Walk of the no Coin drops??? formerly Walk of echoes

So I am hearing the reports the devs have forgotten to add coins to the loot tables????

Please say this isn't what everyone is experiencing:

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Originally Posted by barber2006
5 runs for me and mule mule today. 3 total coins (2 to mule of course), zero dice. Was in a group of 8 people. Only one pouch in all those total possible runs (so like 1/50 for us). Oh and it was ruin. And it only gave 4 coins. This was alternating flux 2 and 6.

So far collecting all of the people I know that have gone to WOE since the update the total numbers are:

total runs: 77
total coins: 14
total pouches: 1

These were all done on flux 2/5/6 so they don't account for higher drop rates in upper zones (if they exist). But as it stands if coins drop completely unimformally (no way that is a word) it would take about 600 runs to complete a weapon if my sample size is accurate. Now it's small, so its not accurate, but even if you slice that in half to 300 hours, or by 75% to 150 hours it isn't something that I'll be doing. I've been waiting to WOE my gun/bow for a while and am on the coins stage, but there is no way 50 fistule drops, 50 bukhis drops, 50 cara drops, and 50 lanterns would take as long as the woe option from what I see.

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I did conflux 9 last night and did 2 runs one with my mule one without. Got one coin on 2 nd run but it went to my mule of course ( from the chest). The way I see it from my experience in just those two runs, it probably would be just faster to farm an empyrean weapon. I give this new woe update about a month before people stop doing it. Only did flux 9 because that is the only one everyone rushed to get into. We had 36 members. If it wasn't for smn we probably would have not completed it. Summoners own woe.

I messed with it a few times since the new update went live, and the rates truly are horrid. Out of... six runs last night, I gained 2 Glory, 1 Advance, 1 Decay, 1 Ruin, and 1 Devious Dice. I managed to get some nice gear out of there as well as Ice Carol 2, but Sven is right when saying it'd probably be faster to just make the real Emp weapons with the same amount of time it seems the random number generator will have you investing in new WoE. Also, only one person in my group got a pouch off a single run last night, so I'm thinking those were made much rarer compared to older WoE settings, where it was not uncommon to see 2-3 pouches in the pool at the end.

My suggestion to make it better is to remove the Exclusive nature on the coins themselves and make them sellable / tradable, to go along with the new team nature that the revisions have brought to WoE. If not that, would the dev team at least be willing to review the drop rates for pouches, as well as coins themselvese? Face it, they've done alot of content lately and gone on public record at a later time stating drop rates were incorrect, so I consider this to be a possiblity as well.

Well if they would do what you suggested, it would be awesome. Upping the drop rate would help, but making those coins bazaarable at least would be a great help!! Though lately the developers have done a lot of spectacular craps and minuscule updates. I doubt they can top abyssea, the recent additions are backward thinking. Voidwatch are the most horrendous idea ever created. If they are thinking to bring back the 2003-2006 play style then they better get ready for a big drop in subscribers. Perhaps that is their plan so we go play FF14... the other atrocious turds in their collection. Note to developer - look back at the amazing job you did with ToAU and Abyssea, recreate it and continue the awesome works. Make the game easy, fun, and enjoyable and cater to the BIGGEST numbers of your players - screw the minority hardcore who wants the old fashion elitist way of playing. Do this and make TONS of money.

Ugh man I thought and was hoping they fix WOE not make it a complete retarded black hole to play time to complete a knockoff weapon how sad is this bleep....

Sadly this is how it is for now. They fail and fail and fail and fail again and again to adjust to older content outside aby. I mean, for the love of god, just make it on par with abyssea experience!! Voidwatch is another cluster fck. It's like they cannot top abyssea and refuse to adjust the older content outside abysea.

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Originally Posted by HimuraKenshyn

So I am hearing the reports the devs have forgotten to add coins to the loot tables????

Please say this isn't what everyone is experiencing:<BG quote>

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Dont believe everything posted on BG. I did two conflux 5 and 6 with a pt of 6, everyone had at least one coin, one got 2 one got a pouch.

Pre update:
Conflux (Wyverns and Hydra idr): 2 runs, 28 Coin of Decay from pouches (3 pouches total, 2 from Rank 2 personal chest, 1 from area chest) 8 Coin of Glory (1 pouch from Rank 2 personal chest)

Post update:
Conflux 9: 5 runs, 2 Coin of Birth, 1 Coin of Glory, 2 Dice

Way to f*** up SE

WoE coin drops are extremely steady in the new setup, and if you got 5-6 coins a run people would finish weapons and stop doing it in two weeks.

Normally I'm against low drop rates to artificially preserve the lifespan of content, but

1) WoE with 15 people requires slightly less individual contribution and coordination to win than Campaign did at 75, even the new Walks*, and

2) the new system for WoE would be a disaster if you finished a weapon in 2 nights and never went back.




*seriously you are complaining about the reward structure of an event that is literally impossible to lose if enough people are there

One thing to remember is basically everyone who's going is getting coins, instead of one or two people getting several. Though, the problem is, you may not get the coins you want...

What annoys me most is people keep doing the same walks repeatedly, and the higher tier walks don't get unlocked because of it.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

WoE coin drops are extremely steady in the new setup, and if you got 5-6 coins a run people would finish weapons and stop doing it in two weeks.

Normally I'm against low drop rates to artificially preserve the lifespan of content, but

1) WoE with 15 people requires slightly less individual contribution and coordination to win than Campaign did at 75, even the new Walks*, and

2) the new system for WoE would be a disaster if you finished a weapon in 2 nights and never went back.




*seriously you are complaining about the reward structure of an event that is literally impossible to lose if enough people are there

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Can I complain about the reward structure of VW then?

In a week people will remember how shitty WoE is, and then you'll be shouting for 5 SMN in jeuno again

Actually, another thing regarding the one-day cooldown, it's actually a godsend for current WoE; if, say, 36 people are in the zone there's absolutely nothing for any of them to gain by not all going to the same Walk, and the fact that they all become elgible to enter a Walk at the same time makes it really easy to herd them all in there.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Can I complain about the reward structure of VW then?

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Yes, you can absolutely complain about the reward structure of Voidwatch, an event where "swing, die to AoE, auto-reraise, resume swinging" and "pull boss, zerg until people start dying, apply Bio II, wipe, zombie with DoTs/pets until unweakened, repeat" are not viable strategies for completion.

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In a week people will remember how shitty WoE is, and then you'll be shouting for 5 SMN in jeuno again

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Man once everybody gets 75 this boring-ass Campaign shit will be dead

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Originally Posted by scaevola

WoE coin drops are extremely steady in the new setup, and if you got 5-6 coins a run people would finish weapons and stop doing it in two weeks.

Normally I'm against low drop rates to artificially preserve the lifespan of content, but

1) WoE with 15 people requires slightly less individual contribution and coordination to win than Campaign did at 75, even the new Walks*, and

2) the new system for WoE would be a disaster if you finished a weapon in 2 nights and never went back.




*seriously you are complaining about the reward structure of an event that is literally impossible to lose if enough people are there

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Ugh I got no coins in the two hours I was there. Why would I continue to do an event where I am not getting anything I want? I am going to level Summoner and see if the higher damage output makes a difference, if not I won't bother with woe ever again. I farmed an empyrean weapon in 2 weeks I seriously doubt the same can be done in woe.

I've done 6 runs so far flux 5,6 keep getting blackscreened on flux 7 ><

birth 5
advance 1
glory 1
ruin 2
1 die

I like the way it is much better than before imo. Just wish the blackscreen BS could be fixed.

ive seen about a dozen coins (of all types) in 5 runs. Often getting 3 in flux 7.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

WoE coin drops are extremely steady in the new setup, and if you got 5-6 coins a run people would finish weapons and stop doing it in two weeks.

Normally I'm against low drop rates to artificially preserve the lifespan of content, but

1) WoE with 15 people requires slightly less individual contribution and coordination to win than Campaign did at 75, even the new Walks*, and

2) the new system for WoE would be a disaster if you finished a weapon in 2 nights and never went back.




*seriously you are complaining about the reward structure of an event that is literally impossible to lose if enough people are there

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The problem is though Getting People interested in even doing it! most of the stuff is not appealing at all to majority of the player base.. at least as of right now, grand it we still dont know all the new stuff yet.. HOw can anyone acheive anything in this game that requires a group if no one wants to participate..

can anyone verify or estimate how many conflux 7 wins it took to unlock conflux 8?

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Originally Posted by Babygyrl

The problem is though Getting People interested in even doing it! most of the stuff is not appealing at all to majority of the player base.. at least as of right now, grand it we still dont know all the new stuff yet.. HOw can anyone acheive anything in this game that requires a group if no one wants to participate..

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People will want to participate when they see it is a relatively rewarding event that is totally and completely mindless and steadily rewards you with progress towards the second most powerful weapons in the game for virtually any job, with the added benefit of an uncontested shot at items AHing for seven figures.

A few weeks ago I made a thread hand-wringing about this very issue. I am not ready to eat crow just yet (wait to see if people are still doing it when the hype dies down) but once people actually start seeing for themselves how stupidly easy Walk of Echoes is now, I think they will agree with me that complaints about it not being rewarding enough are pretty unfounded.

There's no problem getting people interested on shiva. 30-50 people in the zone at peak time.

Yeah mobbed on Bahamut

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Originally Posted by svengalis

Ugh I got no coins in the two hours I was there. Why would I continue to do an event where I am not getting anything I want?

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Because you can get from Port Jeuno to WoE and finish a run in under a half hour, with virtually 0 cost or requirement of effort on your part.

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I farmed an empyrean weapon in 2 weeks I seriously doubt the same can be done in woe.

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Then the WoE revamp was not designed with you in mind. Were you somehow shocked Campaign was as popular as it was? "Man, why do all these people do Campaign when they could make 30k an hour in a good colibri party!"

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Originally Posted by scaevola

Then the WoE revamp was not designed with you in mind. Were you somehow shocked Campaign was as popular as it was? "Man, why do all these people do Campaign when they could make 30k an hour in a good colibri party!"

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I never understand why people LIKE being gimptastic

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

ive seen about a dozen coins (of all types) in 5 runs. Often getting 3 in flux 7.

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Maybe I am doing the wrong flux!

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

There's no problem getting people interested on shiva. 30-50 people in the zone at peak time.

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It's the same on Phoenix but kinda hard to get them to do anything but flux 9.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

WoE coin drops are extremely steady in the new setup, and if you got 5-6 coins a run people would finish weapons and stop doing it in two weeks.

Normally I'm against low drop rates to artificially preserve the lifespan of content, but

1) WoE with 15 people requires slightly less individual contribution and coordination to win than Campaign did at 75, even the new Walks*, and

2) the new system for WoE would be a disaster if you finished a weapon in 2 nights and never went back.




*seriously you are complaining about the reward structure of an event that is literally impossible to lose if enough people are there

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Walk of echos will take you probably a month or two to finish a weapon.
Empyrean will take you probably a month or two to finish a weapon to 85 IF YOU ARE LAZY

WOE needs to have some amazing Rare/ex gear added. Not just some stupid random number generator trickery. If the drop rates are as they are then the only thing worth going for is the damn sellable items which you can use to BUY the regular empy upgrade items. You cant even be seriously contemplating getting a WOE weapon for any reason as it stands.

Options Available:
Spam WOE and get items to sell to buy empy upgrade items
Do Abyssea and get a true empy to at least 85.

Working on WOE weapons atm seems like a stupid idea. Id hold onto coins till they add more uses for them.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

It's the same on Phoenix but kinda hard to get them to do anything but flux 9.

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We don't have any of the new fluxes open yet, so that's not a problem. :p

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Originally Posted by scaevola

WoE coin drops are extremely steady in the new setup, and if you got 5-6 coins a run people would finish weapons and stop doing it in two weeks.

Normally I'm against low drop rates to artificially preserve the lifespan of content, but

1) WoE with 15 people requires slightly less individual contribution and coordination to win than Campaign did at 75, even the new Walks*, and

2) the new system for WoE would be a disaster if you finished a weapon in 2 nights and never went back.




*seriously you are complaining about the reward structure of an event that is literally impossible to lose if enough people are there

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That's cool, I just got 50 fistule charges and 50 bukhis wings in 2 days and a half. This weapon is also superior to a level 99 WOE version of my weapon because of the ODD. Why does WOE exist again?

Yeah, WoE is pretty fail as it stands.

1: SMN BST COR is really the only way to do it
2: Weapons suck
3: Drop rate to get weapons sucks

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Yeah, WoE is pretty fail as it stands.

1: SMN BST COR is really the only way to do it
2: Weapons suck
3: Drop rate to get weapons sucks

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Huh? Only way to do it? I've been doing it all day today, there's 60 people in the zone, everyone just runs in and the monster/monsters die in 10 seconds and we win. Some people die but everyone gets free reraise. Multiple runs of conflux 4, 6 and 7 all with random people and no problems at all.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

Sadly this is how it is for now. They fail and fail and fail and fail again and again to adjust to older content outside aby. I mean, for the love of god, just make it on par with abyssea experience!! Voidwatch is another cluster fck. It's like they cannot top abyssea and refuse to adjust the older content outside abysea.

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No, it's actually challenging content and not abyssea easy mode. I knew this day would come since they can't just keep adding abyssea zones/content. Voidwatch is amazing content with very unique drops and a great strategic component to it. Is it hard? No, only if you are not able to play the real game and not abyssea.

Back to the good old days of hard and fun group content where skill did matter.

The coin rate is a lot worse then before, seen about 2 pouches total out of the last 20ish runs we have done among my group in particular with about 20 coins total in singles, and die just dont exist. 100 die seems like a yearly accomplishment as it stands and that is terrible especially if WoE popularity reverts to how it was before cuz now you cant even solo. Between this massive roadblock on empy weapons AND now even the lesser WoE who gain far less(and even the elemental trials got very minimal boost). Feels like everything is being turned into 2002 where no1 will complete these trials and people will have to sell their lives to get anything done, very disappointing update. Challenges are fine but pure grinds that last that long are beyond me(my opinion anyways)

haha i get the feeling this is gonna be a repeat of the dynamis change XD SE says they increase overall rate to get coins(currency) everyone is getting crap. couple weeks go by, people figure something out (dynamis-procs) and start making more currency than they could before...

well maybe, it just reminds me of that >.> but me personally, i'm getting more coins than i used to. 6 or 7 runs and got 13 or so coins total, and 2 dice (yea dice could be better x.x) BUT i think that because we all get our own item pool now, thus getting coins we may not need and others getting ones we DO need, it makes the illusion that there are much less coins. though in reality more are being distributed. just a thought. i made a thread in battle content sections requesting a way to kick items into a pool that anyone in the run can lot (like abyssea) i think that would go a long way in helping

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

That's cool, I just got 50 fistule charges and 50 bukhis wings in 2 days and a half. This weapon is also superior to a level 99 WOE version of my weapon because of the ODD. Why does WOE exist again?

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New spells and items.

Also, since more people are inclined to do WoE now, someone who has no means at all to do an empy weapon can at least join in on runs and get coins from boxes.

Well the drop rate for the coins still bad. 1/3 Runs for 1 coin is the average. The event still bad planed too.

The posible solutions for this.

1.- If they want keep the restriccion 1 vanadial day entry. Then the NQ mobs can drops coins too and these coins will go free lot, having 36 players there will be hard win the lots but at least is a extra chance, adding more NQ mobs for the people farm them before clean the Battlefield and keep our chest reward at the end.

2.- Taking off the 1 vanadial day entry and uncap the 36 people limit. So we can spam all runs we want.

3.- I hope Square explain us, "How work the evaluation system for WoE". If is identical campaing, or if is like the old WoE the top 5 guys get best rewards, if heals, elemental magic, ninjutsu how affect this for our evaluation, if the WS count as damage ?? I hope CAMATE can explain us how work the evaluation system.

The first. If you have multiple jobs lv90 - 95. Work on all the coins at the same time. Dont focus only 1 because it will take 60 - 100 Runs average.

So if you have Monk, War, Sam and Thief. Work on all the coins same time.

I started 1 week before the update work on my coins. Doing 5 Runs per day, i got 13 Coins of decay, 17 Coins of Birth, 12 Coins of adv and 15 coins of glory.

35 runs and i got all these coins

Now after the update yesterday i did 9 runs and today i did 10 runs. Im 23 Coins of decay, 27 Coins of birth, 17 coins of glory i lose a pouch of coin of glory because paralice epic fucking fail -_-, 18 Coins adv.

Now The point is this. The WOE weapons almost all, are the second best weapons in the game. If i keep going and i dont stop for about 1 week more. Im sure i will finish the coins for 4 jobs. In 3 weeks i will have enough coins for get 4 NQ empyreals. (Im More worry for get the help for Kill the shit like erebus/chesma etc)

Now yes this weapons cant do the same damage like the Original empyreal weapons. But the margin diference is just decent. The diference margin of a empyreal/WOE DD vs a DD without a empyreal is a lot for almost all jobs.

Inside of Einjerhar tier 3 The same player using Uko/WoE/Widow assuming he is a great player with 26% haste stuff and he know what is doing. Will parse like this

The War with Uko will parse 95k
The War with WOE will parse 85k
The War without a empyreal weapon will fail until 70 k in a parse.



In my opinion. Work some weeks for get WOE weapons on your DD jobs is a good temporal upgrade. With this you can ungimp your jobs, then slowly and with calm you can work on a real empyreal.

Some people forget, not everyone have access dual box,not everyone have acess a nice group of 4 - 6 people for spam 15 hours of farm and not everyone will be killing 4 - 6 NMS with 1 brew.

I have the disturbing feeling that WoE coins will be needed for relic +2 upgrades.

When I went, people only were doing one flux, and it was always capped. there were 0 people in every other flux. Usually got 1 coin per run but always coin of ruin. But it is very easy to see that in a month people will just stop doing then it will be almost impossible to finish a Woe weapon because you can't beat a flux unless you drag people from ls to do it 400 times with you to hopefully get 30 coins you need.

they completely killed the content. It is only time before it is dead. Maybe they should have mobs drop coins again and keep the chest at end for everyone when they clear.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

That's cool, I just got 50 fistule charges and 50 bukhis wings in 2 days and a half. This weapon is also superior to a level 99 WOE version of my weapon because of the ODD. Why does WOE exist again?

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Let's Mathing!


50 Discharges from a 15-minute respawn NM; we'll assume 5 minutes on average to low-man kill just for a nice round number of 20 minutes total per kill. We'll also be generous and assume you're never beaten to a claim and that you get an average of 1.5 discharges per kill, again to make it nice and round. At these numbers, you're looking at 11 hours of Fistule, again assuming you never once get outclaimed and you always have a Bloodguzzler ready to go the moment Fistule repops.

For Bukhis, there are way more variables since you can get all items from Gold Pyxides but I will be EXTREMELY generous and say 15 minutes per Bukhis kill on average, which includes building lights, farming extra time, getting lucky on KIs, and actually killing Bukhis. Note that without acceptable cleavers you'd be lucky to go through half as fast. Assuming an average of 1.5 wings per Bukhis kill, you're looking at 8 hours 20 minutes to finish.

So, you spent 19 hours and 20 minutes over the course of two and a half days playing Final Fantasy XI (I assume you have a job and occassionally sleep as well), and you're asking me why I would bother with something I can knock out 20 minutes at a time while I'm folding laundry?


Now, I'm not gainsaying your life choices; I mean, there are plenty of people with miserable lives out there and most of them can't claim to have made an 85 Empyrean in two days. But just looking at you bragging about doing so and knowing nothing else about you, it's hard to interpret it as anything other than "fast track to dying alone" and again, not judging, I'm happy with it if you are, but please don't expect me to think you have any worthwhile insights as to how anyone else ought to spend their own time, okay?




(also, though one could easily complete an 85 Empyrean over the course of say, two months, I personally would rather spend two months of casual play to get really good weapons for four jobs than a really, really good weapon for one. YMMV)

I got my 30 coins of decay in 3 days with old WoE, with the new 2 coins of birth in 3 days. I though the objective was to increase the drop rate of coins, not decrease it....

1 coin average? in 7 runs of #7, I got 3/4 coins almost every time. Only one time I got no coins.

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I got my 30 coins of decay in 3 days with old WoE, with the new 2 coins of birth in 3 days. I though the objective was to increase the drop rate of coins, not decrease it....

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The *total* rate of coins is increased because almost everyone who participates recieves one or more instead of only a few people.