new blm spells

anyone find the new blm spells? i am not shocked that you cant get comet from a npc but thunder V and blizerdja?

Either VWNMs or the ne BCNMs.

so far with talking to friends from other servers no one is finding them anywhere. This is very disconcerting to me as I don't think any of the blm/whm spells have been seen. Pinning Noc, was found in a KSBCNM fight so I would assume that those are one source for the spells. but still makes no sense to not have the V , -ja, -ga, on the NPC. Thanks for nothing SE per normal the mages of FFXI get shut out in the dark.

Blizzaja is from WoE: http://www.ffxiah.com/screenshots/60979 (Not my screenshot obviously.)

Comet was confirmed to come from one of the new KCNMs, Antagonistic Ambuscade.

Source: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107...=1#post4799667

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Originally Posted by Rubicant82

so far with talking to friends from other servers no one is finding them anywhere. This is very disconcerting to me as I don't think any of the blm/whm spells have been seen. Pinning Noc, was found in a KSBCNM fight so I would assume that those are one source for the spells. but still makes no sense to not have the V , -ja, -ga, on the NPC. Thanks for nothing SE per normal the mages of FFXI get shut out in the dark.

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How is this screwing over mages? Just go do some of the new BC fights with some friends I am sure you have plenty of seals if you done any kind of exping. I seen people shout for this stuff too could join one of those. Can't expect everything in the game just to be handed to you with little effort.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

How is this screwing over mages? Just go do some of the new BC fights with some friends I am sure you have plenty of seals if you done any kind of exping. I seen people shout for this stuff too could join one of those. Can't expect everything in the game just to be handed to you with little effort.

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If you like to do BCNMs for gil/loot, then more power to you. But the fact is most people don't and BCNMs are a complete waste of time. Let's say you're starting from scratch. Farming 50 Kindred's Crests at a rate of 6-8 per hour solo, that's about 7 HOURS of nonstop farming just to buy the entrance requirement. Also take into the fact that it normally takes another 90mins-2 hours finding 5 others to join your BCNM run. And for what? a 5% chance at getting the spell you need? forget it, its not even worth it. So instead of making it so you can buy the spell off an NPC at a moderate price or being able to farm it solo in a short amount of time just like every other Black Mage spell thats come out since the cap was raised from 75, they make it a huge inconvenience and a timesink.

This has very little to do with effort. Theres a reason why Raise 3 and Utsu Ni has shot up in price over the last couple years, and thats because nobody bothers with BCNMs anymore. Theres plenty of other ways to make gil or worthwhile things to do in your spare time in FFXI.

It's a bit disconcerting how rare the new spells are right now. Not just black mage spells, Holy II, Curaga V, Absorb-Attri also have made 0 or limited appearance. After walking up to a NPC and buying the last few rounds of spells, people are surprised we are back to the bncms with a 5% drop rate. But oh well, only need to get lucky on them once I guess.

Also, making the scrolls this rare only makes it easy for RMT to come in and manipulate the prices for them on the AH.

If you don't like farming kindred crest then farm gil. Whats the problem? In a few weeks the price of scrolls will have normalized to about 1 million per KCNM drops, just like the previous KCNM drops (calmecac leggings etc). Its a great idea to put them from KCNM, it will make money more usefull. Its not like you have to do the KCNM or WoE to get them, they're not rare/ex. Looks like that blizzaja can drop from conflux 6? did a 6 and 5, nothing worth except coins. conflux 7 and up not unlocked here.

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Originally Posted by InspectorGadget

Also, making the scrolls this rare only makes it easy for RMT to come in and manipulate the prices for them on the AH.

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There we go. People who move their ass out of port jeuno to farm them are RMT ? lol.

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Originally Posted by InspectorGadget

Also, making the scrolls this rare only makes it easy for RMT to come in and manipulate the prices for them on the AH.

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Voidwatch drops have been rare and RMT haven't moved in and manipulated those. I doubt any RMT left in the game will have that many KC's/HKC's and trek to Monarch Linn etc. just to manipulate your market.

Man, those Utsusemi: Ni scrolls sure do screw over Ninjas because they come from BCNMs. What about Refresh and Phalanx? Oh dear, I mean, there's no way any mage is ever going to be able to get those without being ripped off by RMT.

Nice to see some additional winners from Lakshmi show up

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Oh dear, I mean, there's no way any mage is ever going to be able to get those without being ripped off by RMT.

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Originally Posted by Monchat

There we go. People who move their ass out of port jeuno to farm them are RMT ? lol.

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Wow, you guys dont know how price manipulation works, do you?

Farm them all you want, whats to stop an RMT from buying them all off the auction house and reselling at a higher price? Happens more often that you think.

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Originally Posted by Mahoro

Voidwatch drops have been rare and RMT haven't moved in and manipulated those.

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Voidwatch drops are far from rare, and comparing sidegrade-at-best gear with magic scrolls that are pretty necessary to their respective jobs, and the thousands of mages out there that need it, is pretty laughable.

I know that legit players manipulate the market all the time, and that if you were smart you'd do the same. Crying RMT in this day and age is retarded. You pay what you think the item is worth. If people don't believe an item is worth X amount of gil, then they won't buy it. If people are willing to pay more, of course people are going to increase the price on the market.

The scrolls are vital for their respective jobs. But they're not hard to get, either. You can either be a buyer or a seller. If you think you're getting ripped off by the sellers, then stop being a buyer and go do the KCNM and WoE yourself.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I know that legit players manipulate the market all the time, and that if you were smart you'd do the same. Crying RMT in this day and age is retarded. You pay what you think the item is worth. If people don't believe an item is worth X amount of gil, then they won't buy it. If people are willing to pay more, of course people are going to increase the price on the market.

The scrolls are vital for their respective jobs. But they're not hard to get, either. You can either be a buyer or a seller. If you think you're getting ripped off by the sellers, then stop being a buyer and go do the KCNM and WoE yourself.

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In the end, this is why its such a problem. Instead of waiting around for supply and prices to (hopefully) normalize. They couldve just made the new spells readily available to anyone that wants to pay a set amount to an NPC and be done with it. Up to this point we never had to deal with it, so why now?

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Originally Posted by InspectorGadget

In the end, this is why its such a problem. Instead of waiting around for supply and prices to (hopefully) normalize. They couldve just made the new spells readily available to anyone that wants to pay a set amount to an NPC and be done with it. Up to this point we never had to deal with it, so why now?

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Have you really never looked at Phalanx, Raise III, Refresh, or Utsusemi: Ni? Plenty of powerful spells come from BCNMs or from (previously) powerful NMs. Scorpion Harnesses and Haubergeons used to be exceedingly rare, too, back when D Ingots and V Claws were really hard to find and only dropped off HNM-tier monsters.

People were pissed off when Abyssea made the game easy. Now the Dev team is normalizing things again, and adding in content that isn't a gimme. People should be overjoyed.

its not so bad that they are dropped from bc fights, I got all my scrolls like refresh, utsu ni and such from the bcnms and its not really that bad. Whats the difference between farming them in aby for a few hrs and go doing bcnms for a few hrs. Meh its nothing to get so worked up over.

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Originally Posted by Michae

Whats the difference

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SE just annoying players for absolutely no reason at all. The spells listed they haven't done in years, it's like expecting them to suddenly throw new cor die into bcnms even though you can buy pretty much..most if not all of them from Nash or Zahbi, that's the thing, it's not the fact it's moved to a BCNM or whatever, it's the fact there was no reason to do as such with basic spell progression. Comet I can understand if it completely changes the job like Phalanx and Refresh did, but it doesn't, it's only a novelty spell in the end which I guess is why they did it.

So many tears

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Originally Posted by Rearden

So many tears

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I honestly haven't seen anyone crying, I've seen more people annoyed than anything.

Annoyed that they actually have to put forth a modicum of effort to get what they want?

Boo. Hoo.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Annoyed that they actually have to put forth a modicum of effort to get what they want?

Boo. Hoo.

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Yep, that's exactly it! :D

Edit: Since you're not the type to pick up on sarcasm, I bet you believe Emps on Chloris path have no reason to complain despite Gun and GSD for example only need 2 NMs to spawn their Item collection NM.

"You have to do extra work for what you want boo hoo"

There's a difference between extra work for what you want than having to do something for no reason other than just to be an annoyance. Why does it take 4-5 NMs to pop Chloris versus 2 to pop Carabosse? Things that like versus "Why could I buy almost all of my other new spells from NPCs or get them very easily then all of a sudden I now have to do "x event"?

If you haven't caught onto SE's pattern by now, you'll easily take anything they do and be happy with it. Sadly, not everyone else feels that way and why XI doesn't have a large player base, not because people would "cry about difficulty" but because a lot of direction for certain things is just..plain to annoy people.

HKC Arenas clearly weren't that popular.

Chloris is pretty tough

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yep, that's exactly it! :D

Edit: Since you're not the type to pick up on sarcasm, I bet you believe Emps on Chloris path have no reason to complain despite Gun and GSD for example only need 2 NMs to spawn their Item collection NM.

"You have to do extra work for what you want boo hoo"

There's a difference between extra work for what you want than having to do something for no reason other than just to be an annoyance. Why does it take 4-5 NMs to pop Chloris versus 2 to pop Carabosse? Things that like versus "Why could I buy almost all of my other new spells from NPCs or get them very easily then all of a sudden I now have to do "x event"?

If you haven't caught onto SE's pattern by now, you'll easily take anything they do and be happy with it. Sadly, not everyone else feels that way and why XI doesn't have a large player base, not because people would "cry about difficulty" but because a lot of direction for certain things is just..plain to annoy people.

HKC Arenas clearly weren't that popular.

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Ironically, I have both Armageddon and Verethragna. I'm not complaining, and I never did. These HKC fights are also stupid amounts of easy. Like, to the point where all I can do is laugh my ass off at the people who are unwilling to even bloody try the fights with a small group of people and see how they go. My buddies and I are spam clearing the HKCNM30s with 3 minute wins with absolutely no difficulty.

If people are seriously so absolutely, positively ingrained with laziness that they won't even bother to get up and try the fights, then they deserve to be stuck paying the crappy AH rate. But by all means, keep it up, because all it means is more gil for me and mine.

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Originally Posted by Rearden

Chloris is pretty tough

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I know right?

What's the approximate rate of the comet drop? I am seeing a lot of 0/6 from groups going. On Bismark no scrolls are up yet for any new blm spells. Has thunder V been found yet?

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Originally Posted by Siiri

Has thunder V been found yet?

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According to one of Asura's local mouthbreathers, pots in Sky.

My response was "Come on, make it believable. If they dropped off pots, it'd be the Sentient Carafes in Fei'Yin."

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SE just annoying players for absolutely no reason at all. The spells listed they haven't done in years, it's like expecting them to suddenly throw new cor die into bcnms even though you can buy pretty much..most if not all of them from Nash or Zahbi, that's the thing, it's not the fact it's moved to a BCNM or whatever, it's the fact there was no reason to do as such with basic spell progression. Comet I can understand if it completely changes the job like Phalanx and Refresh did, but it doesn't, it's only a novelty spell in the end which I guess is why they did it.

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Main thing all this shows to me is the influence again of Tanaka and that the game is now firmly moving back to the old ways, rare drops in very limited supply to make sure not everyone will get them. Scrolls and armors are first but endgame will slowly start to shift back to the minority too, I can even now see HNM with disgustingly long windows making a comeback under this new leadership. I laughed at the 1500 plate emp upgrades with minor enhancments too.

FFXI all open access is slowly being phased out, i'm not sure how I feel about the game going back to old ways but I know most people are going to baulk at the game going back to the tiny minory having access to a lot of things, for instance it just used tobe accepted that most people would never ever get certain items...but i'm not sure that will go across well with how they have run XI for the past few years. Also yes I know these BCNM aren't that hard but it is definately a sign of a change in direction for FFXI.

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Originally Posted by MDenham

According to one of Asura's local mouthbreathers, pots in Sky.

My response was "Come on, make it believable. If they dropped off pots, it'd be the Sentient Carafes in Fei'Yin."

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I'v fought those for half a day and nothing of value drops off them, of course there is always that low drop rate chance but i'v fought maybe 30 of them and nothing, probably not from them.

Don't pots drop Thunder IV, not thunder V? Also someone paid 8 mil for thunder V on asura.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

Don't pots drop Thunder IV, not thunder V? Also someone paid 8 mil for thunder V on asura.

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I have no words to describe the amount of laughter this brought.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

Don't pots drop Thunder IV, not thunder V? Also someone paid 8 mil for thunder V on asura.

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Would rather have me some Gaiters.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Would rather have me some Gaiters.

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idk man, I just 3manned Tia and I had to run all the f'ing way out here to do it. I'm selling these gaiters for 15m. Gouge those BLM!!!!

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Main thing all this shows to me is the influence again of Tanaka and that the game is now firmly moving back to the old ways, rare drops in very limited supply to make sure not everyone will get them. Scrolls and armors are first but endgame will slowly start to shift back to the minority too, I can even now see HNM with disgustingly long windows making a comeback under this new leadership. I laughed at the 1500 plate emp upgrades with minor enhancments too.

FFXI all open access is slowly being phased out, i'm not sure how I feel about the game going back to old ways but I know most people are going to baulk at the game going back to the tiny minory having access to a lot of things, for instance it just used tobe accepted that most people would never ever get certain items...but i'm not sure that will go across well with how they have run XI for the past few years. Also yes I know these BCNM aren't that hard but it is definately a sign of a change in direction for FFXI.

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I don't particularly disagree with all of your points but what exactly did people want with these scrolls? A hand out? Then what? Boredom?

If you can do everything in a day, the game becomes a joke. Now sure, the scrolls are being overpriced right now because people are stuck in infinite laziness mode and any modicum of effort is apparently too much to ask but how about putting in the slightest effort before complaining? People are sitting on mountains of kindred crests and what better way for SE to cut down the supply?

As more people do WoE, Voidwatch and KCNMs the price will fall and eventually these scrolls will go into healthy supply when the initial rush is over. All I see in many of the whining posts are people spoonfed on Abyssea to the point where even grouping up with some people or trying new content is just too much.

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Originally Posted by InspectorGadget

Voidwatch drops are far from rare, and comparing sidegrade-at-best gear with magic scrolls that are pretty necessary to their respective jobs, and the thousands of mages out there that need it, is pretty laughable.

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Have you seen the total #'s of AH history for stuff like Akupara Shell, Kholomo Hide, Jingang, Tefnut etc, as well as ALL the special headpieces like Cuauhtli, Hyksos etc? They are "rare" relative to other stuff in this game due to drop rate. Certainly rare relative to WoE drops and the like.

Jingang has been pretty popular, and the fact RMT's haven't moved in and started spamming the Tonberry should give an indication. Any number of lucrative gear pieces have been released in the last year (Neo-Dynamis drops for example) but I have yet to see an army of people with keyboard smash names farming the content.

In any event, the new BLM spells have been confirmed to drop from WoE, Voidwatch, AND BCNM, so the moaning will likely cease as more and more scrolls flood the AH.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

I don't particularly disagree with all of your points but what exactly did people want with these scrolls? A hand out? Then what? Boredom?

If you can do everything in a day, the game becomes a joke. Now sure, the scrolls are being overpriced right now because people are stuck in infinite laziness mode and any modicum of effort is apparently too much to ask but how about putting in the slightest effort before complaining? People are sitting on mountains of kindred crests and what better way for SE to cut down the supply?

As more people do WoE, Voidwatch and KCNMs the price will fall and eventually these scrolls will go into healthy supply when the initial rush is over. All I see in many of the whining posts are people spoonfed on Abyssea to the point where even grouping up with some people or trying new content is just too much.

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[Comment deleted by Moderator]. Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

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I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

That BG narrative doesn't fly here. Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

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As said above, the scrolls have been confirmed to drop from multiple sources. As with all new items, the prices will tank soon enough. Dismissing someone as having BG mentality for suggesting that someone who wants the scrolls early should just go out and DO THE CONTENT from which they drop is overly reductionist, inflammatory, and illogical to boot.

first off i am not lazy and had you red my question /statement at all you mite had said i don't mind comit being on a
HKNM am mor pissed off that they put thunder V on a HKNM. all the other T V spells can be got off a npc so why not the last one?

am tyerd of people assuming one is lazy just for being anored at sum thing being a pain to get. but then again sum of you saying were lazy are the same that think its 100% cool to have a NM that only 1% of the game can kill so they can lort it over the rest of us how cool they are while they boted a NM.

i don't have a problem with farming spells gear what butters me is when the DEVs do this when its spells that mages will be expected to have and if they don't will be chastised by people that have never leveled the job but "know how to play it"

2011: You don't have BLM leveled?

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Originally Posted by Hayward

That BG narrative doesn't fly here. Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

The same members of that charming society known as BlueGartr who spout this nonsense about "lazy" players are probably the same folks who have endorsed and used every exploit in the book, past and present, to preserve their "elite" status for the least amount of effort.

I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

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