How badly is Fishing broken?

Hi all. :)

I used to fish on main several years ago before the fishing bots arrived and took over, so I quit.

I tried again on a mule maybe 3 years ago and quit, tried again last year and was able to fish some while waiting for the Goldsmithing Guild to open in Bastok Markets.

Now I am trying again on another mule, brand new starting out Fishing, no skill levels. My mule is almost 1 year old. I have tried using Yew fishing rods and the Halcyon Rod I made in Alchemy long ago and Little worms. I have tried other bait to no avail. My catches have been 4 Rusty Buckets, 2 pair of Rusty Leggings, 2 Dark Bass, a Dark Eel (all from Bastok Markets). Then everything came to a grinding halt with a long succession of "you didn't catch anything" messages. I moved to Port Bastok, same thing, no catches just "you didn't catch anything." I moved again to Selbina, caught 5 Greedie, 1 fat Greedie, a pair of Rusty Leggings and a Zalf- something Bass. In Selbina I gained .03 Fishing Skill. Again, I started getting the "you didn't catch anything" messages and even though I have gone back to Bastok Markets, I am catching a big fat nothing. Still now continuously getting those "you didn't catch anything" messages.

I know that Bastok Markets may not be the best place to fish, but I have had better success than this here in the past.

So what did SE screw up this time? I understand it was necessary to do something to stop the bots, but if I can't catch anything, I can't skill up. I guess I could go to Sandy or Windy and see what happens there.

In the meantime, if anyone has any idea or can direct me to the last Fishing update from SE, I would appreciate it. All I am really trying to do is get my own Rusty Leggings and Subligar for Nin Scrolls, plus if it seemed worth it to fish for cooking, I would do that, but not at this rate.

Thanks.

Tried again Port Sandy - again keep getting the message "you didn't catch anything" I give up.

I'm guessing your mule(s) aren't at least Lv20. The anti-RMT thing prohibits characters with a current main job lower than that from catching fish the same as it does for ones that are less than two weeks old.

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Originally Posted by Octaviane

fishing on a mule

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This is your problem

If they made fishing easy it would destroy it's profitability.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

If they made fishing easy it would destroy it's profitability.

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No, because most of it's profit comes from NPCing. It would make it's profitability more accessable.

My mule is level 34 and almost 1 year old. Another mule was level 24, is 4 years old and could fish up Nebs at least 10 months ago. I will try it on that mule and see what happens.

Seems like you're not very good at the whole botting thing.

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Originally Posted by Bumbeen

Seems like you're not very good at the whole botting thing.

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I thought they nerfed all of those.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

I thought they nerfed all of those.

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Perhaps this is why OP isn't catching any fish ^^?

Either way, he shouldn't be catching rusty items since it says in the log you've hooked a useless item.(that doesn't give skillups). The only reason he would catch them is if using a bot.

All I know is that I followed the guides and catch tons of fish just fine with 25.7 skill, but, I got no skill ups what so ever. >.<

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Originally Posted by Bumbeen

Perhaps this is why OP isn't catching any fish ^^?

Either way, he shouldn't be catching rusty items since it says in the log you've hooked a useless item.(that doesn't give skillups). The only reason he would catch them is if using a bot.

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And I would be making a post like this if I were, right? Don't be dense and accusatory. Please, try not to assume that everyone is a cheat or a bot. Remember, you would have to observe the activity and prove it.

My log also never said you have hooked a useless item when I fished up Rusty Buckets and Rusty Leggings. It said "You have fished up a Rusty Bucket".

You can catch useless items at any level and yes I know they don't give skill-ups, and yes I know about the level 20 restriction and the ~ 30 day restriction. I do not recall at anytime that SE said you could not fish on a mule as long as you were high enough level and had the character longer than 30 days.

So, if I can fish up Greedies, Cobalt jellyfish, a bass and a Fat Greedie with no fishing skills in Selbina and get a .03 skill-up, why can't I catch even a crayfish in Bastok Markets or Port Sandy if you're so knowleageable Bumbeen?

If the requirements for fishing have changed in the last 10 months then I am not aware of it.

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Originally Posted by Octaviane

And I would be making a post like this if I were, right? Don't be dense and accusatory. Please, try not to assume that everyone is a cheat or a bot. Remember, you would have to observe the activity and prove it.

My log also never said you have hooked a useless item when I fished up Rusty Buckets and Rusty Leggings. It said "You have fished up a Rusty Bucket".

You can catch useless items at any level and yes I know they don't give skill-ups, and yes I know about the level 20 restriction and the ~ 30 day restriction. I do not recall at anytime that SE said you could not fish on a mule as long as you were high enough level and had the character longer than 30 days.

So, if I can fish up Greedies, Cobalt jellyfish, a bass and a Fat Greedie with no fishing skills in Selbina and get a .03 skill-up, why can't I catch even a crayfish in Bastok Markets or Port Sandy if you're so knowleageable Bumbeen?

If the requirements for fishing have changed in the last 10 months then I am not aware of it.

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Why are you catching rusty items? They don't give fishing skillups.

Fish are like any other mob, there is a maximum number that can exist in the water at any given time, and they have a specific restock rate. The restock rate increases/decreases with the phase of the moon.

There's nothing "wrong" with fishing (other than the fact that it's boring).

Vast majority of people that fish are bots, idk why it's still in the game.

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Originally Posted by Bumbeen

Why are you catching rusty items? They don't give fishing skillups.

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If you would read my original post, it says why right there.

I just conducted an experiment, here are the results.

Started out this morning on the mule I wanted to try fishing on that is level 34 and almost 1 year old, same result as yesterday. "you didn't catch anything."

Sent Halcyon Rod and bait to second Mule, that has level 14 fishing skill, job level 24 and 4 years old character. Hasn't fished in 10 months or so. I fished normally in Port Sandy, catching 5 Moat Carp, 10 Crayfish, 2 Tri-Colored Carp, 1 Gold Carp and 1 pair of Rusty Leggings. I even changed jobs to a level 6 from 24 and fished normally. At exactly the 30 minute mark of fishing I started receiving the message "you didn't catch anything." This was continuous from then on.

Sent Halycon Rod and remaining bait to Main Character, level 8 Fishing Skill, job level 90, over 5 years old character. Main has not fished since the days of bots. Fished normally in Bastok Markets, catching 6 Moat Carp, 7 Dark Bass, 3 Black Eel's and 4 pair of Rusty Leggings. No skill-ups received on catching fish. At exactly the 30 minute mark of fishing I started receiving the message "you didn't catch anything." Again continuous from that point on.

I would venture that something has changed drastically in Fishing at some point during the last 10 months when my mule that has level 14 Fishing Skill could fish for a long time on the Ferry Selbina/Mhaura catching Nebs and receive small skill-ups.

I am going to report these findings to SE and see what they say. I do remember that something was done to fishing in the last 4 months or so, but honestly did not read the details.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Vast majority of people that fish are bots, idk why it's still in the game.

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I am not a bot. Why do people think that everyone is a cheat or a bot? Same applies to you as it does to Bumbeen. Don't assume that some one is cheating unless you have proof positive.

So, I did more research, found the Fishing adjustments made back in April and please read what I found. This was posted by Bumbeen who earlier in this thread insinuated that I was a bot. Guess his/her INT decreased since this post made in June and he/she wasn't calling anyone a bot then.

"You only get 20+ didn't catch anythings in a row when you've hit fatigue cap.

Also fish are catchable on timers, or windows, there's no gear that can bypass a string of you didn't catch anything, it isn't just bad luck. Everyone fishing the same type of fish all are simultaneously unable to catch that fish when the window is closed.

Also, it only takes about 3 hours to hit fatigue cap in talacca cove with lu shang and lv90+ fishing.

Obviously they could make the windows smaller, like 1 minute on 1 minute off instead of 5 on 5 off. "

So, the answer to my question, at least on one mule and main is I hit fatigue cap after 30 minutes with level 14 and 8 Fishing skill respectively. Still no reason for me to NOT be able to fish on my other mule.

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I am not a bot. Why do people think that everyone is a cheat or a bot? Same applies to you as it does to Bumbeen. Don't assume that some one is cheating unless you have proof positive.

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"Vast majority" doesn't mean everyone it means most.

If you pay attention to the messages, you can tell if it's an item, fish or monster.

You don't need a bot to distinguish between them very easily.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

No, because most of it's profit comes from NPCing. It would make it's profitability more accessable.

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No it's profit come from cooking and from catching Gugrusaurus Liks and rusty items in Abyssea that are sold on the AH for 15-20k each as well as catching bugs and alligators to get the two fishing rings from Zaldon that sell on the AH for 500k and 2 million respectively. NPCing is small potatoes. I can make more money gardening wildgrass than I can by selling fish to an NPC for laughably small amounts of gil.

FYI you can wear two fishing skillup rings and use each one for a double skillup enchantment.

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Originally Posted by Octaviane

I am not a bot. Why do people think that everyone is a cheat or a bot?

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Because they cheat and bot, and think everyone else does too.

And when you try to explain to them why you don't cheat they don't believe you, or if they do they are completely perplexed because the idea of not cheating is as alien to them as the idea of color as a smell.

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Originally Posted by Bumbeen

Why are you catching rusty items? They don't give fishing skillups.

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You got caught in your own assumption by not properly reading my OP then calling me a bot. Unfortunately for you, I remembered that an adjustment had been made to Fishing not long ago. I went and found that post from SE and posted YOUR response to almost the exact same question that was asked back then. You COULD have re-posted that response to my OP, instead you chose to call me a bot. For shame. That's a gotcha.

The only reason you would catch any rusty items is if you were botting it. Ever since the last fishing update, I haven't caught one. single. rusty. item.


Despite that though, on your main character, how many "you didn't catch anythings" do you mean by continuous? If it's more than 20, you need to wait longer before you reel in the fish, there is an anti-bot measure that detects if you're catching them too fast and nerfs your catches for the entire day.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

No it's profit come from cooking and from catching Gugrusaurus Liks and rusty items in Abyssea that are sold on the AH for 15-20k each as well as catching bugs and alligators to get the two fishing rings from Zaldon that sell on the AH for 500k and 2 million respectively. NPCing is small potatoes. I can make more money gardening wildgrass than I can by selling fish to an NPC for laughably small amounts of gil.

FYI you can wear two fishing skillup rings and use each one for a double skillup enchantment.

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Those rings dont sell for that much, lol.

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Originally Posted by Bumbeen

The only reason you would catch any rusty items is if you were botting it. Ever since the last fishing update, I haven't caught one. single. rusty. item.


Despite that though, on your main character, how many "you didn't catch anythings" do you mean by continuous? If it's more than 20, you need to wait longer before you reel in the fish, there is an anti-bot measure that detects if you're catching them too fast and nerfs your catches for the entire day.

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None until the 30 minute fishing mark, then 20 + in a row on both Main and mule. Can you not read and understand my postings? That is what I said. Able to fish normally until 30 minute mark of fishing then 20+ "you didn't catch anything." I would also say that my catches weren't anything out of the ordinary either on any of the 2 characters I was able to fish on.

Again I will advise strongly that you do not assume people are bots and cheats because they are catching "rusty items." Do not accuse or intimate such until or unless you can provide concrete evidence. You haven't been able to do so thus far and I have shot your own theory down using your own post against you on the subject. Check my posts for the fishing levels on all characters and tell me that I do not have a chance at low levels of catching Rusty items.

So ruminate on this now please.

An update! Today, able to fish NORMALLY on the mule I wasn't able to fish on for 2 days in a row, except for a few minutes the first day. The ONLY thing different today is mule is 1 level higher, level 35. I fished until my bait was gone, almost 1 hour and caught the following in Bastok Markets.........19 Moat Carp, 11 Dark Bass, 1 Rusty Bucket, 5 Pairs of Rusty Leggings, and 1 gil. Fishing skill now level 1.1.............no Fatigue at 30 minutes, at most 4 or 5 "You didn't catch anything" messages.

I now have the 10 pair of Rusty Leggings needed for the Quest "Like Shining Leggings", which was part of my purpose, and also to see if it would be worth starting Cooking to make not only my own food but fishing bait as well. Granted, Rusty Leggings are only 100 gil on the AH, but I like the hunt thank you and I will most certainly be going after Rusty Subligar since they are 5k each on the AH.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Those rings dont sell for that much, lol.

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You're right they both sell for around 500k now. Puffin Ring used to be around 2 million though. Still good money.

What is your drop rate on getting one of those rings though? I doubt its very high. SO while you CAN make a good lump some getting lucky to get a ring to sale, thats not going to be the main, constant moneymaker for you.

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Originally Posted by Octaviane

Check my posts for the fishing levels on all characters and tell me that I do not have a chance at low levels of catching Rusty items.

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I think what the player meant was that normally people would cancel those 'un-wanted' items and not reel them up, completely missing the point that you actually wanted them.

Or so it seemed to me, at least. ^^;


Anyways, good to see you seem to have gotten past the issue, what ever it was. Though it would be great to know exactly what was going on. I personally don't remember noticing anything like this while going up to 40+ fishing skill (and no, I don't cheat either, though I know we are a rarity!)
I did not really do fishing after the latest tweaks that were done to the system, only went for a few fishy for an Altana quest, but that didn't take long at all so can't say I've been fishing yet.


I sort of do want to now, for some reason...

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Originally Posted by Kimble

What is your drop rate on getting one of those rings though? I doubt its very high. SO while you CAN make a good lump some getting lucky to get a ring to sale, thats not going to be the main, constant moneymaker for you.

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Drop rate from Zaldon on the Noddy ring is actually not bad, certainly not like Opal silk or anything like that. And the bugs are ridiculously easy to catch at 100 fishing.