Im going to change it up a bit...

I rarely try to post on these forums because of the sheer negative spat that comes from peoples mouths and the simple fact that I think people troll the forums more than they actually play the game anymore. I do, however, want to put in my two cents now.

Over the years, Final Fantasy XI has evolved into something that has made it a fantastic game. The story lines for mission and full expansions are far superior to any other MMO I have ever played and the sheer difficulty of the game when first released (NA release) is what kept me around.

I just wanted to thank the devs and everyone associated with the upkeep of FFXI for keeping it as an exilarating game as possible. It is not easy to always come up with new content for 10 straight years, yet they always have.

The thing that sickens me is the fact that people always complain when they feel something is inadequate. The one that is laughable is the fact that people see Voidwatch as a copout in terms of actually doing a VWNM and its loot process.

I think peoples quam with Voidwatch is that they are now used to being so causal in getting everything (including their 3+ empyrion weapons) that something has actually come out where it takes coordinaton and they are like "OMGZ THIS IS SOOO BAD". I dont think VW is bad, I think it actually takes coordination amongst job selection but actually deciding whether a mob should die, or continue capping procs.

Also dont cry about the loot. Do you remember how many Fafnir's it took to get a Ridill or how many King Behemoth's you had to endure to get a Defender's Ring? Guess what, you could only do those minimum once a day (in the case of KB once every 3-8 days) and the odds of you getting loot was much worse.

Over the years the developers have buckled to those who want a more casual relationship with the game and not make it necessary to camp a HNM at 230am because you wanted to a certain piece of gear. This is good for some people and others despise it, but hey its the direction the game has taken.

My last thought is if you hate the game enough to complain about every little thing that happens, just cancel your account. No one is forcing you to pay to play a game.

Thank you so much everyone associated with FFXI. Thank you for keeping me entertained for the past 9+ years.

(I look forward to the trolling)

When I clicked on this post, I actually expected it to be another 'goodbye I quit, FFXI sux!' thread. I was pleasantly surprised. I agree with all that you've said, and I actually like voidwatch. It's also not exactly hard to find people to do voidwatch, since almost everyone has more than 5 90+ jobs now, the chances are that you can just greab 18 people then work out what jobs they should all be. Really just need a good tank or 2 and a load of proc jobs.

I agree with you 100%. Some things are cups of tea that you like, other times you shouldn't try to change whats in the teacup to suit you, just find a new type of tea.

I'm Actually planning on doing some more fafnir, because IMO the drops are still pretty good. Void Watch could be better, and I'm sure they will add more to it eventually, for now I am not that interested. FYI some people complain on official forums because they are passionate about the game, and really want it to be better. Not all of us are whiny little boofaces (pun intended) who should just quit the game.

Due to being cool on the internet I should continue shoveling out money to pay for my frustration just to say I 'stuck with the game' and 'have been playing for 10 years' or something? That sounds idiotic, thanks for making my point.

I don't know what else to say but.... your the guy he was talking about when he said

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My last thought is if you hate the game enough to complain about every little thing that happens, just cancel your account. No one is forcing you to pay to play a game.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I don't know what else to say but.... your the guy he was talking about when he said

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Some things are dumb and frustrating for no reason though. Pretty much everything outside of abyssea before the lifted level cap on cop.

I'm with you Sevvy. I've only been playing since 2008 but the things I hear from playing for like 5-6+ years and even from my own experience when I joined, everything was rewarding for how challenging it was, even if it was dumb and frustrating. But a lot of those things no longer carry the weight that it use to. 76+ and abyssea has literally spoiled everyone... EVERYONE. If you actually want something, you generally can get it in a matter of hours, if not days. Leveling, new equipment (both drops and AF3), even emp weapons. For those who are even remotely invested in this stuff, it flows like water.

WoE and Voidwatch is breaking the trend, in which you actually invest a gripping amount of time to defeat and obtain items of worth, similar to things expansions before level cap increase and restrictions removed from some areas. It's meant to keep you engaged. It's not perfect a perfect system, but it doing what it's suppose too. How long will anyone stay if they got what they wanted in a few weeks or even hours of doing something before they complain about how bored they are and leave because they "have nothing to do" between updates?

If they had a put out a proper expansion with brand new zones with a real story line and missions we might not get bored after burning though gear content. There is no distraction from gear guess what thats what we end up burning. But being bored wait till the next update is nothing new, look at WoTG. That was a full expansion that they took 3 years to finish. Didn't even add that much for how long it took. Doing that did far more damage to the game then abyssea. When it took a couple of days and the content released for that update was done and people were right back at were they were.

Low drop rates is just a way to extend content so they don't have to produce more content. Back in the good old days they did this on top of forced wait times. I don't really care anymore they will be in this same spot in 10 years with FF14 if it even lives though going pay to play. Really FF14 is the reason the Ps2 hasn't been drop. What kind of message do you think that would send to those looking to play 14 on their Ps3, that when it becomes a burden to the the Game SE will just drop them. Though again thats assuming that it makes it past PS3 lauch and 2.0 rebot. The reviewers will have a field day with a rebot on a game that is 2 years from first release.

I agree with the op on everything about people whine too damn much but I dont find voidwatch to be good content, it's got a great idea behind it yet has horrible mechanics and execution, no one not even SE can defend voidwatch and how lame it is atm. At least hnm we had decent items to look into and none of this c**kblocking on drops due to flawed spoils systems, I would rather low drop rate than low drop rate + crap spoils system.

Off topic but boo they are right, didn't you quit? Get off the forums if you're moving on as you said, you look like a whiney child otherwise, the op silently talking exactly of people like you

I know I'll prolly get some stick after the last thread I posted in on the forum, but meh there's nothing stopping me from commenting on people's threads, regardless of what people want to believe.

But I think you're spot on, there's a lot of negativity, now obviously being an official forum there's a level of feedback and suggestions and personally I think they're great to have (and love the fact SE has taken a more active interest), because at least it means SE can learn what players (old and new) like, don't like and how they think it can be improved. And of course on the other hand you do get people taking it too seriously and going a little over the top, with trolls to feed their frustration too. As you rightly say, there's a lot of negativity.

FFXI is a great game, it has a lot about it that's enjoyable and I think that's important. If people are no longer interested, they can stop playing and if they find interest again then they can carry on playing. Yes, I quit the game (and I'm probably going to be trolled), but if the game isn't going to continue to appeal to me then I ought not expect it to, it would be very self-centred if I expected SE to change the game to specifically suit ME.

At the end of the day it's a video game and in playing MMORPG's I know for certain a lot of people forget that and take things waaaaay too seriously, if it's not going to suit you any more then you don't have to play. So although I am a lowlife scumbag quitter who shouldn't even be posting on this forum! SE have done a bloody good job to make the game good and to keep it going for so long.

I'd like to thank SE for Abyssea most of all, Neo-Dynamis, and now WoE which I'm starting to find is a nice diversion. The new ways of leveling are really refreshing. Trial of the Magians was overall a very nice idea with a few bumps here and there.

I appreciate that SE has made the game more forgiving, and while I have no problems with including content for the truly hardcore, I hope that these trends will continue for those of us who appreciate them.

What would you have people do when S-E makes such glaring mistakes as needlessly restricting the supply of scrolls? Just bend over, grab their ankles, and just take it? Sorry, but that has to be called out with force.

There have been quite a few things that S-E got right in the past year, and I am not stingy in giving them credit where it's due. However, I'd be no better than some of the wanna-be shills on this forum if I didn't make my opinions known when they pull something like the above or pulling a fast one on North American Beastmasters.

I've played this game since late 2005, so I've been around during the first bout with inflation. If it weren't for people who cared about the game's best interest speaking out and calling out flaws in the game, I doubt it would even be here today.

I agree that too much negativity is toxic, but turning a blind eye to problems does a grave disservice to everyone who simply want to have the best possible game experience.

Good original post.

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What would you have people do when S-E makes such glaring mistakes as needlessly restricting the supply of scrolls? Just bend over, grab their ankles, and just take it? Sorry, but that has to be called out with force.

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I wouldn't put it as elequently as you, but yes, that is the nature of FFXI and MMOs in general. The general availability of some items are sparse. Can you count the defending rings on your server? Granted I know that a Defending Ring is much different than say a Scroll of Blizzaja (which I got last night), but its the way FFXI has been for years and years. Drop rates have actually imporved signifigantly because of Abyssea and the availablity of crafting items have gone way up because of it. Just keep going for what you want. You'll eventually get it.