Yet you are here reading the forums on page 31 too and commenting. Seriously, get over yourself.
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@ Tsukino - yes I did need to get some sleep. Had an old LS Mate that used to call me that...brings back memories of good times. Gotta grab some food and get settled in before I start trying to sift through some news feeds to see what all has been going on again.
Thanks for the updates on progress guys. Good to know some more companies are stepping up the efforts. There was a post in SE's original notices that kind of puts things in a little more perspective--we lost contact with the the creator of the Kiske series for a few days, but internet has been restored but things are pretty rough. If you haven't seen the videos, they are very well done. Should check them out:
http://www.youtube.com/user/sasayaneko
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Okay, i may get flamed for this one....
Anyone who has played this game for a long time knows that we've gotten more direct feedback from SE since the earthquake than we got in the first 6-7 years of the game.
I'm waiting patiently, and not bitching. Cause i know if i was a DEV or a MOD living in Japan, even if i was in a totally safe part of the country, there's a very good chance that I lost family. Trying to deal with the ongoing issues and missing/dead loved ones then getting pounded with pounded with "When can i has game?" doesn't exactly inspire one to give 110% at work IMO.
For those saying "Yeah, but it's their job, they should deal with it" maybe, but I'm willing to bet everyone here has had a bad day at work because of something silly where you really just didn't wanna be there and didn't care about your job much that day. No imagine that Mother Earth decided to take three big shits in your corn flakes and imagine how much you'd give a damn at work. I know how i'd react.... "You want an update? I want my mother back dickhead, fuck this, i'm gonna go smoke"
tl:dr Remember Devs/Mods are people dealing with a lot right now, if any of them still have missing loved ones then understand that might be a little more important than getting us regular updates on the situation, and do try to be understanding about it.
@ Barabas
Hehe.. Raisin Bran Crunch here. No crapping in my bowl this morning... at least... I think those are still raisins. And, come to think of it.... my juice does have... a little wang to it. GDI that Newbomb Turk must be up to his old Hollywood Nights pranks again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMiPjnNF7Dc
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Classic cheezy movie if you haven't seen it. More clips on youtube from it:
http://www.google.com/search?q=holly...2&ved=0CDgQqwQ
Probably, just not by me. I am going to point out some flaws in your logic though.Quote:
Okay, i may get flamed for this one....
Exactly, how can you even think of defending a company like that? Sure they got a new development team working on FFXI and they are great, finally listening to there customers. But the top execs at the top haven't changed so overall SE still has the my way or no way attitude that still smacks there most loyal fans in the face.Quote:
Anyone who has played this game for a long time knows that we've gotten more direct feedback from SE since the earthquake than we got in the first 6-7 years of the game.
Good for you, so am I but still SE has always put there most loyal fans last in every decision that they make. This tragedy is no excuse for continuing to do so. Also remember we are not talking about employees, we are talking about the people that run the company. If they still want to have there stock worth something a bad day is no excuse for just dropping all there responsibilities. Use this forum as an example, there are still employees monitoring this and even threatening still to hit people with the ban stick (they must dual wield kraken clubs for that) for typing something here that doesn't make them happy. Why if they have time for that can they not even give an update? Please explain that. I mean look, it was players that even posted anything here about the suspension extension. SE didn't even bother to put it here or on the main PoL page. Your are a second thought to them no matter how you slice it and if you want to keep making excuses for there piss poor business practices then so be it.Quote:
I'm waiting patiently, and not bitching. Cause i know if i was a DEV or a MOD living in Japan, even if i was in a totally safe part of the country, there's a very good chance that I lost family. Trying to deal with the ongoing issues and missing/dead loved ones then getting pounded with pounded with "When can i has game?" doesn't exactly inspire one to give 110% at work IMO.
For those saying "Yeah, but it's their job, they should deal with it" maybe, but I'm willing to bet everyone here has had a bad day at work because of something silly where you really just didn't wanna be there and didn't care about your job much that day. No imagine that Mother Earth decided to take three big shits in your corn flakes and imagine how much you'd give a damn at work. I know how i'd react.... "You want an update? I want my mother back dickhead, fuck this, i'm gonna go smoke"
tl:dr Remember Devs/Mods are people dealing with a lot right now, if any of them still have missing loved ones then understand that might be a little more important than getting us regular updates on the situation, and do try to be understanding about it.
Like I said earlier I don't care that the servers are down, Im playing FFXI now anyways. I just care how they treat there most loayl customers like crap and care even more that the customers always bend over backwards to make excuses for the company that abuses them.
RAIST thank you for that info, CNN sucks with new News they like to give you 30 sec of news then move to something else Kinda isnt what i want/need from a news station so tyvm for that info
I've been getting a constant feed from http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/
Sorry, but I have to respond to this. These forums are a seperate animal from the FFXI team. It is an independant department all together. Think of it like the GM's in game. They have a very limited set of tools to effect a limited set of issues--the GM's scope being to assist players with certain technical issue with gameplay, and documenting abuses and a set of specific actions to take for specific violations, all else is directed to the DEV team/Task Force, or you are pointed to the support portal to pursue the matter. The mods here only work in the scope of these forums, again with a set list of rules/responses to affect activities in the forums. If they find something that meets the criteria laid out by the Administration, it is forwarded to the DEV team. Likewise, if it meets the criteria to be considered a violation of forum rules, the prescribed response is used (locked thread, deleted post, bans, all with the standard email response). They do not have a direct line of communication to request information from higher ups like the CEO's...it has to filter up/down the chain of command just like with any other support organization. At many cases, the best they may be able to do contact the administrative assistant of a higher up and leave a message and wait for a response. This is just how things work an a large administration. For example, the Governer of a State doesn't have a direct line of communication to the President/Vice President--they have to go through the proper channels and wait for a response.Quote:
Use this forum as an example, there are still employees monitoring this and even threatening still to hit people with the ban stick (they must dual wield kraken clubs for that) for typing something here that doesn't make them happy. Why if they have time for that can they not even give an update? Please explain that. I mean look, it was players that even posted anything here about the suspension extension. SE didn't even bother to put it here or on the main PoL page.
Second, the updates WERE in fact posted at the POL sight. It went up there the same time it showed up here--and it was posted by someone from the Community Team (ie the Moderators). I know, because I looked. I am guessing you weren't watching for it in the right places. This information is ALWAYS posted in the INFORMATION section. The UPDATE details always get posted on the front page, but issues concerning outages, maintenance schedules, etc. have always been posted in the INFORMATION section of the site. Scroll down and look in the lower left corner of the panel for the link.
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@Raist
I know, in the post you quoted me on I even stated there is a difference between employees and people that run the company. Pointing this out is irrelevant. The fact is the "Higher ups" would rather ban people then to give a common update on the situation. I.E. One post a person ask for an update and the second a person says something against the communist machine that is SE. A mod here reads both and forwards them UP the chain. Which one do they act on? Well
Im betting the person would be banned immediately and you would have to search thru the information section to find out any info about the update whenever they feel like releasing it. SE always will side with showing there power over giving a player what they ask for no matter how simple the request may be.
And I know everything in your second point also, The point I was making again is that they do not care about players enough to post it on the main page or here. No you have to go to there main page and click information constantly only to get the most generic statement possible. Even though there are people here nicely asking for an update they couldn't even copy that useless statement here.
So I still stand by what I said even conceding that everything you said is true.
oh god -.- its sad how many people do not know how big companies work... the mods here dont send anythign "up the chain" they have been given a job here and that is to mod the forums, that includes banning.
Again the mod's job here, is to do nothing but moderate the forums, they don't get internal messages from SE unless it pertains to them, and same goes for any news update. They also don't go high enough in the "chain" to even contact someone that would know any info (aka someone in Japan at HQ)
Oh jesus where do all you SE cheerleaders come from.
Either dam way, weather they pass something up the chain to the higher ups or the higher ups have standing orders it is very clear that SE higher ups value there power more then they value anything important to the players. Which is the point.
So way to argue a irrelevant part of the post to once again try and defend the company that doesn't give a shit about you.
um... no. They have been given a set of guidelines to follow. If x is true, then response=y. X may be as specific or vague as however they see fit--use of any inflammatory language, or maybe excessive use of inflammatory language--or even just use of the N word, who knows. But they do have a set of rules posted. Their version used for moderation may be more specific though for the whole CYA routine.Quote:
A mod here reads both and forwards them UP the chain.
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eh.. not a whole lot of useful information floating about involving Japan atm. Whacky Gaddafi had to reclaim focus of the media again I guess. Found a few tidbits, but you guysw likely already saw this stuff in other news feeds:
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Tokyo tomorrow, blackouts cancelled, trains running on holiday (JR) or reduced schedules.
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TEPCO: 6 emergency ops workers at #Fukushima nuke plant exposed to 100 millisieverts of radiation but showing no ill effects.
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Kyodo: Gov't says radioactive iodine beyond limit detected in tap water in Fukushima.
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Max radiation detected from fireman = 27msvh (1), 14-5msvh (3) under 10msvh (45) all w/in max limit.
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Radioactive substances found in water of 6 prefectures including Tokyo but no health risk says Education Ministry: Kyodo
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Oh jesus where do all you SE cheerleaders come from.
not a cheerleader, just willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt before I proclaim them to be the Dark Empire.
Raist
So the blackouts have been canceled how many times now? Does that mean the time they gave may actually be a reasonable time to come up?
LOL you are truly retarded, Im very proud of you that you know how corporate world works. Heres your cookie.
I don't refuse to accept anything, I used a stupid example to show how SE feels about 2 different situations and you argue that the stupid example had some parts that had nothing to do with the point were incorrect.
Well you did it, you convinced me of your corporate knowledge, BIG THUMBS UP. I hope you sleep better tonight knowing that you conquered the world with your corporate prowess.
Again, bottom line is that SE higher ups care more about banning then they do about anything a player ask for no matter how easy that request would be.Quote:
um... no. They have been given a set of guidelines to follow. If x is true, then response=y. X may be as specific or vague as however they see fit--use of any inflammatory language, or maybe excessive use of inflammatory language--or even just use of the N word, who knows. But they do have a set of rules posted. Their version used for moderation may be more specific though for the whole CYA routine.
Raist
What your describing here are pretty much standing orders, they are a must otherwise admins here could ban at will. So its true that the higher ups still say who is banned and for what reasons. So the point still stands that they care more about there banning power then anything related to there lowly players.
Both of your are arguing the most insignificant part of a hypothetical statement I wrote just to show that SE cares more about there power then there players (customers).
CEO's usually don't deal with such mundane tasks as the design of a User Forum. That's usually relegated to the department heads. President of our company just told our project manager to come up with something for our clients to submit bug reports through our website--we wound up writing a whole service request application. Once he saw it demoed, he wanted to market it and we sold it to customers--mostly government offices. @yourrequest.
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Radiation readings release, and situation is improving. Areas close to the reactors have seen drops as high as 500 points since last night. Areas to the south have seen drops of 25-50 points, some reporting more "normal" levels now. They haven't graphed out the most recent figures yet, but they may show up soon here:
http://fleep.com/earthquake/
There is a table being updated periodically showing Gamma readings in southern Ibaraki, near Lake Hinuma if anyone is interested:
http://www.houshasen-pref-ibaraki.jp.../result01.html (Japanese)
http://translate.google.com/translat.../result01.html
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Tepco To Raise Generating Capacity 20% By April-End
This article has me split, and having no idea how this will affect Square-Enix in the next week/months.Quote:
TOKYO (Nikkei)--Tokyo Electric Power Co. (9501) said Saturday that it will bring onstream by the end of April two fossil-fuel power plants halted by the March 11 earthquake, lifting its capacity 20%.
Tepco will resume operations at its Higashi Ogishima plant, powered by liquified natural gas, in Kanagawa Prefecture by the end of March and at its oil-powered Kashima plant in Ibaraki Prefecture next month.
By also boosting utilization rates at other fossil-fuel plants, the utility plans to increase its overall output to 42 million kilowatts by the end of April. This amounts to about 70% of its pre-quake level.
Tepco has a number of fossil-fuel plants that went out of commission after the quake, including ones in Fukushima and Ibaraki prefectures. If the two resume operations, the firm's total capacity will rise some 6 million kilowatts.
The utility says it is not certain whether all plants will be up and running by the summer peak season.
Additionally, Tepco will raise utilization rates at currently operating plants by shortening inspection periods. It is also acquiring gas turbine power generation systems to ease the electricity shortage.
The company generally needs to supply 50 million kilowatts of power to meet demand in winter and 55-60 million kilowatts this summer.
Projecting a protracted power shortage, Tepco says rolling blackouts will be inevitable in Tokyo's 20 wards, excluding central business and office districts, in summer.
Hmm if there is going to be an extended outage SE might just decide to wind up their online offerings. FFXI is heading to the end of its life and the FFXIV has turned out to be a lot less successful than hoped. With the massive investment in FFXIV for little return I would imagine the upper management will be rethinking their desire to stay in the MMORPG market. I guess it had to happen eventually but it would be nice if we could have had one last party in Jeuno.
I will miss it but it will probably be good for me in the long run lol. I'm going to nip out and see what the real world looks like :-).
Regarding the above... I don't think they will let XI or XIV die like that.
Honestly a laughable idea. This situation is something never before seen, and whoever is crying about moving servers should just look at the magnitude of the carnage cause by not only the earthquake, but in most part by the massive tsunami.
I am glad to see most people have been understanding and supportive. I don't mind even if I have to wait a week or two more, even a month. There are some people out there who will never get to play any game again, and not of their own accord, mind you.
[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.] How many times does someone need to tell people there was a major disaster in Japan. The electric company ASKED businesses to not use power so that power could go to something useful like hospitals and people without power!!! SE's servers aren't damaged...they're shut off. They're not bringing them back up til they get the ok to do so. They gave us March 22nd as an update date. Give them a break dude!!! If you can't understand this is a crisis then go play a different MMO!!! I'm sure SE realizes that the more down time they have the more it hurts their business...they're not idiots. I'm sure they are exploring all valid solutions and not just waiting for the power company to give the ok to turn the servers back on. Back off, let them take care of their country and their business. They will give us update!!!
I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the possibility that they might close the service down. Right now they have two teams of developers sitting on their hands (a very expensive proposition) and if blackouts are going to feature through to summer they are going to have no income for the next three or four months. Their primary market (i.e. Japan) has had some major disruptions and the profitability of the US and European market is down 35% over the last 3 years from the change in exchange rates alone. Subscriptions are dropping on both services and if this outage is lengthy the figures will only continue to drop. It would be naive to think that this isnt at least one of the options on the table. A decision will be made based on what is financially more viable, there will be no sentimental feelings getting in the way. It costs a lot of money to keep a MMORPG going and right now SE has one making a loss (FFXIV) and another with shrinking margins (FFXI). It's just good business.
Lets hope the power issues get rectified so they don't have to make some difficult decisions.
Thanks Ter for your very informative posts! All I can say is WOW! Things are a lot more difficult to move servers, have duplicate servers, etc than i had any idea at all.
One thing for sure. We have learned a whole lot of things we were clueless about before. I did not know SE was so big. Sure it has FF but that can be run off a few servers right? lol. Ok I pictured maybe 50 max. I also figured it had a lot fewer employees. 1800 mentioned in someone's post just floored me.
It's a LOT more clear why shutting down the game for a bit is the better choice.
Visual Studio :)
WTF does the Envelope color being red mean to the left of the Topic title at the forums front page. Whats the difference between it being red, or blue?
hot topic.. lots of posts, I guess.
Interesting tidbit of info I just stumbled when another thread prompted me to look up some stuff on SE. Here's a link to some info on SE's 23 story building that houses 4 of SE's divisions (SE holdings, SE limited, Taito Corp, and SE Business Holdings):
http://www.tokyoarchitecture.info/Bu...unka-Quint.php
If you map it and zoom in and out, you will notice it is fairly close to several key features like HOSPITALS and POLICE STATIONS, the Tokyo Metro Government building, post offices... In fact, there is a hospital and one police station within just a few blocks.
i cant wait to get back on line, however due to crisis im shocked SE hasnot put up anything abpout assisting with or starting a donation drive for crisis relefe posably offering to use our one month subscription to assist japan . just a thought but id be willing to donate from my 11 and 14 account well my 14 but seeing i had shut my 11 they cant use it but id let em i know its probubly 24 bucks usd but x all the plaier would be substantial
Square-Enix actually did, almost 3 days ago.
SQUARE ENIX GROUP Support for Japan Earthquake and Tsunami Relief Efforts
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Tokyo, Japan (March 17, 2011) — Square Enix Group (the Group) today announced that, following the Tohoku Pacific Earthquakes and Tsunami, the Group will donate 100 million Japanese yen to help relief and recovery efforts in the affected regions. Additionally, the Group will collect charity donations from employees worldwide for the disaster relief fund.
The Group also plans to host several support programs through select Square Enix online services and the amusement facilities that TAITO operates across Japan.
We send our deepest sympathy and condolences to the victims, and we sincerely pray that those injured will have full and speedy recoveries.
I. Support from the Square Enix Group
1. Donation in the amount of 100 million Japanese yen from Square Enix Holdings Co., Ltd.
2. Donation collections from Square Enix Group employees worldwide
Both donations will be sent for the relief and recovery efforts in the affected regions through the Japan Earthquake and Tsunami fundraising campaign launched by The Japanese Red Cross Society.
II. Support programs through services and amusement facilities of the Square Enix Group
1. SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD.
1. Donation program started on March 14 through the online game service SENGOKU IXA. The donations are collected through the placement of a special charity item. All sales of the item will be donated through Yahoo! Charity Fund.
SENGOKU IXA website: http://sengokuixa.jp/
2. Square Enix will also host a donation program using Square Enix Crysta®, the billing system in many of Square Enix's online services. The details of this program will be announced through the Square Enix account website at a later date.
Square Enix Account website: http://www.square-enix.com/jp/account/
2. TAITO CORPORATION
1. TAITO will collect donations from the customers at the amusement facilities that TAITO operates across Japan. The details of the program will be announced on the TAITO website and at the facilities at a later date.
2. TAITO will also collect donations by placing special charity items in its social games for mobile phones, and all sales of the item will be donated. The details of the program will be announced on TAITO website at a later date.
TAITO website:http://www.taito.co.jp/
3. SMILE-LAB CO., LTD.
1. The virtual life community Nicotto Town will collect donations by placing a special charity item in its service, and all sales of the item will be donated. The details of the program will be announced on Nicotto Town website at a later date.
Nicotto Town website: http://www.nicotto.jp/