No more almost impossible to obtain crap please

Aren't the high tier magian trials for relics/mythics/etc already exclusive enough as it is? do we really need to make a single trial at the end of these long, tiresome chains even more exclusive?

Really. Fair question.

PS: "Crap" is to be taken literally, as the new trials are both "impossible" and the result is crap.

Me and Alhanelem can agree on this without any issue.

I think I'm going to need a glass of water.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

Me and Alhanelem can agree on this without any issue.

I think I'm going to need a glass of water.

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Well there is a limit to just how much crap people can put up with geuss we found Alhanelem's.

Lv90 empy weapon trial taking long enough as it is, lv95 one is worse, Lv99 version might not even be worth attempting if it's like they say its going to be.

Difficult to get is fine. But when even Square Enix comes straight out and says "only a few people are going to be able to get this," you know it's going to be absurd.

Mythics are the worst example. The total number of mythics across all servers is very small as it is; Why do we need to make it so that even the very few people who have them can't fully upgrade them?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Lv90 empy weapon trial taking long enough as it is, lv95 one is worse, Lv99 version might not even be worth attempting if it's like they say its going to be.

Difficult to get is fine. But when even Square Enix comes straight out and says "only a few people are going to be able to get this," you know it's going to be absurd.

Mythics are the worst example. The total number of mythics across all servers is very small as it is; Why do we need to make it so that even the very few people who have them can't fully upgrade them?

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lol mythics will actually cost more than one character can hold to complete. Maybe they should introduce a Gil level cap increase.

Old dev team liked FFXI having a class system (Linkshell leaders controlling underlings to get the top tier goals done like multiple relics etc, final relic trials will be done by people like this > HNMLS members/staff scrabbling with point systems for scraps from the masters table and easily replaced if they don't do as they were told/goto every event > AH/sky-ls scrubs which made up the vast majority of players that looked up in awe at the ones above them in HNM gear etc), they made gear that gave owners prestige and to be lordered over the majority as unobtainables. The whole last trials are all about this, it's retarded really but it's how it's going to be and you better get used to it. I find it disgusting that they made FFXI open to all and now are trying to make stuff exclusive to only the top tier again now but as they have shown they will do as they want and ignore any and all outrage (VW is perfect example of them ignoring the crap out of us).

I'm suprised people thing this is going to change now, they have shown their cards. Like it or lump it, they won't be moved, we are going back to old FFXI.

This is what the poor whiteknighters for FF14 have to look forward too when thier game is put out to the milk house.

I'm a pretty optimistic guy, but it is starting to look like even to me they want to discourage people to get them to play another game. The question is why would they do that? Even now, it still makes them a good amount of money.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Old dev team liked FFXI having a class system (Linkshell leaders controlling underlings to get the top tier goals done like multiple relics etc, final relic trials will be done by people like this > HNMLS members/staff scrabbling with point systems for scraps from the masters table and easily replaced if they don't do as they were told/goto every event > AH/sky-ls scrubs which made up the vast majority of players that looked up in awe at the ones above them in HNM gear etc), they made gear that gave owners prestige and to be lordered over the majority as unobtainables. The whole last trials are all about this, it's retarded really but it's how it's going to be and you better get used to it. I find it disgusting that they made FFXI open to all and now are trying to make stuff exclusive to only the top tier again now but as they have shown they will do as they want and ignore any and all outrage (VW is perfect example of them ignoring the crap out of us).

I'm suprised people thing this is going to change now, they have shown their cards. Like it or lump it, they won't be moved, we are going back to old FFXI.

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If someone can control their underlings for 3 or 5 years to get themselves a relic or mythic with afterglow. I would applaud them for that, being a master manipulator.

But seriously the afterglow trails are possibly the worst quests I ever seen that SE has ever planned to put out.

PS what's even more silly about this is afterglow doesn't affect the user.

Especially considering how terrible the afterglows are, AND how the trials are apparently going to be stupidly hard, why bother making these things in the first place. They could have saved a lot of time and stress doing nothing. Why waste a single iota of time making content nobody is going to experience?

The thing that bothers me is how the game is returning to the days of one person reaping the spoils of a large group. 500 PW kills ill take, (time consuming it maybe but then 18 people can do this trial at once) 500 drops even 20 at a time is not cool. Also three of the biggest names on the forum notorious for disagreements just straight out with no conditions agreed on this, personally I see that as impressive, we need to get more people backing this. (I'm not in any way saying disagreements are bad, the best ideas consider all view points)

Afterglow as an effect for players coming off the 99 trial would have been fine. You get your 99 weapon and you get a gift by getting to glow in town, giving your PT a little throwaway effect and overall something neat for those with the resilience to have made it from the first trial to the finale.

But oh no this is SE and apparently the ability to glow must first be tested by your ability to cry after seeing the requirements these trials entail. The thing with SE is that they always ask so much of a player for so little in return and it comes to full prominence in these joke-tier 99 'stage 2' trials. Apparently to get a glow effect and a weak sphere buff you need to put in years of effort? Cmon, at least make that level of work equivalent to the effort put in. Dev time is wasted on this garbage while things like actual large-scale tweaks are pushed back constantly.

I have a word for the devs: Priorities.

It's pretty clear this stage1/2 business was designed in response to the overwhelming rage against 99 trials being impossible tier which is why the current ultimate weapons all had afterglows on them. Looks like they'll have to add a new set of weapons to reflect lvl99s without afterglows which means that SE really intended to make ADL/PW/T6 VWNM (and all those requirements now on step2) the original way to reach lvl99 weapons.

'Don't forget your family, job, community or friends' - Really SE? When you design trials like this no-life tier garbage, you spit upon your own words to the players and make mockery of your customers.

Sit down and play your own game before designing stupidity. Please.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

'Don't forget your family, job, community or friends' - Really SE? When you design trials like this no-life tier garbage, you spit upon your own words to the players and make mockery of your customers.

Sit down and play your own game before designing stupidity. Please.

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VERY WELL SAID!

The final level 99 trails should not be insane like they currently are on the test server.

Do not tell me doing dynamis for 3 years straight with 17 other people going everyday for 3 years to get a Yellow glow effect on my character and 15 or so accuracy boost to my party is worth that much work.

Killing 500 PWs would take close to 10 years of playing and farming znm/plates.

What the level 99 weapon trails should be something reasonable and a nice way to finish off the 3 weapon trail lines. The glow is fine even if a lot of people end up getting it. Its is a nice little bonus for people who already did all these tedious trails and stuck with the FFXI for a long time. The circle effect isn't all that game braking or great but still does not warrant an insane trail. The only one that is in the realm of possibility is the Empyrean one, then you have to be really rich and hope people keep on doing voidwatch so you can buy the 3000 items needed.

Should of been a reasonable trail and you get rewarded, here is a neat little glow effect for yourself and a circle effect for your friends who may of helped you along the way for finishing all trails good job and a nice way to wrap up that quest chain.

I hope the devs realize putting in insane almost impossible to finish quest will make more people quit playing your game then stick around to try and do them. Also it has the effect of pissing off your customers so they would be unlikely to buy another online game from Square Enix.

Here I'll do your job for you SE

Relic 99 (afterglow) - 5 Arch Dynamis Lord kills. - ADL is still no pushover but this way at least people with relics can team up to take him down and you could bring your friends to help as well nothing too insane about 5 kills and everyone can get trial credit.

Mythic 99 (afterglow) 3 Pandemonium Warden kills. A reasonable amount of kills with all the zeni and lower tier NMs. In game friends probably be up to helping you get these kills.

Empyrean 99 (afterglow) 50 VW Tier6 drops. Why only 50 drops, each weapon had a huge collection phase so far, relics currency, mythics alex, empyrean plates on the 95. So 50 drops off the new VW doesn't seem all that bad and you can buy them from people not upgrading and its still a fair number of fights.

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I'm a pretty optimistic guy, but it is starting to look like even to me they want to discourage people to get them to play another game. The question is why would they do that? Even now, it still makes them a good amount of money.

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Because it competes with their new failed crappy MMO that everyone hates? I swear they are trying to do everything they can to crap on XI atm, they put a guy they know we all hate in charge and that was directly responsible for XIV being shit (might as well of put Osama bin Laden in charge for how much the playerbase hates his ideas) and make almost everything more horrible just as they are working on V2. They must think we are all dumbasses to fall for it, to hell with them...if they turn me off FFXI there are other MMO's. Screw FFXIV and their manipulative shennanigans, this isn't FFXI > FFXIV, it's FFXI > anthing > FFXVI and they don't get it.

We aren't all just going to move over to FFXVI if they ruin FFXI.

Legion better be good, seriously. They are on the last chance for a lot of players with how we have been treated since captain barance doned his cape again.

I admit I haven't read every single post on every single forum regarding the 99 weapon trials, but what I have gathered is this:

On the test server, if you try to undertake a trial for a 99 empyrean/mythic/relic, the trial moogle tells you to obtain 3000/100/300 items accordingly, right? SE has said there are 2 stages for a finished 99 weapon, without telling us flat out what exactly the different stages involve. We are all assuming those 3000/100/300 items are for the 2nd and final stage. Why isn't the moogle on the test server giving people the 1st stage trial then? And yes, I know it's the test server, with all its bugs/unfinished stuff and whatnot, and I'm hoping that's why.

But then again, at this stage I have to say I'm expecting the worst.

As for my thoughts about these trials - well all I can say is the following: complete and utter idiocy. A total waste of dev time and players time.

Sparthos says it best:

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'Don't forget your family, job, community or friends' - Really SE? When you design trials like this no-life tier garbage, you spit upon your own words to the players and make mockery of your customers.

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You guys have to learn that we CAN'T always get everything in life, same in FFXI, if you get everything you want, you will be bored

It's important to keep an impossible dream somewhere.
It was the voice of reason
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You guys have to learn that we CAN'T always get everything in life, same in FFXI, if you get everything you want you will be bored

It was the voice of reason

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Yeah ok. So it's reasonable to give the players a trial that LITERALLY will take years to complete and requires not only your own time but the time of X amount of other players too, just to finish ONE single weapon???

Oh and hey, pssst - FFXI isn't real life. It's A GAME. Why shouldn't everything we want in a GAME be obtainable for us? It's not a matter of easy mode and wanting everything given to us for free, far from it. Personally I have no problem whatsoever working hard towards a goal in game. But this? This is taking it way too far and is borderline insane.

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Yeah ok. So it's reasonable to give the players a trial that LITERALLY will take years to complete and requires not only your own time but the time of X amount of other players too, just to finish ONE single weapon???

Oh and hey, pssst - FFXI isn't real life. It's A GAME. Why shouldn't everything we want in a GAME be obtainable for us? It's not a matter of easy mode and wanting everything given to us for free, far from it. Personally I have no problem whatsoever working hard towards a goal in game. But this? This is taking it way too far and is borderline insane.

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Like it is for some IRL party of dungeon & dragon "paper RPG",
I beleive FFXI and server will stay up a realy long time, SE dont have any reason to turn off servers if there is people to play and till they're frequently adding new content i dont see any reason to stop playing it for myself,
So if you have 10 years+ to done slowly at your rythm your achievment, i think its just good like it

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Like it is for some IRL party of dungeon & dragon "paper RPG",
I beleive FFXI and server will stay up a realy long time, SE dont have any reason to turn off servers if there is people to play and till they're frequently adding new content i dont see any reason to stop playing it for myself,
So if you have 10 years+ to done slowly at your rythm your achievment, i think its just good like it

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What the...??? So you think taking TEN YEARS+ to reach your goal IN A GAME is reasonable? Really??? Do you even know what you are saying? I've read some stupid stuff on this forum before but I believe what you just said there tops everything.

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What the...??? So you think taking TEN YEARS+ to reach your goal IN A GAME is reasonable? Really??? Do you even know what you are saying? I've read some stupid stuff on this forum before but I believe what you just said there tops everything.

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stop complain and cry + insulting people that dont think like you, and just done the stuff you can do, why you want the "Super Hardcore items" if you are not a "Super Hardcore player"

Personally i know i will probably never get these stuff, and only a couple of realy hardcore players will done it per server, that the idea

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Originally Posted by Hercule

Like it is for some IRL party of dungeon & dragon "paper RPG",
I beleive FFXI and server will stay up a realy long time, SE dont have any reason to turn off servers if there is people to play and till they're frequently adding new content i dont see any reason to stop playing it for myself,
So if you have 10 years+ to done slowly at your rythm your achievment, i think its just good like it

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i have to agree with the other guy, this is just straight ignorant dude. you honestly think this game is gonna be around that much longer? hardly. nowhere even close to reality even. this game is nearly dead as it is, a system like this is only going to start to put nails in the coffin.

think about it. there's hardly any of the "hardcore" players even playing anymore. on top of this SE repeatedly puts in content that is nothing but gigantic time sinks for at best minimal rewards. don't believe me? go look at all of the top tier rewards for VW, then look at the ppl who are 0/300-400+ on these drops. and before you even try to argue that top tier should be earned, you're right, it should be earned, but even "hardcore" players would see where the fault in systems like this lie.

this isn't about ppl not being willing to work towards a goal. this about SE being completely and utterly redundant on level that is staggering, retarded, and just playing sad. expecting ANYONE to spend 10+ years to get top tier anything stupid beyond stupid. lemme put it another way, the average human life span is what? 60-70 nowadays?

telling me that it is perfectly fine to expect ppl to spend 1/6-1/7 of your actual life only to get something that will only be a minimal boost, simply because the creators are arrogant douche bags that think they can decide what we think is fun for us, even back at the games infancy, this would've been nothing short of a bad joke.

You can't really expect players to turn FFXI into their life, time sinks in this game already are quite massive. Time sinks don't make the game fun or interesting, it just means repeatedly doing the same thing over and over and over until you get the piece of gear you seek. In my mind that's not playing a video game, that's work and not particularly interesting work. Yes, there is the option to not have the gear and to be honest, I don't go out to get the best, if it means elitists laugh at me, so be it, I'd rather spend the time doing something else. But I did find myself getting hooked into that mode of spending hours in the game and it didn't feel that healthy and it wasn't all that rewarding, hence I'm a casual player now, but the game is still fun to play.

But I love the game and it'd be nice to get the better gear, however, I think what would be more satisfying for me is if gear was difficult to get because the fights were hard and not difficult because of endurance and luck (luck in terms of drop rates, pops and winning lots), I think at least the proc system was a step in the right direction as you can boost your chances of a drop. I dunno, I guess I find beating a challenge more rewarding than collecting 'x' number of items or killing 'x' number of monsters.

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Originally Posted by Hercule

stop complain and cry + insulting people that dont think like you, and just done the stuff you can do, why you want the "Super Hardcore items" if you are not a "Super Hardcore player"

Personally i know i will probably never get these stuff, and only a couple of realy hardcore players will done it per server, that the idea

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In other words: As long as something in FFXI doesn't directly affect you, it's quite alright no matter how retarded it is.

What I don't get is why SE would even bother adding anything that takes 2 years to finish much less 10+.

Let's face it, in 10 years these items will either be woefully outdated or nonexistent because the servers will have been shut down. And with the direction SE has been taking lately, I'm guessing the latter will come sooner.

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i have to agree with the other guy, this is just straight ignorant dude. you honestly think this game is gonna be around that much longer? hardly. nowhere even close to reality even. this game is nearly dead as it is, a system like this is only going to start to put nails in the coffin.

think about it. there's hardly any of the "hardcore" players even playing anymore. on top of this SE repeatedly puts in content that is nothing but gigantic time sinks for at best minimal rewards. don't believe me? go look at all of the top tier rewards for VW, then look at the ppl who are 0/300-400+ on these drops. and before you even try to argue that top tier should be earned, you're right, it should be earned, but even "hardcore" players would see where the fault in systems like this lie.

this isn't about ppl not being willing to work towards a goal. this about SE being completely and utterly redundant on level that is staggering, retarded, and just playing sad. expecting ANYONE to spend 10+ years to get top tier anything stupid beyond stupid. lemme put it another way, the average human life span is what? 60-70 nowadays?

telling me that it is perfectly fine to expect ppl to spend 1/6-1/7 of your actual life only to get something that will only be a minimal boost, simply because the creators are arrogant douche bags that think they can decide what we think is fun for us, even back at the games infancy, this would've been nothing short of a bad joke.

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You say that, and you still play 25 years later, Zelda, Mario or Sonic...etc, that are the exact same game since 25 years, they're only got "graphics updates" and "gameplay update"...etc, but the BASE gameplay is still the same, FFXI is an online game that can be updated forever, i spent more than 1 irl life year in FFXI (According 1 year without sleep and not AFK, i play from 2004 with 1 year break pause in 2007), i dont have any reason to restart everything from zero to another MMORPG just for a graphic update or a little gameplay update, mainly if FFXI stay updated and i enjoy it,

For myself, I see no reason to replace old MMORPG if new are not a revolution, and they're actualy not

"Only a few PC will ever complete"

This right here equal's to me a waste of content i'm never going to bother with. Player's want challenge, not a 1 to ??? years to complete trial. Telling the player base something like this is like a kick to the nard's and as your double over in pain just told to deal with it and their be back in 10 minutes to administer another helping. I understand the idea is to have these individual's stand out in a crowd. But it's at the crowd expense that these few player's will ever get these done. And there's no reward for those watching someone else walk away with the prize. I for one agree that atm the rewards don't seem to add up to the sacrifice. And I for one wouldn't want to participate in something that in the end some one gets left out. Whether it would be me or someone else.

You guys thought I was joking when I said that if SE thought they could get away with it they'd include this with every new update. Just wait for it. They're figuring out what stage 1 will entail after they decided to turn what they had into stage 2. And I guarantee you it will once again feel like this. Because it can't be easier than the level 95 trials. Though they might count both stages as one complete trial I guess and stage 1 may very well be fairly "easy." That is, unless they are bright enough to understand their own design and be all like, whoa whoa whoa no one is ever going to finish stage 2 so we need to make stage 1 hard. Yeah...

If I read it right people that have the 95 weapons will be able to obtain the level 99 version fairly easily. Its just the 2nd part which is the Afterglow. I would think the 1st part would be like 20 Dynamis Lord kill or something like that for relics. Which isn't a big deal. Mythics maybe 10-15 PW? If that's the case at least you can get a couple items to use towards afterglow or sell them and divide it out for peoples time. Empyreans I'm not sure maybe there is something new for VW coming out for it? You will still get the stat updates and a level 99 weapon. You just wont glow :( Sort of like the relic +2 items. You get the 1st part of the relic +2 upgrade then the additional trial for the augment, in this case the augment will be Afterglow. At least this is how I read it unless something changed.

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Like it is for some IRL party of dungeon & dragon "paper RPG",
I beleive FFXI and server will stay up a realy long time, SE dont have any reason to turn off servers if there is people to play and till they're frequently adding new content i dont see any reason to stop playing it for myself,
So if you have 10 years+ to done slowly at your rythm your achievment, i think its just good like it

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The problem is, it will take 10+ years playing hardcore. It's not like they're just killing a bunny or two for the day and logging out of the game to tend to real life activities. These aren't simple elemental staff trials. This isn't crafting.

And by the end of the 10 year span, could they look back and say, "Yeah, I spent those last 10 years effectively!"? No. Every moment on a video game is wasted time. The only thing salvageable from playing a game is the enjoyment and relaxation factor. Maybe a small sense of accomplishment and interaction, but mainly for entertainment and relaxation.

The biggest problem with FFXI is that it isn't a relaxing game. When Abyssea came out, many players were relieved that they could finally relax and take things at their own pace. If they wanted to log in for twenty minutes, get some exp with friends, and log out, they could. And now, unfortunately, FFXI is swinging back into its old hardcore self.

Problem is we don't want to go back there.

If I spent 10+ years getting a doctorate then I would say those 10 years were worth it. If I spent 10 years planning for a child and had one then I would say those 10 years were worth it. If I spent 10 years working a job I hated to pay for bills and buy a house then I'd say those 10 years were worth it. But 10 years to make a pixelated item glow?

Not worth it no matter how you look at it.

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If I read it right people that have the 95 weapons will be able to obtain the level 99 version fairly easily. Its just the 2nd part which is the Afterglow. I would think the 1st part would be like 20 Dynamis Lord kill or something like that for relics. Which isn't a big deal. Mythics maybe 10-15 PW? If that's the case at least you can get a couple items to use towards afterglow or sell them and divide it out for peoples time. Empyreans I'm not sure maybe there is something new for VW coming out for it? You will still get the stat updates and a level 99 weapon. You just wont glow :( Sort of like the relic +2 items. You get the 1st part of the relic +2 upgrade then the additional trial for the augment, in this case the augment will be Afterglow. At least this is how I read it unless something changed.

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That's the thing though, SE haven't told us what exactly is the trial for the 1st stage, and what's required for 2nd stage. So that's anybody's guess really. 20 DL (or did you mean Arch DL?) kills for stage 1 relics and 10-15 PW kills for stage 1 mythics could be spot on, or way off. We simply do not know.

Yeah I would think its regular Dynamis Lord OR Diablos for relics. 20x kills. Being that Arch DL has the items for the phase 2 I would think it would be kept separate. But then again there is no Arch PW so I'm not sure what it could be for Mythics. I'm just trying to figure some kind of pattern of what they could be.

If anyone needs an idea of how impossible these items are to obtain, click here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post261707

Why does everyone care about Afterglow? The items people keep talking about are PHASE 2.... who cares if you glow.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...eapon-Upgrades

Look this is the FIRST PART:
[dev1065] Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean Weapon Upgrades

With the forthcoming version update, players will be able to upgrade equipment to level 99 in two stages:

>>>>>> Stage 1 <<<<<< See this right here???????

Possible upgrades will include damage, delay, and weapon skill damage along with other attributes.
The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them. <<<<<< SEE THIS RIGHT HERE
*This content is not yet available on the test server.

>>>>>> Step 2 <<<<<<<<<< See this right here???

Possible upgrades will include special animations along with "Afterglow" effects that grant status benefits to party members.
The corresponding Magian trials will be exceedingly difficult to complete, such that only a select number of PCs will be able to upgrade weapons to this stage.
*Gjallarhorn and Daurdabla may not be imbued with Afterglow effects.

That's all well and good, but it's still not giving us any exact information at all.

Doesn't make any sense why they believe these afterglow effects are worth that much effort. For the amount of work you put it afterglows should do something ridiculous, like make you and your party immune to the last form of damage you did.

Would be nice if they came out and said "We plan on giving you a new full on expansion with new zones and three years of content, so that the 17 other helping you with your impossible weapon have something to do for the next three years that isn't just logging on to help you with your impossible weapon."

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Why does everyone care about Afterglow? The items people keep talking about are PHASE 2.... who cares if you glow.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...eapon-Upgrades

Look this is the FIRST PART:
[dev1065] Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean Weapon Upgrades

With the forthcoming version update, players will be able to upgrade equipment to level 99 in two stages:

>>>>>> Stage 1 <<<<<< See this right here???????

Possible upgrades will include damage, delay, and weapon skill damage along with other attributes.
The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them. <<<<<< SEE THIS RIGHT HERE
*This content is not yet available on the test server.

>>>>>> Step 2 <<<<<<<<<< See this right here???

Possible upgrades will include special animations along with "Afterglow" effects that grant status benefits to party members.
The corresponding Magian trials will be exceedingly difficult to complete, such that only a select number of PCs will be able to upgrade weapons to this stage.
*Gjallarhorn and Daurdabla may not be imbued with Afterglow effects.

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Dude, we can read and my point still stands.

FFXI has an undermanned dev team who obviously are swamped with work because things are always delayed come version update time. We just heard that relic specific pets/magic are being 'reviewed' which translates to being postponed because they've prioritized something above it with regards to the workload.

What could possibly take precedence over relic specific pets/spells? A glow effect 0.005% of your base is going to obtain of course! /facepalm

Seriously? Things get canned or pushed back yet someone at SE was tasked to not only put together afterglows but also the insanity trials that accompany them. Does that sound like a good use of developer time? Developers that are already spread thin? I don't. I think it's stupid and completely showing a lack of priorities.

Now because someone at SE (Tana...someone) decided to prioritize an insanity level trial to get level99, SE now has to work backwards and duplicate work by creating non-afterglow relics/mythics/emps and design trials for these weapons because no one could realize that well.. a no-life tier trial was stupid to begin with.

This further pushes useful content back and keeps players waiting for whatever can then be trickled out. Time that could have been used to give Guttlers/Claustrum unique pets, time that could have been used to put a new healing spell on Mjollnir, time that could have been used to put Massacre Elegy on G.Horn, time that could have been used to make the game............*drumroll*.............. fun.

They should at least make afterglow apply to the wearer and maybe up the stats. Then I'm cool with impossible, as long as the weapon is broken.

The afterglow effects are so worthless that nobody will bother attempting them considering their absurd difficulty.

Basically, the whole point of this thread is: If nobody is going to obtain this and the benefits of doing so are minimal at best, then why even bother to develop this content? There are a lot of better things they could be devoting their time to.