[Suggestion] Atma: allows any WS to crit.

Pretty much what it says in the title

If SE was to give us an atma that allows any WS to crit normally it would prolly fix alot of balance issues.

myself i'm not too fussed about DD balance in abyssea cause imo DMG isn't that important this does seem like the easiest fix vs making other job overpowered outside so there decent inside.

I support all ideas from someone posting "meleewhm" as signature.

Or better yet, just remove the super duper crits make you awesome atma.

Or maybe just accept Abyssea as one aspect of the game and ask SE where the post-Abyssea content is.

Even if every job had a crit WS, who cares? You'd still lack procs which are the most important thing in Abyssea. PUP has Stringing Pummel and last I heard, no one is rushing to field PUPs at anything.

While we're at it, give me an en-death Atma. That'd fix balance issues and fix everything.

Selling a six pack of brews would also be neat.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Or better yet, just remove the super duper crits make you awesome atma.

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Wouldn't fix anything war, mnk, nin, blu, blm, whm will still be the most shouted for jobs or used jobs outside of lolexp. In xp just engaging the mob is enough to keep a party spot.

Asuran fists has no objections to this.

Victory Smite waves goodbye at Asuran fists, says it was nice knowing you

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

Asuran fists has no objections to this.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Victory Smite waves goodbye at Asuran fists, says it was nice knowing you

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Feels a bit breezy in here.

I know you're implying there's a "whoosh" there, but there's not. I fully understand what he's trying to say.

Why do we want an older, lower level weapon skill to be better than a newer, higher level one?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I know you're implying there's a "whoosh" there, but there's not. I fully understand what he's trying to say.

Why do we want an older, lower level weapon skill to be better than a newer, higher level one?

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Perhaps because Asuran doesn't just have a level but also a quest to acquire? I know Ascetic's does too but they aren't just "Gain X level, get Y WS".

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I know you're implying there's a "whoosh" there, but there's not. I fully understand what he's trying to say.

Why do we want an older, lower level weapon skill to be better than a newer, higher level one?

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Never said I wanted it. I said I'd have no objection

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Originally Posted by Tagrineth

Perhaps because Asuran doesn't just have a level but also a quest to acquire? I know Ascetic's does too but they aren't just "Gain X level, get Y WS".

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Well, EX weaponskills are actually "Equip this subjob" so I guess those should be stronger than quested ones also? Considering it is more restrictive!

In other words, more power to Cataclysm.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Or better yet, just remove the super duper crits make you awesome atma.

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(Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Why do we want an older, lower level weapon skill to be better than a newer, higher level one?

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Empyrean should always be better then relic.

I'm pretty sure there was still a whoosh.

Something about an 8 hit accuracy varies with TP WS that would be crit based.

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Originally Posted by Tagrineth

Perhaps because Asuran doesn't just have a level but also a quest to acquire? I know Ascetic's does too but they aren't just "Gain X level, get Y WS".

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yeah, getting victory smite is a walk in the park

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Empyrean should always be better then relic.

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This is truth. New high level gear should be better than stuff from 7 years ago. If it aint, there's a problem.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I know you're implying there's a "whoosh" there, but there's not. I fully understand what he's trying to say.

Why do we want an older, lower level weapon skill to be better than a newer, higher level one?

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like evis being better than rudra ?

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Originally Posted by Aeonk

This is a half-truth. New high level gear should be better than stuff from 7 years ago. If it aint, there's a problem.

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Fixed it and....

Well here you go, new high level gear that is better than stuff from "7 years ago".
New gear: Excalibur (90)
"7 years ago": Excalibur
Superior but easier to obtain new gear: Almace (90)

Other half of the truth: New high level gear that takes more time/effort to obtain should be better than new high level gear that doesn't. If it ain't, there's a problem.

Add helix spells to procs...that'd pee people off but would get me more a lot more invites :P. I kid of course.

Though I agree on giving more balance, why would somebody invite a SCH or RDM when BLM covers all those procs and when WHM can cure bomb better and has Light Proc? Why invite DRK, PLD, DRG or COR when WAR can cover all their red procs? Why invite SAM when NIN can do your red procs? Of course, more jobs could get invites for Blue Procs, as RNG covers a lot of piercing procs and DRK is the only one who can use Cross Reaper.

But I don't think the OP's suggestion is what'll do it...the answer I feel would just annoy a lot of people, because it'd mean adding more procs.

However, get yourself in a good Abyssea LS and you will find that actually other jobs are utilised, my group has me as a SCH or COR but not for procs. I'm usually thrown into the DD team to buff them and when SCH, buff and heal - one of the important buffs being regain. In my DD team there's often a SAM, whilst yes, a NIN could do Great Katana procs, but if you've got a team of 18 people, it actually saves time having another job ready with other weapon procs.

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Originally Posted by Rezeak

Pretty much what it says in the title

If SE was to give us an atma that allows any WS to crit normally it would prolly fix alot of balance issues.

myself i'm not too fussed about DD balance in abyssea cause imo DMG isn't that important this does seem like the easiest fix vs making other job overpowered outside so there decent inside.

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Won't happen because several Empyrean WS would become second fiddle to normal WS on the same job. e.g Asuran Fists would outperform Victory Smite, Cross Reaper and Guillotine would outperform Quietus, etc.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Won't happen because several Empyrean WS would become second fiddle to normal WS on the same job. e.g Asuran Fists would outperform Victory Smite, Cross Reaper and Guillotine would outperform Quietus, etc.

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why shouldn't the emp ws be outperformed?

I think they should just make _my_favorite_job_ deal more damage than _your_favorite_job_.

Seriously though, I wouldn't mind if they added a final, fourth lunar that was reserved for a JSA (Job-specific atma) that you had to unlock for each job. That way they could handle balance issues directly.

What happened to our mini community rep, is he not posting now? Only posts prior to epicwhoosh? I NEED ANSWERS

Even if they gave Asuran Fist a crit modifier it wouldnt be better. Look at Raging Rush and Ukko's Fury. Ukko out performs Raging Rush every single time, and Raging rush is 3 hit crit, and Ukko is 2 hit crit. Duh guys, theres a little something called stat modifier that is different. Ukko has 60 percent str mod, and Raging rush has 35 percent str mod. Look at Victory Smite and Ukko together. Ukko out performs Victory smite and its 2 hit vs 4 hit.

Something tells me Asuran wouldnt even come close to Victory Smite if they gave it crit anyways. Its modified way lower.

LOLOL you think 10 percent str 10 percent vit modified WS with crit 8 hits, gonna hit harder than 4 hit 60 percent str modified crit WS.

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Originally Posted by Alukat

why shouldn't the emp ws be outperformed?

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Because the whole point of making the damn weapon was to use those weaponskills!? (Except Camlann's Torment and a few others which Camate won't respond to me about even though he addresses relic owner's concerns.)

yes VS> crited asu
- with triple attack VS can hit 8 times
- the asurean build "loose" one atma in order to get the crit ws one

the winner of a crit WS atma are no crit, not elemental empy WS.
penta also.

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Look at Raging Rush and Ukko's Fury. Ukko out performs Raging Rush every single time, and Raging rush is 3 hit crit, and Ukko is 2 hit crit. Duh guys, theres a little something called stat modifier that is different.

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This is about the most horrible example you could have ever thought of.

You know what additional hits do, right? Each hit that is not the main/first one adds 1 FTP to your ws.

Ukko's first hit has 2.0 ftp

Raging rush's first hit has 1.0 ftp

Ukko + 2nd hit = 3.0 ftp
Raging + 2 hits = 3.0 ftp

The only diff here is the stat mod, while raging is 3 hits, that means nothing because ukko's gets higher ftp lol.

Since hits pretty much just serve the purpose of adding 1 ftp, you basically compared a 3 hit ws w/ a 35% mod to a 3 hit ws w/ a 60% mod.

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Look at Victory Smite and Ukko together. Ukko out performs Victory smite and its 2 hit vs 4 hit.

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Gax has much higher DMG rating, gets a ton more attack being a 2hander, war gets better ws gear, lol. Hello to captain obvious. 2 hit vs 4hit has nothing to do with that, either.

Not only that, but WAR has native +5% crit damage bonus + another +10% on the +2 feet... pretty sure Tantra gear lacks any crit damage mods. Can't forget higher DA rates too.


Silly thread is silly. Abyssea is over anyway.

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Originally Posted by Malacite

Not only that, but WAR has native +5% crit damage bonus + another +10% on the +2 feet... pretty sure Tantra gear lacks any crit damage mods. Can't forget higher DA rates too.


Silly thread is silly. Abyssea is over anyway.

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Its over like sky, sea, limbus, dynamis, nysul, was over when they were done releasing them or omg released new content. Don't know if you notice why would we leave abyssea to level past 90 no reason to, people will still need gear from the event. Unless they change the way exp works in abyssea, we are not going to leave it for exp to fight over the couple of good camps that will surport one 6 man party each. Even some of these oler events are getting revamps.