New Avatars Are Coming

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Vision
Mystics who conjure avatars to fight by their sides, then sit back and enjoy the show while paying close attention to their MP as their minions deliver devastating blows to adversaries and provide aid to allies

We intend to make it easier for avatars to wreak havoc upon enemies, but also emphasize how vital the act of managing the source of their magical powers is to summoners.

Example Adjustments

A new ability that expends an additional amount of MP to shorten the recast time for blood pacts.
Introducing the avatars Cait Sith and Atomos.

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Not so excited Atomos is coming since it will have to be another 2h ability, but Cait Sith could be fun.

I hope that neither are 2hr only avatars.

Maybe Cait Sith will become our new Light elemental avatar.

...damn, need to finish WotG stat!

I don't like the mp statement. And if one is a two hour how much more mp can it take? Are we gonna have some type of mp debt?

what...? cait sith is an avatar??? since when!? o_O

If there are like Odin and Alex where they use the 2hr, don't even bother, Square.

wow such negativity even before the idea gets off the ground...other threads were convinced there wouldn't even be new avatars, so be happy lol

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Originally Posted by Dohati

what...? cait sith is an avatar??? since when!? o_O

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Next update lol

Atomos may not be a 2hr ability. I remember there was one WoTG mission where you fight a Cait Sith that summons Atomos in a smaller form; it's possible that we'll get something like this with extended BPs. On the other hand, you may be right and it may be a 2hr that drains HP/MP/Stats from the enemy and gives it to you (his specific move in the mission). We really won't know until the update.

i've a feeling Atomos is gonna suck


..literally :p

Hopefully both of them will be full-time avatars. Cait Sith will do just fine as the next light based avatar.

as for Atomos, if its not fulltime, then its probably 2hr styled.. and it'd better be something useful, like say reduce all stats, eva, mag eva, def, mag def, removes all beneficial statuses and prevents beneficial statuses for a certain period of time. Ultimate Suck!

Sorry if this sounds negative but

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If there are like Odin and Alex where they use the 2hr, don't even bother, Square.

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I agree with this 100%. I don't need another Toy i can only use once every 2 hours. I love SMN as a job, But the last thing we need on our plate is another avatar so situational, it can only be used once every 2 hours, and is weighted between 3 others (Odin, Alexander, Atomos, and Cait sith).

I'll wait for that particular update though, as I right now don't have any expectations on this. Because they haven't mentioned them being 2hour only and I dont think Cait Sith would be a logical "2hr only" mob.

Just out of curiosity, how far do I need to get myself in the WoTG missions? Haha I planned to take my time And go through them eventually but I'll make getting to the necessary mission a priority :)

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Sorry if this sounds negative but

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If there are like Odin and Alex where they use the 2hr, don't even bother, Square.

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I agree with this 100%. I don't need another Toy i can only use once every 2 hours. I love SMN as a job, But the last thing we need on our plate is another avatar so situational, it can only be used once every 2 hours, and is weighted between 3 others (Odin, Alexander, Atomos, and Cait sith).

I'll wait for that particular update though, as I right now don't have any expectations on this. Because they haven't mentioned them being 2hour only and I dont think Cait Sith would be a logical "2hr only" mob.

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They didn't mention that Odin and Alexander was 2hr only when they first announced those 2 avatars either.

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Originally Posted by Sasaraixx

Just out of curiosity, how far do I need to get myself in the WoTG missions? Haha I planned to take my time And go through them eventually but I'll make getting to the necessary mission a priority :)

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Probably complete the whole storyline.

I hope they have higher perp costs and better stats. We need to weed the bottom rung out.

I'd guess that it's completion of WotG, possibly using the grauberg conflux to access the battlefield(s).

However, it could also be

voidwatch. After fully upgrading all three stratum abyssites to level 4 and killing Celaeno, Hahava, and Voidwrought, there is a cutscene involving Kupofreid and an alternate dimension Cait Sith. After WotG, our world's Cait Sith is supposed to have left for good.

If this is the case, then WoE might also be involved; you never know.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

They didn't mention that Odin and Alexander was 2hr only when they first announced those 2 avatars either.

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Pretty sure they said "They'll play differently than other avatars".

Because i remember the speculation of them being pure DPS with weaker BPs or something.

Mh, been thinking, if DRG got their 2hr turned into a 20 min recast timer, it woulde VERY VERY nice that the astral flow to become a 20 min ability too, that way the 2rh avatars woulde be of more use, also the AoE pacts of regular avatars, and we could speculate in a brand new 2hr.

Astral Ward
Just of the top of my mind, maybe a 2hr that last X time depending on SMN skill like an aura effect that grants a super bar-like that absorbs damage of said element depending on avatar casted plus a buff ad hoc of said avatar (haste, double attack etc)

Astral Rage
Same as ward but instead of the bar-like aura an en-like aura plus the same buffs depending on avatar.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

I hope they have higher perp costs and better stats. We need to weed the bottom rung out.

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You do realize that with higher perp costs, it would make melee summoner even more useless, right?

Instead of 14 mp per tick perp to keep your avatars out, it will cost you 16/17 mp per tick instead, plus the additional cost of 164/176 MP to use the lower timed BP. You wouldn't be able to keep up with it.

If anything, you should be rejecting this because it hurts your playstyle the most.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

You do realize that with higher perp costs, it would make melee summoner even more useless, right?

Instead of 14 mp per tick perp to keep your avatars out, it will cost you 16/17 mp per tick instead, plus the additional cost of 164/176 MP to use the lower timed BP. You wouldn't be able to keep up with it.

If anything, you should be rejecting this because it hurts your playstyle the most.

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I don't like it I think it sounds like a kick in the teeth just when we were getting used to keeping the avatars out.

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Originally Posted by Neonii

I don't like it I think it sounds like a kick in the teeth just when we were getting used to keeping the avatars out.

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Lets not panic til we find out how much it will cost us to use. it could only be a 25% increase is cost for a 15sec delay minus, as it stands I could handle this simply by leveling /RDM.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

I hope they have higher perp costs and better stats. We need to weed the bottom rung out.

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You are the bottom rung.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

You do realize that with higher perp costs, it would make melee summoner even more useless, right?

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I have more MP to spare, bandwagoner. That means more expensive avatars and "MP for reduced timers" benefit me more than you. Did you ever play SMN while levelling it?

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Originally Posted by Neonii

I don't like it I think it sounds like a kick in the teeth just when we were getting used to keeping the avatars out.

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For normal players sure, its not that bad. With minimal work, you can have free avatars, and can get up to +2 mp refresh (+5 on day of the week bonus/weather bonus of +2 AF hands) without any type of refresh offered.

For him, who knows.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

I have more MP to spare, bandwagoner. That means more expensive avatars and "MP for reduced timers" benefit me more than you. It's almost like you bought your account.

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You use more MP than me. It doesn't matter that you state you can recover 900+ MP per 300% TP, but I know you need that much because that is how much it costs for you to keep an avatar out for 3 minutes. That is about as long as it would take for you to get 300% TP, if not longer with some mobs. But, in the sake of argument, we are talking about trash mobs, so getting 300% TP for you isn't that difficult in 3 minutes.

You can keep up now, but can you keep up with MP when you have the ability to use more of it? But then again, you wouldn't be able to keep up with it if you are constantly riding on empty every time. This new ability will break you if you use it. So you won't. So you will fall farther behind everyone else because of it.

Also, that comment of buying my account? Real smooth. Out of everyone, that query should be placed on you, not me.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

I have more MP to spare, bandwagoner. That means more expensive avatars and "MP for reduced timers" benefit me more than you. Did you ever play SMN while levelling it?

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You are aware there's more - perp and refresh gear out therre than we currently need right? I have no MP problem right now and could fairly easily get another -2 perp and +2 refresh, and I've yet to level /RDM as well. Your MP arguments fall as flat on their face as you do.

I know how much you depend on perp gear, Raz. I want the new avatars to drain your only resource and I want the new timer ability to drain my resource. I'm holding back because of the timer. I want to spend more MP because I can.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

I know how much you depend on perp gear, Raz. I want the new avatars to drain your only resource and I want the new timer ability to drain my resource. I'm holding back because of the timer. I want to spend more MP because I can.

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So can I Dallas except I have the same resource and mine is just as unlimited as yours I'm going to finally level my /RDM and I'll still be in the same position I am now which is Unlimited MP, in fact I'll more than likely be even better off for MP as I doubt the cost will be that high.

This back and forth arguing about who plays SMN the best makes me giggle a little, lol.

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Originally Posted by Vazerus

This back and forth arguing about who plays SMN the best makes me giggle a little, lol.

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Me too, lol

The lazy guy who barely managed a 700 DMG Full Swing with Fay Crozier and a staff skill 80-90 points under cap has never been under consideration for "best" anything.

Information still only flows one way.

I think the best thing you could do Dallas is not hide behind a mule and really show everyone how amazing you are.

Think about it, If you just came here and showed everyone full proof of what you say they'd all shut up about it.

You'd win.

Hopefully 2 separate avatars incoming and not Cait Sith being 2 hour only and his BP is to summon Atomos (the feeling I get from remembering the WOTG battle) is not all we're left with.

Stating the obvious, it would be nice to have these 2 work independently, not require Astral Flow to call upon their powers and make the Alexander/Odin joke pack the only time this sort of things happens.

Although, I'm not holding my breath. They'll probably meet these 2 ideas in the middle and have Cait Sith as the obtainable and regular summonable avatar that will summon Atomos when Astral Flow has been used.

We'll see.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

The lazy guy who barely managed a 700 DMG Full Swing with Fay Crozier and a staff skill 80-90 points under cap has never been under consideration for "best" anything.

Information still only flows one way.

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Barely managed? Please that was a demonstration of how easy it is to do big damage(doing 1k now lol) in Abyssea without even trying, and as such any epeen numbers you post of you in Abyssea are worthless. I'm a better SMN than you'll ever be a melee, hell I'm a better SMN than you could hope to be.

It sure does, but funnily enough it never flows from you.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I think the best thing you could do Dallas is not hide behind a mule and really show everyone how amazing you are.

Think about it, If you just came here and showed everyone full proof of what you say they'd all shut up about it.

You'd win.

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That's the thing there is no proof, Dallas never has proof. Anytime he's asked for something he hids behind stupid stuff like "You're not worthy of seeing my gear" or "I'll leave you to suffer without seeing my numbers".

For the record I'm not against SMN melee if the SMN is a good player and knows when to do it by all means go forth, just people who insist that it's the only way to play it, make stupid wild unsubstantiatable claims and say they fulltime melee and call gimp on anyone who disagrees.

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Originally Posted by Damage

Although, I'm not holding my breath. They'll probably meet these 2 ideas in the middle and have Cait Sith as the obtainable and regular summonable avatar that will summon Atomos when Astral Flow has been used.

We'll see.

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That would actually be kind of cool, although it would kind of screw us out of the 2 new avatars promised.

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Originally Posted by Razushu

That's the thing there is no proof, Dallas never has proof. Anytime he's asked for something he hids behind stupid stuff like "You're not worthy of seeing my gear" or "I'll leave you to suffer without seeing my numbers".

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Yes. I'm aware.

I'm simply trying to tell him that if he finally provided evidence, proof, and stopped hiding behind a mule, he may actually win. He'd get what he wanted, Shutting up the naysayers.

I simply see no logic in calling yourself the best if you have no desire to prove your power. Then it just seems like a false king.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Yes. I'm aware.

I'm simply trying to tell him that if he finally provided evidence, proof, and stopped hiding behind a mule, he may actually win. He'd get what he wanted, Shutting up the naysayers.

I simply see no logic in calling yourself the best if you have no desire to prove your power. Then it just seems like a false king.

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This is true, if he showed himself to be a competant player I don't think anyone would have a problem with him(attitude aside).

Yay! New avatars! ^^

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Originally Posted by Caspr_Asura

Yay! New avatars! ^^

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I know it's weird that I find myself getting more excited about Atomos the more I think about it, I'm really curious to find out what he does and how he works.

My concept of Atomos (before he was announced, still without details) was:

The summoned Avatar of Atomos (Atomos' Maw) would share many of Jikuu Sage's spells, just like many of the elemental avatars share their spells with Black Mage. Atomos allows its Maws to be summoned in their active, floating form. These maws attack by spinning around, letting their multiple blades slash through the enemy.

Physical Attack Additional Effect: Time Slip - Sends an enemy through time, aging it prematurely. Enemy loses stats on each hit up to 5 times. Adds increasing slow effect with each hit. (5 levels of this "Old Age" status, like dancer steps) This effect would wear off one step at a time, when Atomos does not attack to keep the effect up.

Level 1 Astral Flow: Rage: Ravenous Maw
Drains all the enemies' stats (Str/Dex/Vit/etc) and a large amount of HP, MP, all TP, and adds them to the summoner or a selected recipient.
* Stats drained by this method remain "reduced" for 10min.
* Drained stats remain added to Summoner. (possibly select target to receive the stats instead?)

Level 10 Rage: Stardust II
A shower of tiny burning meteors blast the region and set things ablaze.
* Causes "Burn" damage over time effect.
* Elemental Magic (Non-elemental, or Fire?)

Level 40 Rage: Gravity Well
Duration: 1min
Causes "Black Hole" status. The enemy who has been trapped in a gravity well ("Black Hole" status) cannot escape taking damage from these special additional dimensional magic bursts in the form of: Quarter, Demi and Lifeshaver
* Quarter adds 1/4th the damage of every level 1 skillchain's full Magic burst damage.
* Demi adds 1/2 the damage of every level 2 skillchain's full Magic burst damage.
* Lifeshaver adds the full damage of every level 3+ skillchain's full Magic burst damage, and heals the party by that amount split between members.
* The damage of these magic bursts is figured on the potential unresisted damage of the resulting magic bursts, even if the magic bursts are resisted. (The damage caused by Quarter, Demi, and Lifeshaver may do more damage than the original magic bursts that cause them)

Level 55 Rage: Atomize
When an enemy is low on life, Atomos may draw them into oblivion.
* Enemies killed this way will not drop items, gil or grant experience.
* Atomos will produce a crystal or crystal cluster from the consumed enemy, and it will be placed in the Treasure Pool.
* Crystal element is based on the crystal the enemy would have dropped normally.

Level 70 Rage: Ravages of War
Atomos disgorges a series of weapons from the Crystal War at the target. Swords, spears, arrows in flight, and bombs cause multiple rapid physical attacks. Critical hits are accompanied by "ornate" weapons replacing the ordinary ones that fly out of Atomos' maw.

Level 75 Rage: Comet II
A distant comet is pulled directly out of space, past the atmosphere, to crash into the caster's target with an icy blast.
* Causes "Frost" damage over time effect.
* Elemental Magic (Non-elemental, or Ice?)

Level 99 Rage: Ravages of Time
Greatly reduces enemy's Accuracy, Evasion, Magic Accuracy, Magic Evasion, Attack Power, Movement Speed. In addition, it can inflict Blind, Slow, Bind, Gravity as separate effects.


Level 1 Ward: Memory Drain
Enemy is unable to use special attacks.

Level 32 Ward: Decelerate
Increase recast timers for all of your target's spells and abilities.
* This stops enemies from using TP moves until they have 300TP.
* Reduces TP gain from all actions. (Decelerating Weaponskill frequency)
* Adds the "Slow" status, but less potent than the Slow spell.
* Reduces movement speed. 12%

Level 68 Ward: Slow Motion
Reduces enemy attack speed.
* Not a form of slow. Does not impact TP returns.
* Also reduces enemy's chance for "extra" attacks such as double attack, triple attack and kick attack.

Level 99 Ward: Chronolock
AoE-Party
Prevent changes in speed for the duration.
* Duration of all haste/slow/gravity/quickening effects are paused for the duration of the Chronolock effect.
* No new speed spells will take effect.
* Can be manually removed.
* Can be used against enemies.

(I included tiers of Stardust and Comet, implying the possible addition of other time/space dimensional (Jikuu) magic that actually makes use of other tiers of those spells.)