empy fan boys coming in saying well 90-95 stage alone costs the same as a relic while this is true its beyond a joke to get these weapons to 90 were they have the ws and the aftermath.

I'd say by 95 they are very similar to make both cost the same and all the trials after relics are done are easy just boring a bit like making the 90 versions of any empyrean nothing but a borefest. However whilst doing 80-90 empyreans people are getting geared out in very good gear, exp/merits unlike when doing relic trials you get a tiny bit exp so again the while process favours empyreans because you and any help you have actually get geared up while making them.

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Originally Posted by Vash72

I think u aren't a main pld and u don't have the aegis (i don't like the ppl tha talk without the right knowledge), second u don't think a lot, because if u have the aegis u need the shield skill (boxer mantle,shield torque,af3+2 head,creed ear,knightly ear) for increment the block rate, because if u block u have a -75 pdt only by the shield!

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I don't think you know exactly what you're talking about either.

First of all, Aegis still has a very good block rate. Secondly, it's the premier shield for -MDT. What's the point of taking the block rate up to Ochain's level? Then Aegis will simply be a better option overall.

Aegis having a lower block rate than Ochain is reasonable because of it's magic damage mitigation. Ochain having a higher block rate is acceptable because it's your true anti-physical shield.

Aegis - Anti-Magic
Ochain - Anti-Physical

And Aegis STILL has a better block rate than any other shield you would regularly use before it.

Both shields have their uses, and both shields are immensely better than any other shield in the game. Aegis owners really don't have anything to complain about.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Both shields have their uses, and both shields are """immensely""" better than any other shield in the game. Aegis owners really don't have anything to complain about.

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Ochian block rate is 99%, Aegis block rate is 50%, and a shield type like koeing is 35%.
If Aegis block rate will be increment to 60-75% and lowering the damage blocket to 65-50% this make Aegis a shield capable of tanking good the Physical boss (not like the Ochian), because a lot of time in VW the leader prefer Ochain than Aegis...

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Originally Posted by Vash72

Ochian block rate is 99%, Aegis block rate is 50%, and a shield type like koeing is 35%.
If Aegis block rate will be increment to 60-75% and lowering the damage blocket to 65-50% this make Aegis a shield capable of tanking good the Physical boss (not like the Ochian), because a lot of time in VW the leader prefer Ochain than Aegis...

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Why would you make Aegis more capable of tanking physical things? That's not it's purpose. It's already a very good physical shield compared to the non-Relic/Empyrean and it fills a perfect role as a magic damage mitigation shield.

You're asking for a relic to be adjusted because it doesn't fulfill a role as well as an empyrean does, when by comparison, the Empyrean doesn't fulfill a certain role (magic damage mitigation) as well when compared to Aegis.

Should we give Ochain the -MDT so we make it a good shield capable against magic casting mobs?

No.

Ochain is the best melee defence shield, Aegis is the best magic defence shield. If you're serious about pld make both but keep in mind that there is nothing in the game that needs a pld anyway right now.

You can make both shields within 3-4 months, I don't see any point about whining about one being better than the other in certain situations.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Why would you make Aegis more capable of tanking physical things? That's not it's purpose. It's already a very good physical shield compared to the non-Relic/Empyrean and it fills a perfect role as a magic damage mitigation shield.

You're asking for a relic to be adjusted because it doesn't fulfill a role as well as an empyrean does, when by comparison, the Empyrean doesn't fulfill a certain role (magic damage mitigation) as well when compared to Aegis.

Should we give Ochain the -MDT so we make it a good shield capable against magic casting mobs?

No.

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For me yes, it can be, becuse if u have a relic/empy shield you must have a shield that are the best in the game,good for all fight!(one perfect for magical and good for physical , and the other good for magical and perfect for physical)

When i made my aegis,i took 1 a year and 300m, and now the pld are a shit and the shield are usable only for certain boss... this is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Vash72

For me yes, it can be, becuse if u have a relic/empy shield you must have a shield that are the best in the game,good for all fight!(one perfect for magical and good for physical , and the other good for magical and perfect for physical)

When i made my aegis,i took 1 a year and 300m, and now the pld are a shit and the shield are usable only for certain boss... this is ridiculous.

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You aren't using your shield right and you aren't playing PLD properly if this is truly the case.

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Originally Posted by Vash72

When i made my aegis,i took 1 a year and 300m, and now the pld are a shit and are useless... this is ridiculous.

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ftfy

this QQ energy could be used to fix the problem of never needing a PLD instead of which shield is better

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Originally Posted by newmonkey

99 Amano would beat it if people did kaiten and fudo at 100 tp but as sam is overflowing with tp it favours massa by a lot then you have sams job ability which just favour fudo more and in voidwatch people have 300 tp thanks to temp items again this favours massa.

99 Bravua spamming metatron is not going to touch ukon nerf or no nerf lets not kid ourselves here, upheavel is decent but again it's not coming close to ukkos fury.

I can't comment on Mandau, ive got not idea what that weapon has been like since 75.

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It's similar to SAM. THF has over 200% TP by the time SA or TA cools off and can drop a 4.25-5.25 fTP Rudras while Mercy Stroke is always stuck at 3.0 fTP +25% WS damage. Also Rudras has greater synergy with Sneak Attack because it's DEX based.

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Originally Posted by Vash72

For me yes, it can be, becuse if u have a relic/empy shield you must have a shield that are the best in the game,good for all fight!(one perfect for magical and good for physical , and the other good for magical and perfect for physical)

When i made my aegis,i took 1 a year and 300m, and now the pld are a shit and the shield are usable only for certain boss... this is ridiculous.

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The real answer is to give Aegis +40 ATT +30 ACC and +25% WS damage.

I think Atomic's butthurt he made a Trashtar instead of a Mandau, because thats like 5 posts in one day going on how MS is garbage compared to RS.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

I think Atomic's butthurt he made a Trashtar instead of a Mandau, because thats like 5 posts in one day going on how MS is garbage compared to RS.

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Your post makes no sense because I've been arguing for the past year that relics should be stronger than emps.

It's more like I'm butthurt that I spent 3 years upgrading Mandau only to have it eclipsed by a dagger you can obtain in less than a month.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Your post makes no sense because I've been arguing for the past year that relics should be stronger than emps.

It's more like I'm butthurt that I spent 3 years upgrading Mandau only to have it eclipsed by a dagger you can obtain in less than a month.

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Twash is better than Mandau? Since when?

back at 85 cap...