You should probably review the definition of "literally," as this word cannot be used to exaggerate given its meaning. In fact most people make poor use of it, because it only has real meaningful use in contrasting with "figuratively."Quote:
Originally Posted by Catmato
Development Team Downsizing and Justification Makes no Sense
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06-09-2023, 02:08 AMAlhanelem
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06-10-2023, 11:28 PMCatmatoSee definition 2, unless you know more than Merriam-Webster?Quote:
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06-14-2023, 08:54 PMPixela
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...6-Yoshi-P-lied
True, and also heavily impacted 11 too. -
06-15-2023, 03:07 AMAlhanelem
I dsagree with just about every point in that post. I've had something to do in every patch this expansion and I entirely disagree with the notion that there's been less content.
Just for fun, I'll address them, since I can't post there.
This is technically true, yes, but they don't release these every day so I don't see the problemQuote:
-Ultimates only cater to an extreme minority of the population (something like sub-1% of players and we are all aware how much cheating is used in that subset anyway)
Flat out false, as it had both a casual and a ranked mode from the start. The reason you can't queue with others is becuase of the inherent gameplay advantage of premades against randoms. There are custom modes for those who want to play with a bunch of friends.Quote:
-Crystalline Conflict was a cool attempt to revive PvP, but their refusal to add a casual mode or ranked mode where you can queue with friends has already resulted in this being dead too.
Subjective. "garbage" is nonsense. Amazing? no.Quote:
-Criterion dungeons were a massive lazy flop with garbage rewards.
Blatantly false as BLU was just updated. Aside from this, no one wants more limited jobs so this is a good thing. Key word "limited." People want full jobs, not limited jobs.Quote:
-They've done nothing with BLU nor added other limited jobs.
the whole point of these quest lines was to put people back in the queue for existing contents so that people who NEED to do them can still clear them. (And most players in FFXIV are not nearly as tolerant of long grinds as we are in FFXI)Quote:
-The relics have been the laziest they've ever done. Whether you enjoy this step or not I'm sure you can agree on that. You can finish each step in a single day for MULTIPLE jobs and all you do is roulettes, nothing new.
Full stop disagree. I'd say random NMs appearing in your path that one or two-shot you constitutes a "surprise." And I'm really confused here, because HoH did not add any summon pomanders, while EO in fact did. Did this guy even play the content?Quote:
-The new deep dungeon while appreciated isn't anything special. HoH changed the formula from PotD up a bit but EO is just a carbon copy of the two more or less. There's some new pomanders and new random enemies, that's it. No surprises. HoH added massive stadium rooms full of enemies and the special summon pomanders at least, what did EO add? Nothing.
We can debate how fun or interesting one thinks this content is, but content is content, and the original point of the post was to illustrate a supposed lack of content. So far we've talked about several major new contents. Not liking them all doesn't make them not new content.Quote:
-Island Sanctuary while cute has been really shallow in what it actually delivers in terms of content. It's just a lazy boring daily grind when you boil it down.
False. If anything the new MSQ story is longer than most of the previous, and you can be 100% sure that in a year or two newer players are actually going to complain about how long it is.Quote:
-The MSQ bits have all been incredibly short, padded by forcing the patch cycle trials into the MSQ when they were side quests in every other expansion after ARR.
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06-15-2023, 11:04 AMCatmato
Are you lost? This is the FFXI forum, not FFXIV. Just because you're banned from the FFXIV side, doesn't mean you should just makes walls of text about it here.
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06-15-2023, 11:55 AMAlhanelemPixela referenced it, I'm just reacting. If you have such a big problem with it, you don't have to respond to it.Quote:
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The ultimate point was that he thinks that FFXVI's development is taking away from both games, and I quite frankly don't see the evidence of that. -
06-15-2023, 01:42 PMBobbinTAs another active player, and being legacy in boot: I can say for certain that the poster over FF14 OF are just one sided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pixela
Just to sum it up: There are literally LOADS of content from 2.x to 5.x. And as an achievement hunter myself, I still found more & more of them left to be done, personally kinda thank Yoshi-P to slow things down for 6.x, even that doesn't really help much with loads of stuff over achievement menu that I wanna get it done.
Posts like that usually just cater for content they only wanna do & forgot that achievement menu exist. Just like when FF11 free login came up each time, I would mostly dedicate my time to grind on RoEs, trying to get over that 999+ done since there's special quest to unlock behind it, not something I can quickly finish on top of other needs like CPing/Mlvling for example.
and to address each point:
It is true that it probably caters toward that extreme minority, but it does proves that Yoshi-P listen & care even for that minority. He's even sad when finding out that cheats btw.Quote:
-Ultimates only cater to an extreme minority of the population (something like sub-1% of players and we are all aware how much cheating is used in that subset anyway)
It also does introduce series rewards that I find highly incentive even to ppl who never really like PvP (me for example) since they do fork interesting rewards like glamour/minion/fashion/songs/mount albeit recoloured version from previous ones, which does crave my achievement hunter needs.Quote:
-Crystalline Conflict was a cool attempt to revive PvP, but their refusal to add a casual mode or ranked mode where you can queue with friends has already resulted in this being dead too.
& how does FF11's monstrosity for example? Maybe it flopped, but it's still interesting content (& so does criterion dungeon), which I would try given that I have more free time that is.Quote:
-Criterion dungeons were a massive lazy flop with garbage rewards.
The poster is from 3 months away. There's gonna be another BLU content added on patch 6.45.Quote:
-They've done nothing with BLU nor added other limited jobs.
Try doing & completing all relics, coz I did do them all. & again, rly thankful that grind this expac are much lenient. Highly doubt the poster even care to do past relics, otherwise he wouldn't blatantly saying those like an idiot.Quote:
-The relics have been the laziest they've ever done. Whether you enjoy this step or not I'm sure you can agree on that. You can finish each step in a single day for MULTIPLE jobs and all you do is roulettes, nothing new.
Again, highly doubt he even invest time doing any of them, not that I can prove it since he locked his achievement page on lodestone to at least back up his claims.Quote:
-The new deep dungeon while appreciated isn't anything special. HoH changed the formula from PotD up a bit but EO is just a carbon copy of the two more or less. There's some new pomanders and new random enemies, that's it. No surprises. HoH added massive stadium rooms full of enemies and the special summon pomanders at least, what did EO add? Nothing.
Yoshi-P did say the content being escapist, & I love it, just as I love FF11's Mog Garden despite being miniature version of it. And now with current 6.4 update which lets players to use housing furnitures on islands, imagination can go really wild!Quote:
-Island Sanctuary while cute has been really shallow in what it actually delivers in terms of content. It's just a lazy boring daily grind when you boil it down.
MSQ content for post x.0 patches so far still consistent & gives interesting stories. Again seriously doubt poster even enjoying this, he probably even skipped CS. And so does sidequests, there's nothing wrong with it.Quote:
-The MSQ bits have all been incredibly short, padded by forcing the patch cycle trials into the MSQ when they were side quests in every other expansion after ARR.
If poster bored & didn't even cared on other content FF14 has, there's huge loads of game libraries he can feast upon, even Yoshi-P did state that he slowed things down on 6.x so that subscribers can enjoy other products or even have more time with IRL stuff. Heck... he even came to latest PLL while playing Zelda TotK! & that game is huuuge! If I could even multi-task games, I really would! But I'm only human, have very limited stamina, hence another thing I'm being thankful to Yoshi-P to actually listen to my plea to slow things down & ignore dumb post like that still cries lacking content while totally blind on everything else.
One last thing:
Ever consider other players especially those who just starting FF11 & find buttload of content it has, which he/she probably never finished in their entire life? Or is that opinion is just being selfish? You want to have FF11 to kept forking buttloads of content without consideration that rest of players being too overwhelmed & probably even scaring others to think to even try FF11 in 1st place?Quote:
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06-15-2023, 02:45 PMAlhanelem
deep dungeon is one of the key things keeping me playing so I can say with confidence they have no idea w hat they're talking about, especially since they can't even get the terminology right :p
You're talking to someone who bashes SE's other projects on a regular basis because anything they're working on that isn't FFXI is taking away from or damaging FFXI. As if SE isn't allowed to have more than one project in their portfolio....Quote:
Ever consider other players especially those who just starting FF11 & find buttload of content it has, which he/she probably never finished in their entire life? Or is that opinion is just being selfish? You want to have FF11 to kept forking buttloads of content without consideration that rest of players being too overwhelmed & probably even scaring others to think to even try FF11 in 1st place?
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06-15-2023, 05:24 PMPixela
The point they are making is that Yoshi P said ff16 would not impact ff14 and ff11 development and it very much did, and will continue to do so after release because they still need to amke the pc port.
A lot of the core people are no longer free to work on the games they were employed to work on because they are working on 16, a lot of the testing teams can't test new content for 11 and 14 because they are busy with 16.
He flat out lied, because he knew 11 and 14 players can be treated poorly and they won't leave. HE also knew that any problems can be offset by adding a new $30 mount to the cash shop. -
06-15-2023, 05:57 PMAlhanelemIt very much didn't, as you see above I refuted most of the points made. Of course it's a fairly old post and the stuff he says we didn't have had since been added.Quote:
The point they are making is that Yoshi P said ff16 would not impact ff14 and ff11 development and it very much did,
There has been just as much content in all the Endwalker patches as there has been for every previous expansion, any claim to the contrary is absolute hogwash. As for FFXI, the writing was on the wall before anyone even started talking about FFXVI. You can't take away resources that it never had to begin with.
And from now on, unless you play FFXIV, don't waste your time quoting people from its forums, half of them don't know what they're talking about any more than you do. -
06-15-2023, 10:29 PMSp1cyryanStop crying about the fact that the world moves on, plans change, and that XI is not getting attention. Stop making up the narrative on everything external to the matter as if XI is just being held back by circumstantial decisions on other FF titles. It's not, and you constantly just spew nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pixela
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06-16-2023, 12:11 AMPixelaI'm paying for a service and I'm getting less for my money because the people running the division are asshats making braindead decisions and taking 11 and 14 players for granted, they are even alienating ff14 players in large numbers as seen in that thread with hundreds of likes. We all know what they are doing and there is nothing we can do about it but we are allowed to complain about it at the very least.Quote:
Stop crying about the fact that the world moves on, plans change, and that XI is not getting attention. Stop making up the narrative on everything external to the matter as if XI is just being held back by circumstantial decisions on other FF titles. It's not, and you constantly just spew nonsense.
They just released a much wanted mount on 14 that should of been a content drop as a $30 cash shop, after reducing content additions to help pay for the money being wasted on 16 again. They keep doing it cause they know people will just put up with it.
Alhanelem is a yoshiP fanboy, I know what he is and accept him as that and expect nothing else. You however are just a tit lately. -
06-16-2023, 02:41 AMSp1cyryanBuild a bridge and get over it. The world doesn't revolve around FFXI. Stop blaming everything on anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pixela
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06-16-2023, 02:48 AMAlhanelem
I'm not a yoshi P fanboy lol I could really not care less. I'm just calling out falsehoods as such. You say so much BS about FFXIV and you don't even play the *##$ game so you have no idea what you're talking about. I mean really, if I'm a YoshiP fanboy, what does that make you, being 100% intolerant of anything that you even PERCIEVE as affecting FFXI in a negative way? the hilarity of being called a fanboy by someone like you, lol.
There has not been less content this expansion. It's really as simple as that. Some weirdo on a forum not liking XYZ content does not make it "not content." And they have every right to sell whatever they want on their stupid little cash shop. -
06-16-2023, 03:22 AMPixela
I am 10000% a FFXI fanboy and if you were a FFXIV fanboy I could understand that just fine, but being a fanboy of a developer and defending them when they are obviously shortchanging your game to build up some other game (ff16) is absolutely pathetic and yes you are a YoshiP fanboy. He could punch you in the face and you would instinctively say thank you and look for a fly he must of been swatting away.
If I cared about 14 as much as I care about 11 I would be even more annoyed, cause it makes even more money for the company and they are treating it poorly too.
Longer and longer gaps between updates, less content being added, more cash shop pap being added, increased prices of cash shop pap, lower quality ingame rewards to sell the cash shop ones.
As far as the places I post about it, yes it does.Quote:
Build a bridge and get over it. The world doesn't revolve around FFXI.
I and many other people know exactly what the person in charge is doing, they are using the resources that could be used for 11 and 14 and putting them into 16 and if there are any financial problems because of it we get to bail them out either with more and more cash shop pap at higher and higher prices or lowered budget (both of these have already happened to both games)
All ff11 and ff14 players hould be outraged they had the MMO division make 16, because it was done for low down dirty reasons. And those reasons are as I said, if it flops we can cover the costs form the mmorpgs.
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06-16-2023, 09:18 AMImmortal
Hes honestly just deflecting, if anyone would want to complain about that this would def be the place. Who is he to say you can't post your opinion about that here? lol. I think he is the one that needs to get over things.
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06-16-2023, 12:19 PMAlhanelemSeriously, get over yourself. FF14 does not have less content this expansion, the post you cited is absolutely full of Bull to the S, and FFXI support was winding down before FF16 development even started.Quote:
All ff11 and ff14 players hould be outraged they had the MMO division make 16, because it was done for low down dirty reasons. And those reasons are as I said, if it flops we can cover the costs form the mmorpgs.
No. Even with the disagreements we have, I can safely say Pixela is oceans more full of it than literally anyone else on this forum. He is literally just jumping on everything he can find to crap on SE for supposedly ruining FFXI, even if it has no basis in reality or truth whatsoever, as is the case here. He really does need to get over it. Nothing can change the past, if he hates SE so much he should stop giving them money, it really is that simple, and not rain on everyone else's parade for not hating them as much as he does for supposedly ruining his entire livelyhood.Quote:
Hes honestly just deflecting, if anyone would want to complain about that this would def be the place. Who is he to say you can't post your opinion about that here? lol. I think he is the one that needs to get over things.
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06-16-2023, 12:50 PMBobbinTguess my status as legacy player AKA FF14's 1.0 would ticks u even more, eh... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Pixela
Anyhoo... as part of FF14 player base, we majority don't feel being alienated, in fact hugely grateful since Yoshi-P actually does more & beyond his call of duty. That legendary Maidy (who already passed away quite recently) which creates the franchise Dad of Light are one major proof how deep he connects with his player base. Heck... us player base has been continously praising him, one of which when alot youtube content creator made this huge community song (even invite one of official singer to take part as well). He even couldn't hold his cries for instance when Soken, FF14 main composer, announced his battle with cancer on live announcement. Don't forget that he does the impossible of saving FF franchise by reviving failure of 1.0 into astounding success of Realm Reborn with only a year (or even less), granted that he does have to recycled assets from other FF franchise, but it works!
Those you probably saw complains over OF are just very minority of them, & probably totally oblivious of ingame feature called Achievements, or in FF11's case: Records of Eminence, even that one gave more like gil income for new & casual players who aren't keen with AH market juggling for example.
Get your fact straight before making biased view on Yoshi-P or FF14 player base, again... this is a legacy player who never stop playing FF14 since 2.0 relaunch, with only occasional semi-hiatus when FF11's free login campaign arrives (semi as still doing weekly stuff over FF14 ASAP so that I can focus more on my limited free time on FF11).
oh & btw... community response to FF16 actually very positive from various tweets pinged on my mobile. Yoshi-P been doing this at least since FF14's Shadowbringers, making us felt less expected & only got totally blown away with awe when it actually releases. And he really mean it, some of player base even got emotionally touched, something majority of us didn't even expect just from trailers & various demos. That's how Yoshi-P does, even FF16 already starts making ppl awed already on that playable demo. -
06-16-2023, 04:05 PMPixelaTo be clear I wasn't talking about he massive wealth of new cash shop content.Quote:
Seriously, get over yourself. FF14 does not have less content this expansion, the post you cited is absolutely full of Bull to the S, and FFXI support was winding down before FF16 development even started.
FF16 should of never been allowed to be made by the MMMORPG division, that's all there is and you defending it says it all about you. -
06-16-2023, 04:16 PMAlhanelemAnd neither was I. But there is nothing massive about the new cash shop content. In fact that has probably seen the least updates this expansion compared to any previous.Quote:
To be clear I wasn't talking about he massive wealth of new cash shop content.
It's obvious to me that you simply believe whatever you want to believe. You certainly can do that, but believing doesn't make something true. Now I could take this in a certain and likely unpleasant direction, but I won't do that because that's not who I am and I also don't want to be judged based on what I'm really wanting to say right now. So I won't. -
06-16-2023, 05:05 PMPixela
It's disgusting how Square Enix treats their most successful games, Blizzard is bad but SE are looking up at them with stars in their eyes.
With people like you cheering them on, how could they not. -
06-16-2023, 07:15 PMGwydionWhy would you come to a forum for people who enjoy a thing and yell at them for it? Especially for expressing their concerns for the thing they enjoy and still currently pay for, may become stagnant in the near future?Quote:
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06-16-2023, 09:31 PMSp1cyryanAll he does is whine about other Final Fantasy titles. Why come to an XI board and constantly go on about any other FF game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gwydion
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06-17-2023, 05:24 AMImmortal
Why do you care what he goes on about? "Get over it!" Like seriously, are you trying to increase your post count or something? This place barely sees movement except for the same 3 people lol
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06-17-2023, 11:37 AMAlhanelemIt's not your/i/our faults that there's no one else here to talk to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Immortal
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06-17-2023, 05:38 PMPixelaIm talking about things related to XI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan
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06-17-2023, 05:41 PMAlhanelemYou're really not. None of this is related to FFXI at all, you just think / want to believe that it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pixela
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06-17-2023, 05:51 PMPixela
Yes I am though, directly related to XI. When I talk about 16 it is in relation to XI, when I talk about reddit or discord it's in relation to XI communities that use them.
Come on, you're not this dense. -
06-17-2023, 06:50 PMAlhanelemThe relation is all in your mind, there is no relation between 16 and XI, you are just manufacturing reasons to hate on it for a imagined connection that doesn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pixela
I'm not dense at all. Yes, I know you're posting about this stuff because you personally believe there is a link and therefore it is relevant. I'm here to tell you, as I have been telling you, that all this crap about FFXVI somehow impacting FFXI (and thus by your logic being relevant to discuss here), is 100% BS. -
06-17-2023, 07:02 PMPixela
If you have 100 people and pay them to build a wall, then ask them to also build you a a hundred showers too the wall is either going to take longer to build or will be built to a lower standards.
You cannot take a finite resource of human staff and split it without damaging the primary goals.
There is no argument here, you know what I'm saying is correct and that 16 is hurting 14 and 11 but you are a YoshiP fanboy and so you must defend. No matter how weak your argument, you must make one.
They took a division that only made mmorpg content, and now are making a massive title that is starving everything else.
I have every right to be mad, every 11 fan has every right to be mad and so does every ff14 fan.
They are short changing us because they have made a calculation we will just put up with it and keep paying, they are mostly correct but Blizzard are learning there is still a cost to doing this. They will put up with it, but they won't like you for doing it to them and one day you'll need all your fanbase to stand up for you in your darkest hour and they won't be there. -
06-17-2023, 07:08 PMPixela
Here is the factual reality of FF4 and FF11.
If the management told YoshiP "no you cannot make ff16" he would of put all his developers efforts into making FF14 and FF11 as good as they can be in every way possible, they would get all the sprinkles, they would get all the efforts of the entire division.
However because he was told yes you can make ff16 we do not get all the sprinkles, and worse than that because ff16 is not doing so well we get punished for it too.
In a perfect world I would love that they are making ff16, we don't live in a perfect world. We get less becasue they are making it and we get punished if it flops, and we also get punished if it does well (cause they will be making ff17 then too) -
06-17-2023, 10:17 PMCatmatoI disagree.Quote:
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06-18-2023, 01:28 PMAlhanelemSE has multiple devleopment teams working on multiple projects. I'm not suggesting resources are infinite but a big company like SE is more than capable of managing a significant number of people workng on multiple projects.Quote:
If you have 100 people and pay them to build a wall, then ask them to also build you a a hundred showers too the wall is either going to take longer to build or will be built to a lower standards.
You know how i keep mentioning creative business unit 3? three is a number. There is more than one unit. There is more than one facility with more than one team working at it. They can ABSOLUTELY make multiple games at the same time without compromising any one of them.""
Also one thing you might notice if you watch FFXIV's multiple hour long credit rolls, is they contracted with DOZENS of third party companies providing various middleware, tools, and other development support. This means that not everyone who works on any of these games is a SE employee, and they can do a lot more without a ridiculously massive staff.
You know, why can't you channel your supposed passion for FFXI into talking about FFXI itself, how much you love it, and all sorts of more positive things instead of moaning and crying (to use forum-appropriate terms) about everything NOT FFXI? -
07-08-2023, 02:19 AMMonsuta_Man
Us as players attempt to rationalize dev decisions. However, it is important to understand their words, or Jargon.
"Using jargon makes your communication more specific."
When they use "Limitations" or "Coding" it means they have no plans to do what you are asking. Before it was PS2 limitations, now those limitations are attached to the code.
Devs are only limited by what they are willing to spend, on what they are willing to do.
They are not willing to spend much on XI, because they actually killed it off when it was the most profitable title in the series. If that is not saying "Screw XI" I don't know what is.....
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07-08-2023, 05:55 AMAlhanelemwell it's like I said. The devs assigned to the project would probably love to make everyone's dreams come true. But the guys at SE who hold the coin purses aren't about to invest in it without some evidence that it will be worth the cost.Quote:
Devs are only limited by what they are willing to spend, on what they are willing to do.
Yeah, im not saying you shouldn't post about this stuff, I"m just being realistic when I say things like "its not gonna happen." :p Like you and everyone else here I'd love to see new stuff, a remaster, new UI, and a pretty long list of other things. =\Quote:
....Still won't stop me from asking for stuff lol.