DRK in Aby

Does anyone have a good gear setup for DRK's playing in Aby. I noticed how incredibly weak DRK's are there. I'm watching THF, NIN, and MNK put up 1000-2000 damage vs my 200.

Also, why can every DD tank mobs but if DRK gets hate once, we're dead. Does anyone know if the updates will fix DRK's becoming top tier damage dealers again?

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Originally Posted by Rafien

Does anyone have a good gear setup for DRK's playing in Aby. I noticed how incredibly weak DRK's are there. I'm watching THF, NIN, and MNK put up 1000-2000 damage vs my 200.

Also, why can every DD tank mobs but if DRK gets hate once, we're dead. Does anyone know if the updates will fix DRK's becoming top tier damage dealers again?

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Lack of crit based ws is at least one of the reasons why drk is weak in abyssea - much like sam. That being said, I don't see why a drk can't tank (not any and all nms mind you), if you sub sam for seigan/TE and have a -MDT and -PDT set and a healer obviously. Problem is, a mnk, nin or war will rip hate from you very fast due to their damage output. But weak? I don't know, I have done 4k+ Guillotines without souleater - on exp mobs (La Theine frogs) mind you, but that's still waaaay better than your average exp alliance DD.

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Originally Posted by Rafien

Does anyone have a good gear setup for DRK's playing in Aby. I noticed how incredibly weak DRK's are there. I'm watching THF, NIN, and MNK put up 1000-2000 damage vs my 200.

Also, why can every DD tank mobs but if DRK gets hate once, we're dead. Does anyone know if the updates will fix DRK's becoming top tier damage dealers again?

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I can't provide a specific equipment set-up, other than to say go for 25% haste in equipment and make friends with Last Resort. Last Resort is an awesome bro and it will wing-man for you every time. Well, assuming the trashy college bar is referring to Vana'diel and the freshmen so drunk that they've technically already said no are actually monsters in Abyssea. You get the idea, though! Last Resort is awesome!

1000-2000 isn't so good in and of itself, unless you're talking really difficult Notorious Monsters. I'm pretty sure that my averages are higher than that on Blue Mage with general purpose Atmas and Beast Master with not-so-good equipment and Atma choices that took my pet into account.

If you're averaging 200 on weapon skills, I'd say the problem is some combination of lack of food, poor Atma choice, or not having a weapon skill set rather than simply a mediocre equipment set. I'm not trying to be a jerk when I say this, but 200 is a melee hit in Abyssea.

Assuming you're using Guillotine, I have no ideas which atma to recommend since the weapon skill benefits from neither TP bonus nor critical hit bonuses. My tentative guess is Atma of the Voracious Violet/Strong Arm (depending on if the regain from VV affects hits to 100 TP), Atma of the Razed Ruin solely for benefits to your melee phase, and Atma of the Apocalypse.

I have no jobs similar to Dark Knight, so I've never done the math about equipment nor have I memorized another party's math. Sorry that I can not be more help.

I will encourage you by saying this, though. Any melee can be a beast within Abyssea. Certain melee are BETTER and BEST, beyond all doubt, but any melee can perform well enough to kill anything within a completely reasonable timeframe. So if you really enjoy Dark Knight, keep at it.

As for the dying thing, that's pretty much fixed the same way by all jobs. A White Mage with a brain and a -Magic Damage Taken set for stuff that would kill you faster than Cure V would un-kill you. Monk and Ninja have a lead in defenses, but almost any melee can survive in Abyssea. So, again, don't get down and keep at it!

If you have a Caladbolg, sub MNK and use Gnarled Horn on one of your atmas. Even without an empyrean, it's a viable sub if you expect to tank/pull hate. It's quite fun to play, seeing mobs kill themselves on 500 damage counters.

I do this often, DRK/MNK with atmas Gnarled Horn, Mounted Champion, and Razed Ruins. It's an odd combo but it certainly works solo.

In a party, I suggest taking out Mounted Champion for a real damage atma such as Violet.

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Originally Posted by Zatias

If you have a Caladbolg, sub MNK and use Gnarled Horn on one of your atmas. Even without an empyrean, it's a viable sub if you expect to tank/pull hate. It's quite fun to play, seeing mobs kill themselves on 500 damage counters.

I do this often, DRK/MNK with atmas Gnarled Horn, Mounted Champion, and Razed Ruins. It's an odd combo but it certainly works solo.

In a party, I suggest taking out Mounted Champion for a real damage atma such as Violet.

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Wouldn't Mounted Champion contribute quite a bit to damage since Torcleaver has a heavy VIT mod and you'll probably be fSTR/att capped on everything anyway? I ask this in total ignorance of how DRK may be different from any other two-handed DD.

I DO know enough about DRK to say Caladbolg/Espafut +2 is arguably more important to it than Empyreans are to pretty much any other job, though.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

Wouldn't Mounted Champion contribute quite a bit to damage since Torcleaver has a heavy VIT mod and you'll probably be fSTR/att capped on everything anyway? I ask this in total ignorance of how DRK may be different from any other two-handed DD.

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Yeah it would, but I was keeping in mind that not everyone is a Caladbolg DRK.

Also, regain and double attack is better for DoT alone. You will be meleeing more than weaponskilling XD

Fair enough; I'm mostly interested in the idea of MC being a standard atma for DRK to somewhat offset a desire to take a ton of damage to fuel Scarlet Delerium.

DRK/MNK already looks like it's got a lot of synergy, since as you say DRK counters harder than pretty much any job in the game and the defense reductions on Last Resort and Counterstance add up to not really mean anything anyway.

Again, I know very little about DRK beyond Napkincraft.

I don't claim to be the best drk, but it is a job I enjoy a lot. I have seen some great damage by drks, but of course in Abyssea they lack the flashy crit hit weaponskills. Despite this, make sure you still get Razed Ruins, because the crit in your melee DOT will be outstanding. Pair it with a triple attack atma like A%O or Apoc and watch the 1k crits. I have seen our main drk crit for 800+ 3 times in a row. As for 3rd atma, it is situational to me. I have never tried drk/mnk, but I have heard great things about it as stated in the thread. VV is good to help with x-hit builds and there are probably 3 or 4 other solid choices for 3rd atma.

Since you talked about gear here is some ideas for tp sets. Not 100% sure on ws sets, still building mine. Gear haste is 25.6% or just round up to 26%, you should be shooting for that. In addition with a /sam sub you should be aware of your x-hit build. (How much store tp you have which helps you lower the amount of swings to get to 100tp)

TP SET
Head- Bale Head +2/Zelus tiara
Neck- bale gorget
Body- Bale Body +2
Hands- Bale Hands +2
waist- Goading belt/speed belt/n. sash (if swift belt is best you got wear it while you work on goading, drks without haste belt are not good)
Legs-Calmecac Trousers/ Ace's hose
Feet- Homam/ Ace's
Rings- Rajas for sure on one-the other probably blitz if not haste capped-or hoard if going for lower x-hit build
Earrings Brutal always- 2nd could be Bale or Aesir or Centaurus or maybe I am missing something
Back- Atheling Mantle


WS set- i probably need suggestions myself here
Head-Twilight
Body-Twilight
hands-heca/heafoc/bale +2
Neck-elemental gorget
waist-either elemental waist that corresponds to weaponskill or something with a lot of strength and attack
legs- Bale legs +2
feet- Bale feet +2/heca maybe still
Rings-Raja / Strength ring

I am sure other drks may have better ideas, but these are stuff that isn't too bad to get. As for weapons, I would work on Caladbolg, its not a bad trial at all. I am still working on it but its pretty easy just a question of putting aside a bit of time. If you don't have that yet, I would consider woeborn scythe, or twilight scythe. WOE would be nice as well, and I hear redemption, while not a great weapon per se, still has the ODD and a great x-hit build.

I have heard 2 drks in my linkshell complain about their damage in abyssea. The first, upon further examination was using a lvl 73 death scythe. The 2nd, who was primarily a mage, and whose drk I never saw really except once, which was on the blue gartr gimp thread. He was wearing a tamas ring and had like 10% haste. I was hoping to help him, but he started a break like the day after he showed up on the BG thread. I don't think they were related though.

Sorry this is long winded, hoped it gave another perspective for you struggling with drk. It isn't an easy bandwagon job, but I think its a lot of fun.

I'll give you a few atma setups, and optimal TP setup with a good starter WS setup.

Atma:
RR/SS/Apoc: Honestly you have capped Haste most of the time, something most jobs can't get with just 2 people supporting them. Your auto-attack damage is something you should be looking at. This atma set is the best possible white damage setup there is.

RR/VV/Apoc: This focuses on weaponskill frequency and white damage mix. Losing SS is hard, since it also adds Souleater damage from HP. However, if you can make up for all that white damage with more powerful WS's, go for it.

VV(or some kind of VIT atma for Torcleaver?)/GC(Griffon Claw)/AO(Alpha and Omega): This focuses solely on WS damage. I don't suggest this to anyone since it's DPS is soooo poor. It's mostly for the situations where you're sitting around 90% of the time and get to come in to WS occasionally. I can't think of many applications for this atma off the top of my head; maybe doing Rani/Raja legit?

Basic TP Gear, 6hit Kriegsmesser (Best non-ToM, Relic GS if my memory serves me right):
Kriegsmesser/Rose strap/x/White Tathlum
AF3+2/AF3/AF3/Brutal
AF3+2/AF3+2/Rajas/Blitz
Tactical Mantle/Goading/Camlecac/Ace's Leggings

Caladbolg, 7hit:
Cala/Pole Grip/x/Bomb Core
AF3+2/AF3/AF3/Brutal
AF3+2/AF3+2/Rajas/Blitz
Atheling Mantle/Goading/Camlecac/Ace's Leggings

GS WS, Kriegsmesser
Krieg/Rose/x/Bomb Core
Twlight/Ire Torque +1 or Gorget/AF3/Brutal
Grim(+1)/Heafoc/Rajas/Pyrosoul
Atheling/Beir Belt +1 or Elebelt/AF3+2/Hecatomb Leggings +1(Aug: STR+3~4) or AF3+2

GS WS, Caladbolg
Cala/Pole/x/Bomb Core
Twilight/Apathy Gorget/AF3 or Terra's Pearl/Brutal
Ares's Cuirass/Ares's Gauntlets or Versa Mufflers(Aug: VIT+5) or Adaman(HQ, Aug: VIT+5~)/Terrasoul/Spiral Ring
Atheling Mantle/Elebelt or Angunius(Depending on buffs) or Warwolf/Jingang Hose or AF3+2(Depending on buffs)/Jingang Greaves

Well, that's what I can come up with and what I am shooting for/using.

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Originally Posted by Rafien

Does anyone have a good gear setup for DRK's playing in Aby. I noticed how incredibly weak DRK's are there. I'm watching THF, NIN, and MNK put up 1000-2000 damage vs my 200.

Also, why can every DD tank mobs but if DRK gets hate once, we're dead. Does anyone know if the updates will fix DRK's becoming top tier damage dealers again?

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Well, if you're WSing for 200, it sounds like something is definitely wrong. You should probably post your gear sets, tell us which atmas you are using, as well as what kind of weapon and weapon skills you are using, as well as the combat skill you have in each of those weapons. That would make it easier for us to help you out. I mean, I hit for more than 200 damage with a greatsword on pld75, using spinning slash and/or ground strike.

Also, war drops like a fly when getting hate too, unless you carry PDT gear that you swap into. This could be done on drk as well.

It would be almost impossible for your ws to avg 200 providing your skill rating is capped. The reason why people say drk gets hate and dies too fast is because of the olden days where people used to pop all their job abilities before they ws (often drk/war), and because berserk and last resort reduce your def - and the latter is a high enmity gain job ability, they would take hate and die very quickly.

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Originally Posted by Dirtyfinger

It would be almost impossible for your ws to avg 200 providing your skill rating is capped. The reason why people say drk gets hate and dies too fast is because of the olden days where people used to pop all their job abilities before they ws (often drk/war), and because berserk and last resort reduce your def - and the latter is a high enmity gain job ability, they would take hate and die very quickly.

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Hahah This was the good days.. Beserk/Last Resort/SoulEater - Guilotine and watch the WHM attempt to keep you alive.

Even with a lowish Great Sword skill and minimal WS gear I land Spinning Slash for 1k+ damage on most mobs. You should re-evaluate your gear/atma...

I'm not even talking about Weapon skills, I'm more along the lines of talking normal hit for hit.

While having a WHM is fine and dandy. Trying to solo anything in Aby is near impossible.. I watched a NIN tank 4 crabs with ease yet just one looks at me and I'm dead.

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Originally Posted by Rafien

I'm not even talking about Weapon skills, I'm more along the lines of talking normal hit for hit.

While having a WHM is fine and dandy. Trying to solo anything in Aby is near impossible.. I watched a NIN tank 4 crabs with ease yet just one looks at me and I'm dead.

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Last Resort + Dread Spikes + Drain II, you should be able to solo anything in abyssea except maybe things with spikes (elementals)

Alright,

Currently I run around with /SAM, would MNK be a better choice? What does it provide over Seigan + Third Eye?

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Originally Posted by Rafien

Alright,

Currently I run around with /SAM, would MNK be a better choice? What does it provide over Seigan + Third Eye?

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Counter

/sam is the way to go 90% of the time.

Apoc/AaO/RR should make you quite potent with LR up. LR down, go use the WC.

Otherwise grab a couple Axes and go /nin and spam rampage. (its scary that may be the best way to play DRK)

First step turn on all you filters for other peoples damage. Then follow the advice other have been giving to you for Atmas and gear smartly. IE don't WS in your TP set and invest a at least a basic WS set. That will get you on the path to being better. Don't worry about out DDing other players, on NMs and exp it really doesn't matter. NMs won't last long after procs and exp just engaging and WS at 100% is more then most do in pugs.

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Originally Posted by Rafien

I'm not even talking about Weapon skills, I'm more along the lines of talking normal hit for hit.

While having a WHM is fine and dandy. Trying to solo anything in Aby is near impossible.. I watched a NIN tank 4 crabs with ease yet just one looks at me and I'm dead.

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If you are not blowing away thfs and dancers on normal melee hits something is horribly wrong. I really don't think this is the case. The issue with nin, thf, etc is their critical weaponskills. I don't think a drk with last resort up will have any job swing more hit vs hit. War of course has double attack up the wazoo and crit weapon skills, etc, but average melee hit should go to drk. Average hit will vary by zone, mob level etc, but seriously I see drks hit 1k a swing a alot, saw a 1.5 crit the other night. (Probably was a set proc) If this is truly the case check your skill levels, atma and gear as said repeatedly in thread.

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Originally Posted by Rafien

I'm not even talking about Weapon skills, I'm more along the lines of talking normal hit for hit.

While having a WHM is fine and dandy. Trying to solo anything in Aby is near impossible.. I watched a NIN tank 4 crabs with ease yet just one looks at me and I'm dead.

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If a war hit for 1000-2000 regular attacks, it was probably an AF3+2 set proc, and critical., probably with an ukon or some other retardedly powerful weapon.

Anyway, to compare your own survivability to that of a nin is probably a lost cause. Ninjas have a shitton more evasion than you, as well as 5 shadows from utsu ni with their AF3 gear. Don't forget that there are atmas that aid survivability too, the ninja in question might have used that instead of one of his/her damage atmas. There are -Damage Taken% atmas you could use if you want to solo something. There are also atmas that give you more evasion if you want to be an eva-drk :p.

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Originally Posted by Rafien

Does anyone have a good gear setup for DRK's playing in Aby. I noticed how incredibly weak DRK's are there. I'm watching THF, NIN, and MNK put up 1000-2000 damage vs my 200.

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Back to (Abyssea) basics.

What Atma are you using? If you don't have at the very least Razed Ruins and another good DD atma (several have been mentioned here), you're going to be overwhelmingly disappointed in your throughput compared to anyone who does. Job, gear level, and "skill" don't even matter at that point.

"Get Razed Ruins and other good Atma" probably sounds facile but you really can't understand what a huge difference they make until after you get them.

WAR can hit 1000 retaliations on crits pretty commonly with Ukon, but it's hard to get over 900 normal crits.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...lly-do-with-it.

Is a post i made about DRK and what we can do in abyssea.

I think the first tip and best tip is if ya focus on WS DMG or DMG in general it gonna end up losing not to say you can't pump out lots of DMG LR + haste + Crit setup is a insane thing

What i suggest is subbing MNK

DRK/MNK with a WHM is a really solid combo i mean to the point i'm a main tank for ls events or job that can split of the group and duo NMs for pop item/KIs to speed stuff up.

Either way as Atmas go you use Razed ruin/S.Scythe/Gnarled Horn
or swap Gnarled horn with VV depending on Difficulty of the mobs your tanking.

Anyway as far as i'm concerned DRKs that sub MNK in abyssea are an asset if geared correctly (DMG-% gear/HP gear) (we acully ask DRKs to sub MNK over /SAM now in my linkshell after seeing results lol /SAM is just a stagger job /MNK is a stagger job that is also one of the best tank in abyssea)

Using DRK/MNK you can kill/tank most NMs in abyssea with a few exceptions which is usually more to do with stuff that makes any tank struggle to tank it.

and in low main DRK/MNK + WHM is amazing for Red !! KI farming ^^ and great for yellow staggers on light/darks day (or just get a BLM in there)

If u get an emperyan /MNK all u do is get 300% TP for lvl 3 aftermath then pop LR + SE resort with haste on and u'll see 800-1000 crits (no ODD) 1300-1600 (ODD proc 50%) with counters in the 800 range ^^ (on harder stuff the numbers are 100-200 lower but you still wreck stuff this way ^^)

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Originally Posted by Rezeak

Either way as Atmas go you use Razed ruin/S.Scythe/Gnarled Horn
or swap Gnarled horn with VV depending on Difficulty of the mobs your tanking.

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please don't sacrifice Apoc for anything ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever.

Unless you're using K club souleater+blood weapon zerg style. Then just use HP atmas. Doubt you'll ever do it in aby though.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

please don't sacrifice Apoc for anything ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever.

Unless you're using K club souleater+blood weapon zerg style. Then just use HP atmas. Doubt you'll ever do it in aby though.

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How do you mean ??

I know RR + S.Scythe are the best dual combo for /MNK

RR (i don't need to explain)
SS Has HP as well as a huge DMG boost on crits there makes this tons better for counter tanking on DRK

Now Gnarled horn >>>>> Apoc if ya tanking it basically reduces DMG taken from melee by around 20% (50% hit not countered --> 40% hits not countered) (Bonus : +50 AGI will reduce a mobs Tp gain too)

As for VV ok yea Apoc has a chance of beating VV hands down IF you were constantly meleeing but being able to bust out a lvl 3 aftermath as the start of the fight either way i find the DMG difference low between the 2 i do notice the boost in attack/STR on VV either way there close and since Regain helps between fights and with staggering i'll always VV > Apoc.

Please remember i'm talking /MNK here not /SAM if your /SAM it's a different setup entirely.

Either way RR/SS/Gnarled horn (or Roaring laughter) are the way to go on the harder stuff if you swap any of this out u'll lose DMG or make it easier for your self to be killed.

in terms of tanking, hitting faster keeps hate, and if you're with other good players you're probably going to have a hard time keeping it.

in terms of playing DRK, why the hell are you tanking.

Apoc helps TP gain and WS damage, and should easily beat SS in overall damage for your atma setup assuming you already have RR/GH.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

in terms of tanking, hitting faster keeps hate, and if you're with other good players you're probably going to have a hard time keeping it.

in terms of playing DRK, why the hell are you tanking.

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In terms of any job whats the harm in playing a job to it's full potential derp.

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Tanking in a large group

Ok when ur in a large group on 1 NM DRK/MNK prolly isn't the way to go for that 1 NM....

But say your killing glaviod being DRK/MNK to farm pops is useful for the large group because it only needs a WHM to surrport it so it helps the group split up.

/SAM can't do this to the same extent /MNK is a far better tank for holding> staggering then killing NMs.

Either way the point here is because u need less surrport and your more useful to the party.

It comes down to this when i consider DRK for events.

DRK/SAM DMG and staggering only

DRK/MNK Slightly less DMG, Staggering and being one of the best tanks.

Since DMG is covered so much better by crit WS jobs I usally choose the DRK/MNK.

In smaller groups

Even if ya in a smaller group with a MNK or NIN that can Tank why would you want to be less of strain a WHMs mp i mean in a small group if every DD can tank it's much more easier than a DD that will just pull hate and die or drain you WHMs mp.

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Either way this is all main DRK stuff i mean if ya have MNK and DRK at the same level u'd use MNK to tank over DRK but if your like me and you have all the best gear for DRK + Emperyan being able to tank only adds to that.

The last thing i want to mention i have duoed(or low man WHM DRK/MNK + yellow staggers) almost all the Emperyan weapon NM with just a WHM as surrport in most cases.

Mobs with charm can be kited,
Sobek you need a second tank cause of death,
HQ Hydra sux i have done it but it's not 100%,
The HQ Khimmy u need a second stunner (3 stunners to be safe)

I can't think of any others i have issues with.

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With Apoc again yes it beats SScythe but SScythe on /MNK you use for the HP as well if you can live with the loss of Counter DMG and survivabilty then by all means RR Apoc GH ^^

Either way my Atma choices are more based on my Gear ect.

I didn't mention RR/SS/Winged Gloom

Which with the right gear caps out -50% Physical/Magic DMG meaning if you have 4k HP you'll have 8k effective HP which for some mobs is great

Honestly atma choice is more to do with situation than one atma set for all case.

I enjoy DRK, but I have no idea why a group would invite you to tank as it.

I can see why, if it's your only job, you would want to put it in that position. But in the end, no one's going to put it in that position for you. Only if you're the group leader could I see it ever happening.

But DRK as one of the best tanks? Even with Apocalypse(the weapon) that's a stretch. I can't imagine it beating PLD, MNK, NIN, DNC, THF, or SAM. I can see it beating the other DDs, but that's not really saying anything.

Let's be honest, this is Abyssea we're talking about. DRK/WAR can replace WAR for red procs, but only if you have the Halloween polearm. Otherwise, good luck breaking free from the WAR NIN WHM BLM/BRD BLU lowman strategies.

Though, I agree DRK is useful on Apademak. All that stun... yum.

I've never had SS's HP seriously make or break a fight and I have the lowest base HP of any race so...

Even with CS up Apoc will still beat SS for overall damage.

Winged Gloom is pointless, get better support etc. also lolwiki states the atma has issues if you get cruor enhancements.

DRK/MNK tank is almost like MNK/WAR tanking minus the blue procs. Both are susceptible to TP moves that bypass counter.

A small difference in Counter rate that isn't too noticeable and the mythical "Guard" are lost in exchange for Stun and Dread Spikes. Those spikes also add to damage that got past your counter. Doesn't seem that bad to me.

Does this mean DRK is tank only, or the best tank? No to both. It just has the capability to tank similar to MNK/WAR.

Of course people are going to shit on me for having a different point of view. That's life, but I rather get shit on for trying different job combinations than for not gear swapping ;P

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Originally Posted by Zatias

DRK/MNK tank is almost like MNK/WAR tanking minus the blue procs. Both are susceptible to TP moves that bypass counter.

A small difference in Counter rate that isn't too noticeable and the mythical "Guard" are lost in exchange for Stun and Dread Spikes. Those spikes also add to damage that got past your counter. Doesn't seem that bad to me.

Does this mean DRK is tank only, or the best tank? No to both. It just has the capability to tank similar to MNK/WAR.

Of course people are going to shit on me for having a different point of view. That's life, but I rather get shit on for trying different job combinations than for not gear swapping ;P

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Yeah, it's totally not that MNK has nearly 50% more natural HP. It's not that MNK hits faster to keep hate better either. It's also not that MNK doesn't have to sacrifice atma slots or a sub job to tank.

Nope, MNK/WAR and DRK/MNK are the same.

The OP is clearly an inexperienced player. As some others have said, 200dmg is a normal hit/crit reg swing for most classes in abby.

I never said they were the same. I said they tanked in a similar manner.

Also thank you for proving my point XP~

SCH/NIN tanks in a similar manner to NIN

still stupid

SCH/NIN can hold hate? WHAT!?

All elitism aside, I use DRK/MNK solo or duo. It doesn't hurt anyone, and it's fun. In a bigger group I wouldn't waste anyone's time arguing about tanking as this combo.

Though, apparently there's only one way to play DRK, I have no place in this thread ^^; At least I am not telling anyone to use nuking atmas and spam t3s.

Looks like we're in agreement then.