Comet/Meteor

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Originally Posted by Square

Adding a spell that can be cast while under the effect of Tabula Rasa.

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I know they found, in a recent .dat mining expedition from that last VU that they added a .dat for black magic casting Comet/Meteor. Now that I've read the above quote in their list for what they want to do with Scholar...well, am I the only concerned that they intend to give Comet to Scholar and not Black Mage? Maybe they'll both get it, and maybe I'm just paranoid (probably only the latter), or maybe I'm just trying to stir up pointless, potentially rage-inducing purely-speculative frenzy that has absolutely no direct proof discussion because I have nothing better to do at the moment (doesn't matter) but, knowing Square and how backwards they can be sometimes...

Anyway, the Black Mage notes didn't really hint at Comet at all while that last line of Scholar does (to a degree). Thoughts?

The black mage notes don't, but the quote from vanafest where they announced the cap being lifted, job changes, etc... did.

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The joy of black magic is that of blast, blast, blasting your enemies away-even if you don't always survive the battle-and we plan to further explore this path.
To that end, black mages can look forward to adding Meteor (strength and attributes yet to be determined) to their spellbooks in the none-too-distant future!

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Edit: Decided to go find the page to link so I wasn't just talking out my ass.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/event/vanafes2010/

Scholar will probably get Comet and BLM will get Meteor. The little note about SCH learning spells comparable to WHM and BLM makes me think that even more now. I think that is fine. The problem is that now I'm afraid comet will be limited to Tabula Rasa. . .

Nerf Blu!!!!!!

Sch never.

That .dat has been there forever. And, for that matter, both spells have as well, just available only to monsters.

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Originally Posted by Mezzopiano

That .dat has been there forever. And, for that matter, both spells have as well, just available only to monsters.

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The .dat where theres an actual black magic casting and then the spell going off or just the spell going off animation? Obviously the latter was always there as Comet is used by certain enemies (as well as meteor).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYzNOQ_Ly-k
Edit: The 1:47 mark in the video is Comet.
Double Edit: Maybe the actual person-casting Comet/Meteor has always been in the .dats, I don't know, but it seems to have been, at the very least, added again in the last update.

I hope sch doesn't get comet....they should get more spells that are unique and different, not just mirrors or pale imitations of what a blm or whm can do....they are battle strategists, not ghetto blm or ghetto whm lol

BLM meteor while under Manafont
SCH comet while under Tabula Rasa

You know it's going to happen.

Um...SCH will get Ultima (as its had a fair usage as White and Black Magic in previous titles), BLM will get comet/Meteor, WHM will get Holy II

I'm expecting Comet and Meteor to end up like Holy lol. Why in the world would SCH get Ultima...

Because in the past FF titles it has been either White Magic or Black Magic, and the SCH 2hr utilizes both Light and Dark simultaneous, it makes logical sense, but this is SE we are talking about, so...

The Tabula Rasa spell is going to be Comet which makes sense as SCH already has spells active only when in specific addenda.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

The Tabula Rasa spell is going to be Comet which makes sense as SCH already has spells active only when in specific addenda.

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Link to confirmation?

Also would it be modified by penury/celerity or parsimony/alacrity?

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Because in the past FF titles it has been either White Magic or Black Magic, and the SCH 2hr utilizes both Light and Dark simultaneous, it makes logical sense, but this is SE we are talking about, so...

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Hence this thread ^^;

I won't deny that it could potentially be ultima but I didn't really see any .dats in that video that could really fit ultima. Not that they could've just excluded ultima from the .dats in that update and are going to add it in the actual update. I digress.

I do wonder what the actual potency/damage potential of comet/meteor is going to be, regardless of which job they get pinned to. Especially once we compare it to tier 5 black magic and the damage the mob-versions of these spells can do. See: Promathia vs Behemoth vs Rani in terms of Meteor damage

This then leads me back to being curious about what the spell is that will be tied to Tabula Rasa. Also makes me wonder what that means for other 2 hours getting another thing attached to them. Though this train of thought strays from the original topic of the thread: which boils down to "Comet = Tabula Rasa?", it does make me wonder what they can do with other 2 hours such as Benediction (Reviviscencega?) and Meikyo or Mijin Gakure (add auto reraise?). /off-topic train of thought

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Originally Posted by Raksha

Link to confirmation?

Also would it be modified by penury/celerity or parsimony/alacrity?

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In the last Version update, a new comet was added to the dats. Granted this Tabula Rasa spell is supposed to be worthy of a 2hr, it make sense for SCH since BLM would then be free to have Meteor.

There is no precedent for Ultima but there is for Comet.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

In the last Version update, a new comet was added to the dats. Granted this Tabula Rasa spell is supposed to be worthy of a 2hr, it make sense for SCH since BLM would then be free to have Meteor.

There is no precedent for Ultima but there is for Comet.

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So just more speculation then. Okay.

If SCH get's Ultima i'll come back from Hiatus.

Well first off, why can't sch have Comet (single target) and BLM have Comet (single) AND meteor (AoE, like the Behemoth's)?

Then give Ultima to SCH when under Tabla Rasa, also please note that the manifesto is talking levels 91-99 not 91-95, so Ultima would be something added @99 (more than likely due to is precedents in other games) and that meaning it doesn't HAVE to be in the .dats just yet so there is no reason to rule it out yet.

So this is how I see it playing out:

BLM learns Comet @93
SCH learns Comet @97
BLM learns Meteor @99
SCH learns Ultima* @99

*Only under the influence of Tabla Rasa

Thinking about Ultima a little harder I've come to the conclusion that we won't be getting the spell "Ultima" as a form of Ultima is already in the game: Proto Ultima and the Ultima from the Airship fight (most everyone already knows this). Ultima can be either a spell or a monster (potentially summonable, depending on game) but there hasn't been an instance of both the spell Ultima and the monster Ultima within the same final fantasy game before.

Can anyone think of such an instance? If not, then it's highly unlikely anything will be getting Ultima as a spell, aside from Summoner, which is even more unlikely.

It's quite likely that SCH willl get Comet (single Target) while BLM gets Meteor (AoE) and I see nothing wrong with that. I've seen some people calling for Ultima but honestly, that too should really be BLM only. SCH has no business using the epitome of destructive magic, that belongs to the dedicated death-dealer.


As for the White Magic, maybe a spell that directly restores MP or TP? And I don't mean Refresh or Regain, I mean straight up flat amounts of MP & TP given to the target(s). The potential for abuse with a spell like that, even if only for 30 seconds, would be quite high but no more so than a party of 2H DD's zerging with 80% Haste if you think about it...

It's hard to think of any sort of unique buff not presently in the game that SCH could get that wouldn't be infringing on the other support classes.


To the people asking for Mighty Guard - Yeah I got news for you, if anyone's getting that spell it's BLU. Farming that SOB for that spell is going to suck something fierce, but that's another topic.

um...Malacite you do understand that Ultima was Originally WHITE MAGIC, right? (as in the first instance it appeared), from that it has flip-flopped between FF games, sometimes even being non-elemental (not white or black magic) magic damage.

In VI there was Ultima Weapon and Ultima (summon in this case, yet again), then there was an Ultima creature.
FFX you could get Ultima (non-elemental spell) and you could fight the Ultima Weapon (creature in one of those optional areas)
FFVII there was an Ultima Material (one of the most powerful spells in the game) and there was most definitely an Ultima Weapon (creature)

Okay there are 3 references right off the top of my head, so that point isn't really valid. I still believe based on the nature of the spell that it should be reserved for SCH, and nothing will be able to sway me otherwise. It's history has crossed between White and Black Magic, and it makes sense (if SE gives a damn about anything they've created in the past) to make it obtainable when both Light and Dark Magics have reached optimized harmony (Tabla Rasa).

When has it ever been white magic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MBQkB1ZzP4


FF2: Simply says the ultimate magic sealed away by the ancients, but why would something do destructive be considered WHITE MAGIC?!
FF4: BLACK MAGIC
FF6: BLACK MAGIC
FF7: No real label made, but again it's deliberate, offensive magic - e.g. BLACK MAGIC

And it goes on.


The only offensive white magic spells have always been Holy & Dia in offline series. Not ONCE has it ever been shown clearly as "white" magic - nor would that even make any sort of sense.

So, how does your foot taste? If you're going to troll like this, at least learn your stuff. It was also available as an exclusive ability to Ramza in FFT but that wasn't really white magic either (don't think it counted as either technically, as it's considered a Squire ability skill unique to Ramza)

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

Thinking about Ultima a little harder I've come to the conclusion that we won't be getting the spell "Ultima" as a form of Ultima is already in the game: Proto Ultima and the Ultima from the Airship fight (most everyone already knows this). Ultima can be either a spell or a monster (potentially summonable, depending on game) but there hasn't been an instance of both the spell Ultima and the monster Ultima within the same final fantasy game before.

Can anyone think of such an instance? If not, then it's highly unlikely anything will be getting Ultima as a spell, aside from Summoner, which is even more unlikely.

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FF7. Ultima Weapon taught Ultima as the game's version of Blue Magic, iirc.

EDIT: Was beat to the punch in answering.

You're thinking of Shadowflare (or something like that) where the screen goes white & black and all these black dots appear all over the screen. gimmie a second...


Yeah I thought so. Happens at 5:48 in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPToOsNLddU


Ultima was a Green materia gotten after the train Huge Materia section in Barret's town. Yeah I know I'm getting my nerd on here, but I own and have beaten all the offline titles :cool: several times over.

Well the "Comet" in the dats video looks like Meteor that Rani casts. The previous "comet" ended up as the spell Impact from the Twilight Cloak. There are already animations for Comet, as seen from Shinryu and Absolute Virtue and other notorious monsters.

I don't think Scholars will get Comet or Meteor. Comet is a darkness element spell, and is therefore unlikely to be usable exclusively from Tabula Rasa.
As for black mages, I could see meteor being a 2 hour manafont-only ability.
Perhaps even triggering the 2 hour upon being cast. If it's not, it's likely to cost too much MP to use outside of magic bursts, as otherwise there would be no real point to using other -ajas really. Not unrealistic to see it costing over 500 MP

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Originally Posted by Malacite

When has it ever been white magic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MBQkB1ZzP4


FF2: Simply says the ultimate magic sealed away by the ancients, but why would something do destructive be considered WHITE MAGIC?!
FF4: BLACK MAGIC
FF6: BLACK MAGIC
FF7: No real label made, but again it's deliberate, offensive magic - e.g. BLACK MAGIC

And it goes on.


The only offensive white magic spells have always been Holy & Dia in offline series. Not ONCE has it ever been shown clearly as "white" magic - nor would that even make any sort of sense.

So, how does your foot taste? If you're going to troll like this, at least learn your stuff. It was also available as an exclusive ability to Ramza in FFT but that wasn't really white magic either (don't think it counted as either technically, as it's considered a Squire ability skill unique to Ramza)

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http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/U...Tome#Mechanics

Thanks for the link, Zyeriis. Sometimes you just gotta school the schoolers.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

In VI there was Ultima Weapon and Ultima (summon in this case, yet again), then there was an Ultima creature.

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Ultima was a spell in FFVI. It was taught by Ragnarok or the Paladin Shield. But it was definitely a spell, not a summon.

There was also FFVIII with Ultima weapon and Ultima the spell, was considerably broken when junctioned to Elem-Def

Although from what I understand I know some ppl choose to forget that VIII exists.

At any rate all the counter-points have pretty much been dispeled, it's been a White Magic and there have been multiple times where Ultima (spell) and Ultima (monster) exist in the same game. And again I will state, that makes it the perfect candidate to being the Tabla Rasa only spell (or one of them if there are going to be more than one). BLM just gonna have to get over it, you don't want SCH to have their own spells, and you don't want them to share the same spells...oiye!

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

At any rate all the counter-points have pretty much been dispeled, it's been a White Magic and there have been multiple times where Ultima (spell) and Ultima (monster) exist in the same game. And again I will state, that makes it the perfect candidate to being the Tabla Rasa only spell (or one of them if there are going to be more than one). BLM just gonna have to get over it, you don't want SCH to have their own spells, and you don't want them to share the same spells...oiye!

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You have your own set of spells, its just that us BLMs and WHMs don't want you to take over ours.

Ok, ONE game in the series where it's White, and even that's debatable - Yeah it raises spirit, but the article also notes that it functions independently of Spirit and Intelligence. To me that signifies it's in its own class of magic.

It's clearly labeled as black magic in 4 and 6 however, as denoted by the Black icon. In FFX, Ultima is under Lulu's section of the grid. 7 & 8 don't make clear distinctions between the two, but how hard is it to infer that destructive = black magic? Only Kuja could use it in 9, and again, using protective magic to blow up an entire planet? Not very "white".


It could still happen, but I wouldn't go betting on it. As I said before it's BLM's job to rain death & destruction on the enemy, so Ultima is much more fitting for them as a 99 merit or something (or possibly as a spell attached to the 99 Empyrean Staff, which would be cool.). SCH dabbles in that area, but it's not your singular focus/specialization.

It sounds to me like you're just jealous of BLM honestly.

lol Malacite as a 90BLM and 90SCH, your in the total wrong ballpark with that assumption, lol... IDEALLY I would like it on both, but that will NEVER happen...

Oh and just to throw a cork in your "destruction must equal black magic" theory; Holy.

And if its been anything more than anything its always been NON ELEMENTAL (even in games where it is "black magic"), meaning your out of BLM's specialty, and into a completely different ballpark; hence again, why it would make perfect sense as a Schema spell for SCH's 2hr.

Light is not always good, and Holy usually deals damage. Or in the case of FFVII, hates you.

More then likely the SCH 2hr spells are refering to the tier 5 nukes.

Just a question on "ultimate spells" would players be willing to sacrifice their entire MP pool(ala summoners 2 hr) on comet/meteor if damage was significant enough?

I think if SE were to create such a spell ability, then the damage/enimty should be the same formula. Perhaps enimty would be no more than use of the 2 hr only. Could be magic guested also.

If you look at it this way:

The opening video was the war 20 years ago

Lots of SCH back then, not so much now, where BLM is more abundant.

So all those taru BLM you thought were casting meteor were actually SCH. Even though they looked like they were wearing BLM AF1

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

More then likely the SCH 2hr spells are refering to the tier 5 nukes.

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Do you even play FF11?

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

lol Malacite as a 90BLM and 90SCH, your in the total wrong ballpark with that assumption, lol... IDEALLY I would like it on both, but that will NEVER happen...

Oh and just to throw a cork in your "destruction must equal black magic" theory; Holy.

And if its been anything more than anything its always been NON ELEMENTAL (even in games where it is "black magic"), meaning your out of BLM's specialty, and into a completely different ballpark; hence again, why it would make perfect sense as a Schema spell for SCH's 2hr.

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You've got to be the worst troll ever. Yeah Holy is offensive, it's also primarily for dealing with undead mobs just like Dia was in the older games. Lol, you pick one of the only 2 offensive spells ever made and suddenly there's a hole in my Logic?

Give me one good reason why SCH, a hybrid job that focuses on maximizing white & black magic, should have the "Utlimate destructive magic" spell over BLM. You know, the job who's primary role is to slaughter hordes of enemies. Go on, I'm waiting.

Oh yeah, and "I have a raging hard-on for SCH and am super jealous of BLMs" doesn't count.