Give us CP!

Ok, so it's nice that it's now easier than ever to get allied notes and imperial standing (especially with the new post on beseiged). However, CP still remains the hardest alternate currency to obtain. Can we possibly get an increase to CP? I have a few suggestions how:

1: Uncap Expeditionary Force and remove the party size limit, and increase the CP reward if you win.

2: Uncap Garrison and increase the CP reward for success (I believe you currently get CP for winning...)

3: Allow FoV and GoV to give CP equivalent to their xp when you finish a page (So, if a page gives 2000 xp, it'd give 200 CP, or 3000 in a place owned by another nation or beastmen, or 3200 with Moghancement: Conquest (Or the variation for your nation))

Really, is there any reason to keep CP as restricted as it is?

I agree with 1 and 2. If they implemented 3, nobody would level outside of a dungeon again.. so no thanks to 3.

People aren't going to leave abyssea JUST to get some CP...

So you want new players to go from ronfaure/gustaberg/saruta to book burning to abyssea? I dont even know why I came back to this game lol... oh yeah because ffxiv is a mess..

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

So you want new players to go from ronfaure/gustaberg/saruta to book burning to abyssea? I dont even know why I came back to this game lol... oh yeah because ffxiv is a mess..

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I don't feel the game is about Exping. Its about endgame content. The Game should not be the grind. Exp is not what makes a game fun, its the big bosses, and endgame battles.

The way i see it, SE is simply making it easier for new players and old to experience endgame. Judging someone based on the way they get exp is just digging for an excuse to hate someone.

So much hatred.

hmmm....never had any issues getting CP in the past. Maybe it's because I'm from Bastok, who rarely ever owned the zones I was xp'ing in....who knows. I would expect it comes in fairly steady now if you are doing xp parties now that the rate is doubled since it is bound to the xp you earn--if you're soloing or low-manning and have a low xp/hr rate, I guess that is what holds people back now though.

Conquest Rankings might be something for you to look into for now. If your camp is owned by your nation, you get no bonus to CP per kill, so you are only getting 10% of your XP back as CP (20 CP from an EM). But if it's not owned by your nation, you get a 1.5x multiplier (30 CP from an EM). So, the trick is to be in a region not controlled by your nation, keeping Signet up, and slaughtering EM+ mobs for chain 5's to keep the CP flowing I guess with the way things currently stand...the catch is getting together the traditional xp party these days. /meh

There are also some Moghancement: Conquest furniture pieces that can raise it a 1.6 multiplier in an uncontrolled region if you have them (32 CP from an EM). Every little bit helps.

I won't lie, judging by the title of thread, I was expecting something else entirely...

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

I agree with 1 and 2. If they implemented 3, nobody would level outside of a dungeon again.. so no thanks to 3.

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Abyssea exists yet people are still using other means for exp. Your outlook is a bit doomy. I haven't seen a shortage of players in Cape post GoV release, for example. But I suppose it always was the most crowded of FoV spots...

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Originally Posted by Supersun

People aren't going to leave abyssea JUST to get some CP...

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No one is ever going to leave Abyssea exp until a rep for it exists, and it should be obvious by now it's not going to happen in any existing areas, only alternatives. If they raise exp much higher at this rate we might as well start off with new characters already level capped to save us the trouble. Anyways, I fail to see what this point has to do with the OP unless there was an edit at some point. Pretty sure it's about throwing us some more CP and not about getting people out of Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

hmmm....never had any issues getting CP in the past. Maybe it's because I'm from Bastok, who rarely ever owned the zones I was xp'ing in....who knows. I would expect it comes in fairly steady now if you are doing xp parties now that the rate is doubled since it is bound to the xp you earn--if you're soloing or low-manning and have a low xp/hr rate, I guess that is what holds people back now though.

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Compare CP to IS and AN. You can get thousands of IS and AN easily by doing beseiged and campaign, respectively, and can do the secondary elements to campaign (Rescuing prisoners, shattering mirrors, reclaiming the candescence...) for thousands more now. There's also campaign ops for some quick and dirty allied notes. But nothing of the sort really exists for CP: Both Expeditionary Force and Garrison are level capped, and with few reasons to do them. And those are the only sources of CP outside of experience. Really, CP is more "Expensive" than the other two by a longshot.

Iunno, I only have like 1 job at 60, 2 jobs at 30, and one at 50. I've gotten maybe 20 levels of my lv60 in book burns.. and i have 70k cp...

70k is not a lot. If you'd been getting that xp in campaign, you'd be closer to 700k

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Originally Posted by Myrrh

I won't lie, judging by the title of thread, I was expecting someone else entirely...

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Cheese Pizza?

What would you buy with 700k CP?

Same kind of crap you buy with IS and AN. There's all sorts of lower level gear, there's aketons, signet staves, XP ring recharges, scrolls of instant warp and instant retrace... not to mention if you're a title nut, buying an item from each rank for each nation gives a title. That's 231k for each nation, 693k total. So I can think of something to buy with about 700k CP :P

You can only get AN from event driven content though. IS is pretty slow from xp, with few exceptions to enhance it, otherwise it is primarily earned from event driven content as well. Also, both IS/AN are really only reasonably obtainable once you reach a certain point in the game (level, reputation, etc)--barring you sneaking in and running campaign ops in the past I guess, but that will be restricted to your 7 credits per conquest tally.

Not saying I'm against them making CP obtainable via event driven content as well. Just stating that it normally would be easily obtainable. CP is earned from day one, at level 1--and has a fairly simple mechanic for increasing that reward by 50% as well. The problem is, people aren't earning XP like they used to, and are thus not earnign CP like they used to either. "Old-school" leveling would easily grant you anywhere from 25k-35k CP before you got to TAU areas (if not more) on just one job--simply from joining normal XP parties along the way. People simply aren't taking this route these days with all the other options--FOV/GOV/Abyssea, etc. Instead, they are getting massive chunks of XP and essentially skipping levels, and missing out on the CP they would otherwise have gotten simply from killing mobs for xp and not as a bonus reward for completing pages and such.

Until they do something about it, players need to be mindful of just how to optimize their CP gain--that means keeping Signet up and fighting in Conquest areas not under your nation's control, geting as much raw xp/kill as they can along the way (the amount before xp band is applied).

I thought the increased exp from bands also lead to higher cp gain?

Fun fact though, a normal oldschool party with decent gear and competent players could get 30k+ now in conquest areas. I've trioed for like 20k with cor + war + drg before grounds tomes were implemented, and not using books or exp rings. Of course, it requires that there are suitable mobs to go after for your level range. This isn't always the case, but at least in the level ranges of 1-50, I know this to be possible, so find a sync target and get all the CP you need!

Actually, a small note: The bonus xp from an xp band DOES increase the CP returned. As a result, recharging an xp band with CP gets a return investment normally (As it's 100 CP for every 1000 bonus xp from the band), or up to 60% profit with the right moghancements. But still, it is slow because the event driven content give so much more of their rewards for the time invested.

Well, there is event driven content that yields CP rewards. They're just not based around the 75 cap, and are thus fairly obsolete.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I don't feel the game is about Exping. Its about endgame content. The Game should not be the grind. Exp is not what makes a game fun, its the big bosses, and endgame battles.

The way i see it, SE is simply making it easier for new players and old to experience endgame. Judging someone based on the way they get exp is just digging for an excuse to hate someone.

So much hatred.

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What about the grind of drop rates?
Or the grind of leveling up stats?
Or the grind of doing over 1,200 weapon skills for a weapon?

Either way this game is intended to be a grind.

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

What about the grind of drop rates?
Or the grind of leveling up stats?
Or the grind of doing over 1,200 weapon skills for a weapon?

Either way this game is intended to be a grind.

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The game was about grinding, SE is attempting to take the grind out of a lot of the game, including Exping, and end-game loot.

They're obviously going to release a bit more difficult content in the future, because we've been asking for it. but their goal is to make the game much more accessible. The past is the past, the game has evolved, and its not longer intended to be a giant grindfest from start to finish.

I think there needs to be Casual content, and harder content, We seem to be in the works of getting both, But i think the grind aspect of the game is what made a lot of people turned off by it, and their working to make it easier for everyone in the end.

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Grinding Drop rates

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I think every MMO or game in general has some grind about it in some way, But beyond that, SE is introducing the proc system to make this a lot less of a problem. I expect harder content in the future (because we're asking for it).

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Grinding to level up stats

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Not sure what you mean, If its merits. Abyssea and things like Universal 2x Exp and GoV are their working intention to relieve the grind of Merits and leveling up.

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Grinding Weapon skill ups

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Square Enix introduced Skill up food, Skill up Rings, Martial master, Increasing skill-ups across the board, all in an effort to relieve that grind.

Everything has been moving away from grinds and making the game a lot more accessible and casual friendly.

I think at one point the game was all bout grinds, long tedious ones, but they moved away from that with Abyssea in every way, exp and loot... we may be seeing a bit of grind coming back for drops like with Neo-Dynamis and Voidwatch, But i dont view that as a bad thing :)

you people make me sick. I should call the police

Some of the Japanese folks within the FFXI Fan Art community might be able to help you with this request...

Oh, you mean Conquest Points?! Oh, um...so did I...yeah. So did I!

Expeditionary Force and Garrsion might be fun to solo with no level cap. I've only tried them once or twice, due to level caps being about as much fun as sharing milk and cookies with Chris Hansen.

actually I would be more for not completely uncapping them, but increasing the caps by like 10-15 levels, while keeping the enemies the same. Then it would be good duo content, or solo if you were good.

actually Karb. rpg are about leveling ^.^;; in some form. In every rpg you level up in various ways like elder scrolls or zelda (you earn harts plus 1 side scrolling zelda had exp system... it was weird......) plus in every ff game you level either by grinding mobs by running back and forth in the dungeons. enter and exiting the feilds or just run straight through the game. or in ff12 you can just go to the mines before garuda and run up and down the track ways where the hordes of mini skeletons. But mmorpg are still rpgs and character progression is still the main part. endgame is just part of leveling. (you're increasing power by getting gear) Just in a different form ^.^;;


Since character progression is big in RPG and MMORPG, why do those who HATE leveling play them? since you level up/learn the game before end game. (unless your playing dcuo or soon "the secret world") Sorry went off topic. (what Karb said interested me)
I would like to see more cp insentive and bring back traditional parties.

I got s another question with kitty faces

what if you dislike end game :3 but enjoy leveling up :3
And doing story missions :3

to be serious though content in mmo as long as new people join should never go obsolete. Said new people can use those gears still. I miss old ffxi where it took time to level since I would sorta never run outa stuff to do, I dislike playing games that I beat in a few days. (which is most games now) Making leveling easier for newbies isn't always good due to lack of learning it is sad to see a person go after maat while knowing next to nothing about the game (gamer pride talking) Sorry for off topic.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

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Originally Posted by Rosina

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Originally Posted by Rosina

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What on earth is "rogpand" and why is it an adjective appropriate to describe a MMORPG?

I'm sorry to derail the topic, but I am compelled to know the truth behind "rogpand".

think that may have been a few typos in there.... maybe it was meant to be "rpg and mmorpg"?

My best guess was that it was an abbreviation for "Rogue Panda" but that explanation makes way more sense.

My curiosity is sated. Carry on.

The light in my room blew ^^;;; but did you really need to make a spectical out of it ^^;;

I didn't even notice the error though. I'll try to fix it.

btw that is the ADD tick I tried explaining to you guys.

that isn't be being illiterate or dyselix I'm trying to type to different things but they kinda merge sometimes and I do not notice it due to me looking at my keyboard mostly and only looking up every so often ^^;; I miss stuff sometimes.

But why even make a post like that about it? It does kinda hurt my feeling <(; . ;)>

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Originally Posted by DebbieGibson

you people make me sick. I should call the police

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isn't it funny that this post got liked <(^.^)>

anyway back on topic.

I wish they made it a bit easier to claim zones. Or had more pvp location to claim zones. Or even make pvpve matches. (like Aion just not crappy)

where we fight other players and various beastmen for zones. I really wish I could get the rest of the outpost warps for easier travel around the game. I currently have 13K+ cp and rank 5 (b/f zerged me through the missions for airship pass) I mostly solo/ do book pages or duo with him. I think they should add more ways to get cp, and have more diverse gear from cp. (for those who enjoy using it)

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Originally Posted by Rosina

The light in my room blew ^^;;; but did you really need to make a spectical out of it ^^;;

I didn't even notice the error though. I'll try to fix it.

btw that is the ADD tick I tried explaining to you guys.

that isn't be being illiterate or dyselix I'm trying to type to different things but they kinda merge sometimes and I do not notice it due to me looking at my keyboard mostly and only looking up every so often ^^;; I miss stuff sometimes.

But why even make a post like that about it? It does kinda hurt my feeling <(; . ;)>

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I've been diagnosed with ADD too. I just proofread my posts before hitting send, like you ought to.

CP is useless, why would you want it anyway?

Totally didn't think of "Conquest Points" when I read the thread title.

CP are also earned each time you do a supply run.

How about using CP to pay for entry into something SE could call CPNM. A Battlefield exclusive to your Nation involving the major and minor NPC's you have encountered during your rise to Glory and a few new nasties, available when Rank 10 is achieved. Cost? Could start at 50k - 75k CP or higher and go up from there.

There is so much gear and weaponry available from every segment of content in game, maybe the reward could be something totally cosmetic, like a 2 room MH, as has been suggested in the past, complete with a garden. All the components needed to furnish with unique items (an actual storage chest that you can open and store items in?) or even plant a garden could be earned from these CPNM's. Some items would perhaps require some level of crafting ability and would be AH-able/tradeable. Others might be rare/ex.

Something fun for a change. Abyssea is just grind in fast forward mode, so I think it would be nice to take a side road every now and then.

Any other ideas on a use for CP?

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

I've been diagnosed with ADD too. I just proofread my posts before hitting send, like you ought to.

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Yeah, there are a few annoying issues with having it, but I never found spelling to be one of them.

If it was really an issue of ADD with her though, wouldn't she be typing and just randomly get distra

Lol I like how the only thing you guys took from Rosina's post was the spelling mistake. Why does everyone have a hate on for you Rosi?

But ya, taking 10 jobs to 30 just on FoV would probably net you enough CP to buy an eketon (if not more). I don't see the need to increase it.

Why is everyone in such a rush all the time? Be it to level or do something else is beyond me. It's like most people think this game is going to get up and run away any day now. I for one love the leveling in this game, and what I love even more is that in vanilla and RoZ areas the exp has doubled. I manage to squeeze in a jungle party every now and then, but most people refuse to party out of valkrum, qufim, garlaige and abyssea. Soo boring to rince and repeating for every job, what's the point really.

there is more to ADD then getting distracted. And yes spelling can be an issue, just ADD doesn't effect everyone the same. It can effect spelling by what I did, which was a word merge ( I typed mmorpg and rpg at the same time. since i was thinking of typing it and it got jumbled.) Also was a case of faulted hand eye coordination. Which I press the wrong key w/o realizing it.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

a word merge

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Amazing....

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Why is everyone in such a rush all the time? Be it to level or do something else is beyond me. It's like most people think this game is going to get up and run away any day now.

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I like to think its because i only have one life, and Am going to die some-day. Why waste time going slow when i can move fast and get the same satisfaction? I can read fast, type fast, and play fast, and get the same satisfaction as someone who takes it slow! (I can absorb things quickly),

I feel FF is an acceptable distraction in my life, It brings me a lot of enjoyment and I've met a multitude of great people, So you can't blame someone for taking advantage of a quick route, when every second of your life matters. At least, to me it does.

You can still take it slow however :) Just hoping you can understand why people might want to make things a bit quicker.