With all the changes, do you think SE is trying to end us/this

I myself think that SE is trying to End the game. All the changes to make it an easy play and fast leveling. The lack of any real questing add ons. I think most of us long time players and the longtime players who stopped after the long wait for something new from 75 cap would agree. If SE wanted to keep this going they would, we would have long, hard time taking content. We wouldnt have had the last massive server merge because people stopped playing from lack of new content. Think about it. How do you shut it down and still keep a loyal player base. Well i can think its the way there doing it now. Lack of content only made enough people leave to condence servers. Us die hards still keep going. Years later we get new content that makes the game So easy to get everything maxed and all older content complete. When we finally finish a game that i didnt think was possible we leave. It also makes for any newer palyers to lose interest in a LOT shorter time. Seeing people with every job at level 90 and them only starting 6 month or less ago is silly in any MMO.

Im wondering your thoughts?

Way to go SE.

This is not a thread about payment systems, please keep it out.

I'm guessing they made lvling so easy because of all the noobs complaining that it took too long to level. These noobs were the ones that lvled to 20 then quit. SE wants them to stay for more profit.

Then again, with all the Click&Buy complaints, maybe they really are trying to kill the longevity of the game.

I'm pretty sure if they wanted the game to end they'd just turn the servers off.

The new payment system is easy. To me it's like having our noob filters back (back in the day when stuff like the dunes, SJ quest etc would 'filter' out some of the bad players). If you can't figure out how to use a credit or debit card to buy crysta, you probably can't figure out all the easy to understand things in game either.

If I said yes would you go away?

Its more likely that their mom's wont give them the credit card again/on a monthly basis to buy crysta. Personally i grow very tired of these 'pity me' threads.

Yes SE hates you. and just you. The rest of us are okay.

Wow I guess i came to the wrong place for an adult conversation. And my mother passed in this life, so ty very much for your kind thought.

Nothing was said out of pity, jest, rant or rave. Its a thought, nothing more from.

Look at it this way, se can say "we are closing all servers and ending the game in a year". That would cause a major drop off in playership, servers would have to be quickly merged, alot of ppl would be out of work overnight and players would grumble because they were unable to complete everything they wanted to in the game.

If you make it incredibly easy (as they have), ppl can get everything done they wanted to and move on, causing playership to gradually drop, server merging would be slower, some ppl would stay out of hope for new content. Some players would be more willing move on to XIV (which is getting better and better) and whatever their new mmo is going to be because they are satisfied with thier xi experience and want to play other se games due to that experience. They can remove workers off xi to other projects gradually so there would be less lay offs and they could still milk xi for awhile. Then when they finally make the one year announcement they only have a couple servers and a handful of ppl working on xi anyway and its no big deal if it tanks. Its a great business strategy really.

But long story short (too late), yes I believe its the end times for ffxi. Makes me sad, I miss the game and would like to play more, I just have nothing to do and my ls has fell apart due to ppl leaving the game already.

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Originally Posted by chubrocka

Wow I guess i came to the wrong place for an adult conversation.

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Adults know that money making companies try to make money. Not try and use childish annoyances to make their players want to quit. Everything you've mentioned had more to do with trying to draw new / retired players in and make more money per month off the ones they have. If you wish to be treated as an adult, start thinking like one.

My thoughts? I'm sick of these threads.

They're not "trying to end this." They're making money. There's no reason to do anything like that until they have something else that is making more money, and right now they probably don't have much if anything else in video games that's making much money. It's the manga/media business that's really bringing it in.

lol just refer to my above post, they are making money and bringing the game to a close, its a common business practice that still allows them to make money and ensure playership in future games. ffxi was not going to run forever, its been nearly a decade and they are bringing to an end any way a good business person would. They would never just turn off the servers lol.

They aren't "bringing the game to a close.' It's not going to be "over" any time real soon. It's not a tactic or a strategy. People are only saying stuff like this because they think SE is trying to be difficult on purpose, and they're not. They might have some semi-clueless people on the business end, but I guarantee you the payment frustrations are not a product of SE going "Hm, we're sick of keeping this game. What can we do to make people leave?"

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Originally Posted by Michae

Look at it this way, se can say "we are closing all servers and ending the game in a year". That would cause a major drop off in playership, servers would have to be quickly merged, alot of ppl would be out of work overnight and players would grumble because they were unable to complete everything they wanted to in the game.

If you make it incredibly easy (as they have), ppl can get everything done they wanted to and move on, causing playership to gradually drop, server merging would be slower, some ppl would stay out of hope for new content. Some players would be more willing move on to XIV (which is getting better and better) and whatever their new mmo is going to be because they are satisfied with thier xi experience and want to play other se games due to that experience. They can remove workers off xi to other projects gradually so there would be less lay offs and they could still milk xi for awhile. Then when they finally make the one year announcement they only have a couple servers and a handful of ppl working on xi anyway and its no big deal if it tanks. Its a great business strategy really.

But long story short (too late), yes I believe its the end times for ffxi. Makes me sad, I miss the game and would like to play more, I just have nothing to do and my ls has fell apart due to ppl leaving the game already.

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Thank you for your thought. I agree with you. Thank you too for not being childish in the response.

Honestly, use common sense. XI is about 10 years old and they said they'd run it as long as people are willing to play it, BUT at one point every business comes to terms that "it costs too much to operate versus what we're making in profit" and will slowly phase a product out, MMORPGs are the main service that slowly phases out.

They can't just go:
"Yawn I think we'll end XI today, switch it all off."

That's bad business practice but they do have the right to do so if they felt like it and no one can complain as you agreed to it when you signed up (actually read the terms and eula, they're there for a reason.) I honestly wouldn't mind seeing XI ended as I've played since the start but as long as it is making them money it's highly unlikely they'll end it BUT a lot of recent decision can indeed hurt the playerbase, especially come next month.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

I'm pretty sure if they wanted the game to end they'd just turn the servers off.

The new payment system is easy. To me it's like having our noob filters back (back in the day when stuff like the dunes, SJ quest etc would 'filter' out some of the bad players). If you can't figure out how to use a credit or debit card to buy crysta, you probably can't figure out all the easy to understand things in game either.

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This is completely asinine. Did you bother to turn your brain on when posting this?

The billing change has mucked things up for individuals who have lived in countries that crysta isn't sold in. Nothing like playing and paying for years only for SE to change the rules simply to streamline their own systems for the revival tour of FFXIV.

Who needs money from regions of the world that haven't accepted virtual currency anyway.

Now if you can't buy crysta off the bat, you're forced into an unholy alliance with Click and Buy. Bad enough you could be hit with conversion fees but many banks see this company has shady enough to be put on a blacklist whenever charges are made to them.

Good to know FFXI is on the same level as online gambling though.

Worse, the JP base has no such changes and luxuries that the rest of the world doesn't get. You do however get to overpay SE, deal with a 2nd rate company or quit the game though.

But who am I kidding, this is all a strategem to weed out the noobs who can't pay their bills because SE has made this process so easy that only a complete idiot would be unable to give this company their money every month.

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This is completely asinine. Did you bother to turn your brain on when posting this?

The billing change has mucked things up for individuals who have lived in countries that crysta isn't sold in. Nothing like playing and paying for years only for SE to change the rules simply to streamline their own systems for the revival tour of FFXIV.

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How is it asinine? Yes, we know SE mucked up this billing thing, but you really, really think they did it on purpose and are trying to get people to leave? Because that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Yes, they messed up, but they most certainly didn't do it intentionally.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

How is it asinine? Yes, we know SE mucked up this billing thing, but you really, really think they did it on purpose and are trying to get people to leave? Because that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Yes, they messed up, but they most certainly didn't do it intentionally.

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I do not believe that this billing fiasco was done on purpose but the poster I quoted made the bold statement that billing is "easy" and that it's a simple process of knowing how to use a credit or debit card.

What an unbelievably dumb statement to make.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

This is completely asinine. Did you bother to turn your brain on when posting this?

The billing change has mucked things up for individuals who have lived in countries that crysta isn't sold in. Nothing like playing and paying for years only for SE to change the rules simply to streamline their own systems for the revival tour of FFXIV.

Who needs money from regions of the world that haven't accepted virtual currency anyway.

Now if you can't buy crysta off the bat, you're forced into an unholy alliance with Click and Buy. Bad enough you could be hit with conversion fees but many banks see this company has shady enough to be put on a blacklist whenever charges are made to them.

Good to know FFXI is on the same level as online gambling though.

Worse, the JP base has no such changes and luxuries that the rest of the world doesn't get. You do however get to overpay SE, deal with a 2nd rate company or quit the game though.

But who am I kidding, this is all a strategem to weed out the noobs who can't pay their bills because SE has made this process so easy that only a complete idiot would be unable to give this company their money every month.

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This thread sint about payments please, ther are about 50 that are.

While they aren't trying to kill the game because that would be stupid to not want tens of millions of dollars handed to you on a silver platter every year for basically free, they also aren't actively trying to prolong it's lifespan. They could do far better, but they won't. It's no secret that SE does not desire to restrict their entire MMO staff(or call them what you will) to one MMO "forever" it's not the nature of the Japanese game developers to want to work on one game for so long. The Japanese are not content with being content like other developers. They are a creative bunch. They innovate constantly across the board on all things technology. But they are human still, and need to make money like the next person. Hence why there's 14 Final Fantasy titles out there to date with a 15th otw for certain, and that's just the main franchise and not counting -2 sequels.

SE openly admits to this style, more or less. Now, some of them don't have a choice on the matter, but the big names certainly do and have made the decision to move on to FFXIV and perhaps this apparent new MMO now. It's a shame and all but like I've said before, I can't blame them. Mostly because FFXI is terribly limited because of the PS2 and it's got to be just as frustrating to them as it is to us that something can't be done or realistically done without taking forever. The PS2 is just a plain shitty console, and PS3 is turning out to be no better for FFXIV.

tl;dr - Trying to kill FFXI? Certainly not. But they are going to milk it for as long as it can last. I hope I am pleasantly proven wrong someday with a surprise re-release version with reworked graphics and all that jazz to prolong its lifespan, but I ain't holding my breathe for it.

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Originally Posted by chubrocka

This thread sint about payments please, ther are about 50 that are.

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Just for you, I'll comment on the OP. The fact is that SE is winding down XI.

All of the concessions made in Abyssea were to keep the dwindling base happy as XIV eventually ascended to it's freshly minted spot as flagship SE online title.

What better way to keep us all happy than to turn a harsh and barren desert into an lively oasis of treasure? This game before Abyssea sported the wonderful world of VNMs and the most poorly designed HNM ever brought forth on Vana'diel - Yilbegan.

Things were terrible in FFXI. So bad in fact, SE qualified an NM that drops Darksteel Ingots and Ebony Logs as the centerpiece of a version update.

The plan seemed to be exciting players old and new in XI via Abyssea to then move onto XIV as faith was restored in the company. You could easily "finish up" XI and be content enough to move on to greener pastures.... except the greener pasture turned out to be a no-mans land.

When XIV fell through, the plan backfired. You had individuals once again clinging to XI because the new game failed except SE doesn't seem to have any intention of giving XI any new expansions due to PS2 limitations and the fact that money is best spent on a new game rather than a nearly decade-old one.

So now we sit in limbo. We know what SE has planned for a good while out and no expansions are in the works. This is either a surprise designed to excite individuals are a subtle way of saying that XI is done in terms of world expansion and new places to explore.

With how long it took to hammer out WOTG and how devoid of content the 3 side packs were, it's not exactly shocking to have little faith that no further expansions are being designed.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

I do not believe that this billing fiasco was done on purpose but the poster I quoted made the bold statement that billing is "easy" and that it's a simple process of knowing how to use a credit or debit card.

What an unbelievably dumb statement to make.

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There's nothing dumb about it. Billing is not as "easy" as you think it is. Especially in this case, there's contracts to hammer out, customer service to manage (or fail to manage). "Knowing how to use a credit or debit card" is up to a consumer. The business has a lot of backend stuff to deal with that the customer never even sees. Think a little harder about how things work before you go around calling people 'dumb.'

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The fact is that SE is winding down XI.

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That's not a fact a all, and in fact they're not winding it down but turning things up.. They're doing a lot to work within the constraints they have and I'm impressed with that. However, sooner or later, they're going to have to address some key problems such as the consoles with the restricted disk space in order to make new content more original.

They can't afford to "wind it down" until, at a bare minimum, XIV is taking in money. And it's still completely uncertain when or if that will happen.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

Just for you, I'll comment on the OP. The fact is that SE is winding down XI.

All of the concessions made in Abyssea were to keep the dwindling base happy as XIV eventually ascended to it's freshly minted spot as flagship SE online title.

What better way to keep us all happy than to turn a harsh and barren desert into an lively oasis of treasure? This game before Abyssea sported the wonderful world of VNMs and the most poorly designed HNM ever brought forth on Vana'diel - Yilbegan.

Things were terrible in FFXI. So bad in fact, SE qualified an NM that drops Darksteel Ingots and Ebony Logs as the centerpiece of a version update.

The plan seemed to be exciting players old and new in XI via Abyssea to then move onto XIV as faith was restored in the company. You could easily "finish up" XI and be content enough to move on to greener pastures.... except the greener pasture turned out to be a no-mans land.

When XIV fell through, the plan backfired. You had individuals once again clinging to XI because the new game failed except SE doesn't seem to have any intention of giving XI any new expansions due to PS2 limitations and the fact that money is best spent on a new game rather than a nearly decade-old one.

So now we sit in limbo. We know what SE has planned for a good while out and no expansions are in the works. This is either a surprise designed to excite individuals are a subtle way of saying that XI is done in terms of world expansion and new places to explore.

With how long it took to hammer out WOTG and how devoid of content the 3 side packs were, it's not exactly shocking to have little faith that no further expansions are being designed.

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I agree with you. Im just not likeing the fact that im gonna have to start playing on a PC. for FFXIV. Ive enjoyed the 360 now so much, Playing on my big ass screen and its nice graphics. I guess if i had the option to play 14 on a console................ Im gonna have to conform lol.

Anyone know if and when there will be a console release?

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Anyone know if and when there will be a console release?

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It's already on consoles, but hopefully not for much longer. SE keeps on proving to the world that MMOs are not meant for consoles.

But why does that have to be a bad thing? If you really want "the console experience" you can hook a PC up to a TV, use a game pad, and the experience is no different. Why do people have to act as if the only way to play PC games is sitting at a desk with the screen right in front of you?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

That's not a fact a all, and in fact they're not winding it down but turning things up.. They're doing a lot to work within the constraints they have and I'm impressed with that. However, sooner or later, they're going to have to address some key problems such as the consoles with the restricted disk space in order to make new content more original.

They can't afford to "wind it down" until, at a bare minimum, XIV is taking in money. And it's still completely uncertain when or if that will happen.

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And if you read the rest of his post you'll see that he answers that. I completly agree with what Sparthos has said, the final Abyssea expansion was released not that long after FFXIV, and people completed their things in Abyssea a few months after, by that time people would have moved to FFXIV, and a lot did. But like he said, it backfired. FFXIV didn't do near as well as they planned and now they're trying to salvage it. They made the forums to find out exactly what the player base wants and asking so much which direction they would like the developers to go in.

I think that the plan was to slowly entice people to move to FFXIV, when they didn't happen they're trying to make people stick to FFXI while they fix FFXIV to be more acceptable. I bet when they start charging for the game they'll do something to truly end FFXI and have people migrate over.

No idea on console release date yet, but I personally like the pc for play, I use it for xi and xiv. As it stands right now they are making sweeping changes to xiv and the ppl behind those changes are doing a fantastic job. Most of the players who have stuck with xiv with hopes of improvement tip their hats to these ppl.

As for a big screen, I just run a wire from my pc to my tv, I get all the niceness of a pc on a tv screen, and even when im on my monitor I have a 30" widescreen anyway and when ur that close its more than enough.

The naysayers who still want too poopoo xiv need to give it another try. XI was horrid when it was first released too and it got better as time went on. Granted not as bad as xiv but it was still pretty much a steaming pile. Just dont be prepared for the ease xi has us used too. The exp isnt as easy come, there are no exp bonus rings or pages or anything of the sort beyond leves and those rewards are being drastically adjusted to prevent power lvling.

What I told my bored ls was that they may as well spend $25 get xiv now to get in on the bottom floor and play while its free (both in currency and in trolls) since xi is winding down anyway. Well after I did that most of them switched and are now full time xiv players so my ls in xi is dead lol. On the brightside tho is we all still play together in xiv.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It's already on consoles, but hopefully not for much longer. SE keeps on proving to the world that MMOs are not meant for consoles.

But why does that have to be a bad thing? If you really want "the console experience" you can hook a PC up to a TV, use a game pad, and the experience is no different. Why do people have to act as if the only way to play PC games is sitting at a desk with the screen right in front of you?

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lol xiv is not on console yet

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It's already on consoles, but hopefully not for much longer. SE keeps on proving to the world that MMOs are not meant for consoles.

But why does that have to be a bad thing? If you really want "the console experience" you can hook a PC up to a TV, use a game pad, and the experience is no different. Why do people have to act as if the only way to play PC games is sitting at a desk with the screen right in front of you?

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Wish it was more constructive though.
All this poster does is seem cause conflict and such lol

So you say its on console? what one? Ps3 release wasnt done as far as I know,

To answer you. I Dont want to play on PC, its my choice to use a console. WTF do you care.

I think the problem with "XI was as bad as XIV at launch" comparison is that comparing a new generation MMO to a dinosaur like XI assumes that the launch conditions were the same in both instances.

It isnt.

XI launched during an era where mistakes could be made and content designed to be infuriating because the target market of MMOs were individuals who could take huge grinds, had large amounts of time to play and were willing to put up with nonsense from the developers. It also helped that the competition wasn't nearly as crowded as it is now.

Look at XI through CoP and you'll see a track record of the developers writing the players off, dismissing their input as garbage while the companies vision of the game continued to expand. You got the crown jewel of FFXI during this era (CoPs storyline) but you also saw an exodus of players as SE stonewalled on user-friendliness.

Some never came back. Even when TOAU turned things into a more "friendly" XI, the game never got back the initial crowds that joined at the height of the game.

Flash forward to XIV and you see some of the same issues repeated. SE put the game through tests, players voiced concerns that the product wasn't up to par yet someone at SE decided to ignore those issues and launch the game anyway.... and here we are.

If XIV manages to overcome its terrible launch, it'd be one of the only MMOs to ever do so. While it is true that SE has enough money to potentially make history, wooing players back to the game in addition to solidifying a stable base will be the true test for the game.

I think the greatest fear is that SE manages to pull XIV out of a nosedive only to be permanently stunted by the original failure.

Never said xi was as bad as xiv. Reread that, I said it was bad as well, not as bad but still bad. As in lack of content, bugs and such.

If ppl dont wanna give xiv a second chance, fine with me, dont really want/need that kind of player anyway in an mmo, hence why i dont play WoW and barely play xi anymore.

SE just jumped the gun in release and are working on repairs. BUT they are doing a fantastic job on those repairs and their work should not go unnoticed. By the time we have console release it should be a good well rounded game that ppl will enjoy. Those of us who have been with it since beta are finally relaxing that it wont be axed soon.

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Originally Posted by chubrocka

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All this poster does is cause conflict and such lol.

So you say its on console? what one? Ps3 release wasnt done as far as I know,

To answer you. I Dont want to play on PC, its my choice to use a console. WTF do you care.

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Yeah hes a forums troll/negative nancy, best to just ignore.

XIV is going to be for ps3, as xbox wants to get away from mmo gaming as massive as xiv they refused to support it. (although this story is up for debate, thats just the common idea of why its not on 360)

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Originally Posted by Michae

Yeah hes a forums troll/negative nancy, best to just ignore.

XIV is going to be for ps3, as xbox wants to get away from mmo gaming as massive as xiv they refused to support it. (although this story is up for debate, thats just the common idea of why its not on 360)

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I looked forward to the supposed release date on ps3 and when it didnt happen.................... I sure would like to be assured that it will. Do you by chance have any site to read on that progress?

Abyssea came shortly before FFXIV was launched, with that they basically added pure oxygen to a burning candle. The idea was to burn through the content and complete the game and have it's userbase emigrate over within a set time frame. It is totally impossible to shut down an MMO even if you want to, you risk angering the playerbase and putting out bad vibes to potential ones on future games. The current system is perfect, milk money out of it giving players everything they want while slowly boring everyone and letting them all complete all their goals easily. Boredom does their work for them, they are even building up XIV slowly to make sure they don't emigrate over too quickly...it's a gradual process.

The sad fact is, when they made FFXIV the playerbase the game was going to get (or at least the majority of it) is FFXI players, they just cannot live side by side. Most MMO players do not want to play more than 1 MMO, no matter how casual they make them, both games are direct competition for each other. As long as XI is a fair success, FFXIV cannot be..one game will canabalise the players from the other.

FFXI is not future proof and has little ability to replace old users quitting due to rl stuff, that's why they would kill off a product that still makes money. It's not about losing customers, it's about making them move to your other title which you hope has a better ability to attract paying customers in the future.

FFXI has 2 years left in it, tops. Even the last listed update is slated as "the last stand" lol

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Originally Posted by Michae

Never said xi was as bad as xiv. Reread that, I said it was bad as well, not as bad but still bad. As in lack of content, bugs and such.

If ppl dont wanna give xiv a second chance, fine with me, dont really want/need that kind of player anyway in an mmo, hence why i dont play WoW and barely play xi anymore.

SE just jumped the gun in release and are working on repairs. BUT they are doing a fantastic job on those repairs and their work should not go unnoticed. By the time we have console release it should be a good well rounded game that ppl will enjoy. Those of us who have been with it since beta are finally relaxing that it wont be axed soon.

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You say you don't need (or dont care) for individuals to give XIV a second chance but indeed you do... unless you desire seeing the game reach a point where SE decides to no longer throw money at the game because they aren't making a profit? The doomsday scenario as it were.

We're at the point in XIV where SE has decided that the money spent fixing the game will result in eventual returns when people start paying and new blood decides to give the game a chance. The console launch will be crucial because it'll be SEs moment to launch the game correctly and use the buzz to encourage individuals to pick up PC copies.

Hopefully, they can encourage gaming media to re-review the game and further encourage sales but my point was more that SE put all their eggs in one basket, gutting XI all to make XIV work and it's going to take more than repairs to make it competitive with all the MMOs being churned out left, right and center.

XIV does not have the luxuries that XI had at launch. It competes with an aging WoW, Diablo III, GW2, TERA, Aion among other smaller MMOs and normal console games that offer online play in one form or another.

It's pretty clear XI is being slowly put out to pasture and unless a new expansion materializes itself, the content known as "The Last Stand" may very well be verbatim for the future of the game.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Abyssea came shortly before FFXIV was launched, with that they basically added pure oxygen to a burning candle. The idea was to burn through the content and complete the game and have it's userbase emigrate over within a set time frame. It is totally impossible to shut down an MMO even if you want to, you risk angering the playerbase and putting out bad vibes to potential ones on future games. The current system is perfect, milk money out of it giving players everything they want while slowly boring everyone and letting them all complete all their goals easily. Boredom does their work for them, they are even building up XIV slowly to make sure they don't emigrate over too quickly...it's a gradual process.

The sad fact is, when they made FFXIV the playerbase the game was going to get (or at least the majority of it) is FFXI players, they just cannot live side by side. Most MMO players do not want to play more than 1 MMO, no matter how casual they make them, both games are direct competition for each other. As long as XI is a fair success, FFXIV cannot be..one game will canabalise the players from the other.

FFXI is not future proof and has little ability to replace old users quitting due to rl stuff, that's why they would kill off a product that still makes money. It's not about losing customers, it's about making them move to your other title which you hope has a better ability to attract paying customers in the future.

FFXI has 2 years left in it, tops. Even the last listed update is slated as "the last stand" lol

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I think you're right

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

It's pretty clear XI is being slowly put out to pasture and unless a new expansion materializes itself, the content known as "The Last Stand" may very well be verbatim for the future of the game.

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Umm ive missed that, what is "the last stand" Sparthos, where did you read about that. Im not gonna deny I miss a lot lol, Im old, what can I say.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

My thoughts? I'm sick of these threads.

They're not "trying to end this." They're making money. There's no reason to do anything like that until they have something else that is making more money, and right now they probably don't have much if anything else in video games that's making much money. It's the manga/media business that's really bringing it in.

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Manga and Anime are kind of lackluster industry these days -- particularly anime.

That aside... I agree.

Gamers are so prone to sensationalism, its ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by chubrocka

Umm ive missed that, what is "the last stand" Sparthos, where did you read about that. Im not gonna deny I miss a lot lol, Im old, what can I say.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ing-April-2011

The roadmap going into '12.

Between October '11 and March '12, content dubbed "The Last Stand" will be introduced to FFXI.

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Originally Posted by chubrocka

Im wondering your thoughts?

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I'm currently thinking about what to do for dinner, because this thread is pretty pointless.

My conclusion is that since I have some left-over red sauce in the fridge, I'll just boil some dried noodles and put together a simple salad made of assorted greens.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

If XIV manages to overcome its terrible launch, it'd be one of the only MMOs to ever do so.

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Actually the Only MMO to survive and actually grow out of a bad launch was EVE online, but it had the advantage of being one of the only few options of it's specific genre. (Only competition at the time was Jumpgate)

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

I'm currently thinking about what to do for dinner, because this thread is pretty pointless.

My conclusion is that since I have some left-over red sauce in the fridge, I'll just boil some dried noodles and put together a simple salad made of assorted greens.

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And you replied then why?

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Originally Posted by chubrocka

And you replied then why?

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Well, you asked for my thoughts!