so guys just wanted to have all u BST opinnions, sry if this have been poted before...
is empyrian axe worth spending countless hours on making it? me personally want it for the WS since iv seen ppl deal 4k+ dmg WS with their emps, but not on bst tho, i have done 2.3k ish with rampart in aby, idk if thats decent dmg for a bst, plus i can get nyzul isle WS easier and it might make more dmg then rampage and i can use my charmers merlin axe. so what u guys think, nyzul WS or emp WS? thanks
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10-30-2011, 06:18 PMKvanaEmp Axe
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10-30-2011, 09:09 PMCalamity
I had most of my bukhis horns already just free-lotting during ls events, and fistule was an easy solo which took me 2 nights of farming to complete. Keeping that in mind, I still feel like I put forth more effort than it was worth. Stick with rampage for damage and get primal rend if you really want an elemental ws. You may wanna work on your ws/atma build though. 2.3k is pretty low for rampage inside aby.
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10-31-2011, 01:55 AMXilk
2.3k rampage is pretty normal when the only dd atma you have on is razed ruins.
Even a really excellent rampage is only going to be around 3.5k
Cloudsplitter is not going to be better damage than this.
If you really want to get into the league w/ the damage from other empyreans, you'll be using Guttler at 95. You'll get more bang for it.
Cloudsplitter will outperform primal rend, and outside abyssea it will outperform rampage also (I usually only see around 1200 damage average w/ rampage outisde abyssea). The aftermath is where both will do better damage. -
10-31-2011, 04:46 PMLouispvNo it will not. Primal rend will always do 100-200 more damage than cloudsplitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xilk
No it will not. You are incredibly lucky if you see 1 double damage proc before the aftermath wears off. Your cloudsplitter will be 400-600 damage behind your rampage. (600-800 behind on anything with shell or magic defense bonus) So you need 5-7 double damage procs to beat rampage. At a 30% activation rate that's more than 15-21 swings of just the main hand weapon in 30 seconds to beat rampage. Or about the same speed as hundred fists.Quote:
and outside abyssea it will outperform rampage also (I usually only see around 1200 damage average w/ rampage outisde abyssea). The aftermath is where both will do better damage.
Farsha is absolutely worthless except as a high base damage weapon for rampage, and several other weapons beat it there too. I feel sorry for anyone that wastes time getting it. I feel really sorry for those poor stupid bastards that went to all the trouble of getting an Alard's axe. -
10-31-2011, 05:42 PMCalamity
Fact is, many of us farsha owners were hoping against hope that SE might see fit to improve this sad WS. Our hopes however were dashed, possibly forever by official word from SE that under the most silly, obscure circumstances (inside abyssea, with all 3 of our atmas aimed specifically at cloudsplitter, with 300% tp, an ascetics drink, perfect MAB build, etc, etc, that it could rake in a whopping 4k dmg, and was therefor powerful enough and in no need of improvement. So the sad truth is not only is it now a fairly useless ws, it seems like it will never see better days.
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10-31-2011, 06:05 PMLouispvYou forgot that it was a WAR using it and not a BST, so they got an extra 50 tp from warcry merits, and an extra 50% damage from maxed out restraint.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calamity
I still think they pulled the numbers out of their ass, because they said in the same post that it outdoes primal rend. naked, in appropriate gear, and with appropriate atmas, primal always wins. And a lot less stuff resists light than resist thunder, too. -
10-31-2011, 06:55 PMCalamity
Well, to be fair I don't remember them saying anything about primal rend, and honestly it is possible to achieve the numbers they found. The issue is that in focusing all your atmas towards making it hit those numbers, the effect on your overall dps(or more specifically that of your pet) is catastrophic. Not withstanding that you need additional JA's and items and to be on war, most likely /rdm and for all we know they threw wizard's roll and memento mori or something like that into the mix. Point is, the numbers can be reached, but it would be retarded to do so.
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10-31-2011, 07:45 PMKvana
well well, seems like i dont need to waste more precious time on this crap wich makes me so happy cause i felt like a really gmped bst without it, thanks very much for advice guys :P
so in the end... Rampage wins? -
10-31-2011, 08:09 PMCalamityWithout question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kvana
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11-01-2011, 01:47 PMXilkYou have no cloudsplitter set and you are not paying attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louispv
Cloudsplitter has both str and mnd mods at a higher rate than rend's chr mod. Also the tp modifiers are higher, even though 100% is a little lower. and Cloudsplitter has Aftermath.
The 1200+ rampages outside abyssea are not on anything close to an even match. if you want anything EM or higher, Your rampages will not often break 800. They certainly don't AVERAGE 1200. Whereas the magical WS will be consistent. -
11-01-2011, 03:50 PMLouispv1 STR/MND adds 1.5 damage to cloudsplitter. 1 CHR adds 3.3 damage to primal rend. Primal is always stronger because of it, since you would have to get your STR and MND together to more than 2.2 times larger than your CHR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xilk
In normal melee gear (which has a lot more STR and MND than CHR, thanks to the fact that it's 2 stats vs 1) Primal Rend does more.
In MAB gear and STR/MND for Cloudsplitter and CHR for primal, Primal rend does more damage than cloudsplitter.
With elemental WS atmas, Ultimate/Lion/Blinding horn for cloudsplitter, and Ultimate/Beyond/Baying moon for primal rend, primal rend does more.
Perhaps while brewing cloudsplitter might do a little more due to 2 maxed out 999 mods compared to 1, (though with no dINT comparison, I doubt it) but killing 3 nm's at the same time with aoelian edge beats using a stronger WS anyway. In any other situation, primal rend is stronger.
And aftermath doesn't exist. Do you know how many times I've gone the entire duration without it procing a single time? 30 second duration, with only a 30% proc rate, and only on the mainhand is negligible. It doesn't even make up the lost damage from rampage, much less beat it.
Yes, and your normal hits are doing far less damage as well, so the double damage procs do far less damage. The numbers remain unchanged. Rampage always win, by a mile. If cloudsplitter is winning for you, I'm going to have to say your rampage gear is terrible.Quote:
The 1200+ rampages outside abyssea are not on anything close to an even match. if you want anything EM or higher, Your rampages will not often break 800. They certainly don't AVERAGE 1200. Whereas the magical WS will be consistent.
Believe me, I tried for weeks to convince myself I didn't just waste months of effort getting a farsha, but I did. There is no set up inside or outside abyssea where cloudsplitter is more useful. -
11-23-2011, 01:55 PMStabbytabby
May as well throw in one last try begging SE to fix my Farsha...it seems like it's sad now and with the way elemental ws are calculated there'll be minimal increase in its power compared to the other jobs' physical ws.
Add the aftermath to pet, throw on some dCHR or dINT or whatever. I know it seems to be some kind of SE 'thing' to troll BSTs, but, come on. Show some pity on a job you've seen fit to give both a feeble emp ws to and an army of feeble defense-oriented pets to. :( -
11-24-2011, 12:59 PMSNK
I have a Cloudsplitter set and truthfully Rampage is where it's at for this Axe. The only time this WS really shines is when you pop a brew.
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12-08-2011, 09:55 AMFurlow
With friend braggin about how many coins he farms solo in Dynamis now, sounds like I should work on my Relic axe more. Though i've already started my Emp axe, so still be good even if just a offhand weapon wouldn't it?
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12-08-2011, 11:01 AMVizardx
Farsha wouldnt make a very good offhand axe, a Double attack or a 2-4 axe or even a pet or STR/ATK axe off hand would do more for u than offhanding farsha
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12-08-2011, 12:09 PMAreola
Basically if you don't already have a farsha don't make one, and if you fell for SE's trap and made one already just wear it around like a piece of jewelry. People will think your cool or pity you. I guess that one is kind of a double edged sword <_<.
hmm... maybe I'm being too harsh. cloudsplitter+aftermath does beat rampage one-handed. Soo if you sub non duel-welding jobs its a good weapon...
Oh god i just thought about the people that made the WOE cloudsplitter axe. SE should give them a free month as an apology to them. -
12-08-2011, 06:42 PMCalamityThis does actually strike me as a little harsh. WS aside, this is still a very good main hand axe. Worth making from scratch? Probably not. But if you do already have it there aren't many main hand axes that can stand up to this one. It's got a very high base damage, plus the str on it can benefit Rampage as well as cloudsplitter. The mnd on it can assist your rewards, during scenarios where you'd rather not dump your TP to switch to a zoraal ja.Quote:
Originally Posted by Areola
I'm no less sad at how underwhelming the WS is. But I'm not particularly sorry for making my axe either. -
12-09-2011, 01:22 AMVizardx
I think Farsha was built around the 2005~ BST era. where ppl subed mage jobs and used axe/shield. Farsha would be pretty nice if every BST still subed rdm and used farsha/shield. also calamity has a small point, if u get monster feet+2 and they do give 30% reward u could drop 1 zoraal ja's axe for that extra +MND
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12-09-2011, 05:24 AMConcerned4FFxiThat's a point I been making about the new ws, they actually do more damage then some empyreans and keep pace with others. It's another insult from SE, why waste your time doing nay empyreans unless you are gearing all 20 jobs and need the empyreans for jobs you can't use your 3 fully merited easy to lol get ws with merits. Not that empyreans are back breaking to get, they still require far more effort to acquire and cahnces are no perle sam bst is running around with cloud splitter, but a perle bst will out damage you with the new sympothy ws for bst if your using an empyrean with cloud splitter. It's retarded. Reward the hard workers, nah, just gve everyone a ws that out performs empyreans and call it a day. I understand, if 5 years after empyreans they want the rest to catch up, but come on, the empyreans just came out and they are being outclassed, wtf are these people in SE doing? I tought they wanted people building empyreqans as a time sink, not just saying why bother if I can casually xp my jobs and skill up and while I'm doing that save merits for ws that are just as good if not better than empyrean. The expansions came out too fast and so did the level caps come out too fast and too late, and now they blow through new contenet which makes stuff outdated the minute you aquire it. I want an add-on too, but slow it down, or release gear that isn't replaced in six months, don't have people doing empyrean magian trails get the same results as the casual player (saying, oh empyrean gets aftermath is the dumbest answer I've hear, to distinguish two ws from each other and say that aftermath seperates then is &%#), reward vs. performance, balance vs. power, where is this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Calamity
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12-09-2011, 06:25 AMVizardx
People should have known this was going to happen. IMO everything from 80 to 95 was all just Filler content, just like in anime's. Just something to keep u interested while they work on the real stuff. Pretty soon we are gonna go back to sidegrades and Just-A-Tad better gear once the 99 content starts getting released. Just my opinion tho.
As for Emps being Out classed you dont know what the 99 upgrade holds for emp it may have a nice WS boost hidden in there, I know I wanted to pull my hair out doing Onslaught trials because the WS was so pathetic but now at 95 its all I use outside of aby. Maybe Emps will get similar treatment. -
12-10-2011, 09:46 AMOlor
If anyone complains about the new axe weaponskill being more powerful than cloudsplitter.... I will be one angry bst.
Don't bitch about it. I don't care how much time you spent on a farsha. Don't punish all bsts because you wasted your time. For the love of god. Don't make us be stuck using rampage at 99, because if you get your way they won't boost cloudsplitter they will just nerf the new WS. -
12-10-2011, 01:03 PMAreolaI don't think anyone is complaining about the new ws being stronger then cloudsplitter, or strong in general. I'm just pissed about cloudsplitter being worthless in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olor
To be totally honest I was shocked to here about the damage the new ws was capable of. I was sure SE was going to give axe an other unusable ws. This is the single best thing SE has done for axes as a weapon type in years(most likely ever). -
12-10-2011, 03:05 PMCalamityI'm actually very much looking forward to putting Rampage to rest. ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Olor