Voidwatch Final Chapter

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

I have never seen ninurta's sash below 7 mil. Just saying. Alot of people get that belt while trying for mekira body. Wait I forgot, that must be garbage too because it comes from VW. OH wait 100 nyzle gear must be trash too. Gtfo lol...

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I know right? Though, the belt drop rate sucks too, I have seen alot of people I have partied up with saying they want the belt but are like 0/80 while they have gotten a body or 2.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Well, myself I don't actually use DD jobs in VW. I'm always a SCH or BLU, I just went with the idea of it being that way because not many wanted to say much to Mr.VW gear is shit, but when I say Attack>Acc oh its on! But no matter how good or bad VW gear is, it wont matter much, not like were getting any with drops shitty as they are and SE barely doing anything to fix it right?

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VWNM gear is pretty awesome, you gotta ignore pchan he's trolling everyone cause he gets a kick out of it. He says the things he does because it gets people all hot and bothered, best way to deal with him is click the ignore button.

That being said, it's not always the "best in slot" for every job, so use what you can. Voidwatch has become common now, so the elitists have moved on to Neo-Nyzule 100 gear as their branding of choice. Gotta bust out them Nike's right.

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Originally Posted by saevel

VWNM gear is pretty awesome, you gotta ignore pchan he's trolling everyone cause he gets a kick out of it. He says the things he does because it gets people all hot and bothered, best way to deal with him is click the ignore button.

That being said, it's not always the "best in slot" for every job, so use what you can. Voidwatch has become common now, so the elitists have moved on to Neo-Nyzule 100 gear as their branding of choice. Gotta bust out them Nike's right.

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I know, been lookin at the last 20 pages over at the ADL thread, not hard to tell the trolling going there. Just sayin funny I get jumped for it. In any case belts are situational as all other pieces of gear are, Phas better on high EVA things and Nin on basicly everything else. RDM more than anything would be a choice between them because of RDM's lower acc, while Ninurta's also holds a ton of melee mage benefits.

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

You'd be surprised. Even with all that I've still seen DDs parse at sub 50% accuracy on things like Rex, a lot of people still have the abyssea mindset where they think they're auto-capped accuracy all the time.

Last time we did Rex only the relic holders were above 90%, and they had +35 accuracy on their weapons. 1-handed jobs and MNKs had to use pizza/sushi to even get a respectable hit rate on him to land triggers.

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90% accuracy is garbage, they should be using sushi, all of them

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

mekira body. Wait I forgot, that must be garbage too because it comes from VW.

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Yes, toss it.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Yes, toss it.

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Begone pest. Come back when you know how to judge gear other than for MNK alone.

Making them tradeable so people can help each other out is a good idea. HOWEVER, you need to find a way so they actuly are TRADABLE. Otherwise it will be like everything else in this game. Ppl will only SELL them. Not trade them. Even without bazzar. PPl will just shout type/price and trade item/gill. Aka... selling.

Anyone who uses sushi is dumb lol. Acc caps fairly easy.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Anyone who uses sushi is dumb lol. Acc caps fairly easy.

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I would think so as well however I will trust them with the EVA of T6 VWNMs due to the fact I don't DD on them. If they are incorrect then yes, its stupid to use acc things you don't need obviously, however if they arnt~ then its better. I will however say that Abyssea did get the idea around that accuracy was dead because if you were a DD, you basically always used Razed Ruins, and had your AF3+2 gear with alot of acc, and had cruor buffs so your DEX was similar to 96+150~ making acc cap easier than anything else lol.

Sushi is never the answer. temps, and gear should be your solution. Red curry bun 95% of time. The other 5% of the time you need accuracy, use pizza.

Listening to Pchan is dumb. He is the guy that is convinced that mnk tp as fast as samurai mmkkk.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Sushi is never the answer. temps, and gear should be your solution. Red curry bun 95% of time. The other 5% of the time you need accuracy, use pizza.

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Well I'm sure they counted temps in this or everything they said would mean nothing... As for gear that depends, myself I rather haste over acc, if I would have to sacrifice my haste for acc, no, I'm using food... And I wont pretend to know what food is better in which case, by the time abyssea hit I wasn't nearly as much into the game as I wish I was, so I never really used food all to much. Due to this I just use Red Curry Buns when I'm on my RDM because my attack sucks without it anyways, and don't use any other food other than the occasional Cream Puff, when on SCH or BLU.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Listening to Pchan is dumb. He is the guy that is convinced that mnk tp as fast as samurai mmkkk.

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Thats just... thats funny how fuckin stupid that is honestly... A good SAM+Embrava+Haste might as well be brewing with how fast they WS... In any case I don't agree with him really, I agree with Saevel & Alkimi, just the fact that he said the same thing basically means I'm forced to agree with him as well... I mean not EVERYTHING he says is stupid, just 99.9% of it... I think...

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Sushi is never the answer. temps, and gear should be your solution. Red curry bun 95% of time. The other 5% of the time you need accuracy, use pizza.

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are we back to 2003? ace's helms, usukane sune-ate etc? It's the other way arround. You have acc pb you solve it with food.

I would rather have 150 attack over the measly 30 acc it would take to cap acc on any relevant monster. Tier 6 and PW are the only things I can think of that you would actually need acc. And then, it's very minor, so pizza is alot more useful.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Well I'm sure they counted temps in this or everything they said would mean nothing... As for gear that depends, myself I rather haste over acc, if I would have to sacrifice my haste for acc, no, I'm using food... And I wont pretend to know what food is better in which case, by the time abyssea hit I wasn't nearly as much into the game as I wish I was, so I never really used food all to much. Due to this I just use Red Curry Buns when I'm on my RDM because my attack sucks without it anyways, and don't use any other food other than the occasional Cream Puff, when on SCH or BLU.

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My point is why use sushi, when you cap acc with pizza, and then gain attack from the pizza too. Sushi is just pointless.
I rarely miss tier 6 VW with just temps and pizza. You know that 5% range that you will miss guarenteed >.>

Yep, I just don't know how potent each is, that was my problem, if pizza is attack+acc but sushi is just acc, and you already cap with pizza, duh, use pizza. Like I said though, don't know food well, so saying pizza vs sushi just makes me hungry but doesn't tell me much about what 1s better, I just know sushi is a really good acc food.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

I would rather have 150 attack over the measly 30 acc it would take to cap acc on any relevant monster. Tier 6 and PW are the only things I can think of that you would actually need acc. And then, it's very minor, so pizza is alot more useful.

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Umm you do realize your just admitted to wanting lower damage output right?

30 acc is 15% hit rate and will increase your damage by approximately that much. 150 Attack would have less of an effect.

Acc is something you need to fine tune, and there are some NMs where you just use sushi unless you have a Relic. If you've ever done parsing you know the best DD's are the ones at or near the acc cap.

That's my point demon. And parsing VW mobs doesnt mean shit. Stop using that as evidence unless your evidence includes that those DD didn't use any other ws besides their main ws. For all I know the ukon war was cycling his great axe ws. Annoiying when people parse voidwatch. Only person it helps is yourself.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

That's my point demon. And parsing VW mobs doesnt mean shit. Stop using that as evidence unless your evidence includes that those DD didn't use any other ws besides their main ws. For all I know the ukon war was cycling his great axe ws. Annoiying when people parse voidwatch. Only person it helps is yourself.

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I've already counted for that. You know it kinda displays the WS choices use's and such. You can ~always~ tell who's slacking and who's not. People in the top bracket in parses always have near capped hit rate.

Most important thing is it tells you your hit rate, and if you know how much accuracy you had and you know your average hit rate, then you have a very good idea how much accuracy is needed to cap.

Parses will let you know who's watching TV or doing some other activity other then focusing as their Ws rate will be atrocious. It tells you who not to invite next time.

You don't need a parse to be able to judge if your accuracy is good on samurai lol.

Or dark. Or warrior.

So says the person who claimed SD wasn't good for SAM and that their Masa was better.

"Eyeballing" is NEVER A GOOD IDEA. Classic example "my acc is just fine" as I look at their 68% hit rate on parse.

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Originally Posted by saevel

So says the person who claimed SD wasn't good for SAM and that their Masa was better.

"Eyeballing" is NEVER A GOOD IDEA. Classic example "my acc is just fine" as I look at the 68% hit rate on parse.

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Tell me where I said It's better. I just wanted facts lol. And you can simply "eyeball" your tp on samurai by watching your damn tp lol. Or filter it so you can see when you missed. Not hard. I don't have accuracy issues... and jobs like sam war drk and drg get zanshin do they not? Some people just don't try. I do great with pizza on tier 6.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

My point is why use sushi, when you cap acc with pizza

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It's not your point because then the discussion is pointless. Your point is that melees should not be using sushi when they don't cap because RCB does so much [otherwise you would no be mentionning RCB]. Anyone TPing while not capping accuracy is stupid for doing so. Also it's funny that same guys acting like semi elitist go all about "lol abyssea noobs thinking they cap acc everywhere", and then a few posts after go "oh but I have temps I don't need sushi".

Because you have temps....flat out. That gets factored in. I just know from experience, that pizza does the job for me on anything that I'm lacking acc on.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Tell me where I said It's better. I just wanted facts lol. And you can simply "eyeball" your tp on samurai by watching your damn tp lol. Or filter it so you can see when you missed. Not hard. I don't have accuracy issues... and jobs like sam war drk and drg get zanshin do they not? Some people just don't try. I do great with pizza on tier 6.

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You just said TP, I said accuracy. Accuracy is not something you can eyeball, this was proved back in 2004.

Pizza is 40 acc and 50 atk, +1 is 44acc 55atk. That is 20 ~ 22% hit rate increase which should be enough unless your a MNK / NIN / THF / BLU / ect.. type job. Problem with pizza is that it doesn't stack and people die in voidwatch, especially DD's who are standing point blank range for the aoe spam of death. So while you may start off with a pizza, after one or two fights you could be left empty handed, this is why you should always carry a spare stash of Sushi. RCB's are things I pull out for fights like Prov where I know I'm getting madrigal's to go with my minuets and thus accuracy should be capped on all melee. Might pull them on Kala / Ig / Rex if I'm not sure about the group I'm with.

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I don't have accuracy issues...

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I've heard that from so many melee since 2004, and they always had accuracy issues.

Well I don't lol. My gear is actually good. But hey I'm glad you actually somewhat agree about the pizza part. I forgot I was talking about HEAVY DD. Light DD swing more, so accuracy is usually more of an issue. And yes, people die, you could run out. But for my heavy DD, I have not had an issue with my pizza. And if your group is dying that often, does it even pay to use food lol?. -.-

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

It's not your point because then the discussion is pointless. Your point is that melees should not be using sushi when they don't cap because RCB does so much [otherwise you would no be mentionning RCB]. Anyone TPing while not capping accuracy is stupid for doing so. Also it's funny that same guys acting like semi elitist go all about "lol abyssea noobs thinking they cap acc everywhere", and then a few posts after go "oh but I have temps I don't need sushi".

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No. I said that when you're not capping acc, pizza will make up for it, and give you attack, so why use sushi. I'm done talking to you. Next thing I need to hear is that mnk will tp faster than sam with sushi or some shit.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Well I don't lol. My gear is actually good. But hey I'm glad you actually somewhat agree about the pizza part. I forgot I was talking about HEAVY DD. Light DD swing more, so accuracy is usually more of an issue. And yes, people die, you could run out. But for my heavy DD, I have not had an issue with my pizza. And if your group is dying that often, does it even pay to use food lol?. -.-

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Nonsense, no matter how much you swing accuracy effects you the same. The only job that can possibly claim a different accuracy situation is SAM due to Zanshin's high proc rate. You pick your food based on your parsed acc rate, this is where having one guy in your alliance you know to do the parsing at least once comes in handy. Then you know what amount of acc you need to hit cap and which adjustments you need to do, especially if your using aggressor (you ARE using aggressor right). You can further make an aggressor up / down TP macro that puts in extra acc for when it's down to compensate. On DRK I just pop DE when Agg goes down and ride it for 2min, other jobs might not be as lucky.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

No. I said that when you're not capping acc, pizza will make up for it, and give you attack, so why use sushi. I'm done talking to you. Next thing I need to hear is that mnk will tp faster than sam with sushi or some shit.

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No that was not your point. Your point is basically that using sushi is stupid, learn2DD gimplet. Actually I doubt you noobs have 4x songs BRDs when you do voidfail so I'll just suggest you to eat sushi. Pizza was proven to be good on mob up to 6 levels above you.

I just think you is stupid sir lol. Pchan I mean. Any 2 hander that has accuracy issues, should just get off the job. Or you shouldn't be fighting a tier 6 lol. 2 handers already have the advantage over 1 handers accuracy wise (usually aggressor zanshin and more acc from 3 dex = 2 acc instead of 2 dex = 1 acc for 1 handers). And Pchan, will you ever learn that no one takes you seriously on this forum. All you do is brag about your freakin mnk and your either mule brd or sex slave brd that go around perfect defense killing everything. It's rather annoiying. You never actually offer input. I don't mind saeval, he atleast counters with accurate information. All 2 handers should know how to time job abilities to take advantage of certain situations such as aggressor to diabolic eye. Here how about this. If you have plenty of damn inventory space, use pizza. If you're a 1 hander, use sushi. If you're dying and feel pizza would be a waste and you may run out, get a new damn group, because your group is failing you. There. Done freaking arguing over accuracy and listening to Pchan talk about being LEET while offering no input.

This weird discussion is totally on topic, but not because the enemies being discussed are high-tier VoidExhibitionists. This discussion is made relevant by virtue of being almost as awful as Voidwatch itself. It's symbolic!

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Originally Posted by saevel

Nonsense, no matter how much you swing accuracy effects you the same. The only job that can possibly claim a different accuracy situation is SAM due to Zanshin's high proc rate. You pick your food based on your parsed acc rate, this is where having one guy in your alliance you know to do the parsing at least once comes in handy. Then you know what amount of acc you need to hit cap and which adjustments you need to do, especially if your using aggressor (you ARE using aggressor right). You can further make an aggressor up / down TP macro that puts in extra acc for when it's down to compensate. On DRK I just pop DE when Agg goes down and ride it for 2min, other jobs might not be as lucky.

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I think he may have meant that two-handers need less accuracy because of the different DEX calculation, but the signal got bumrushed by a mob of noise on the way from his hippocampus to his fingers.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

This weird discussion is totally on topic, but not because the enemies being discussed are high-tier VoidExhibitionists. This discussion is made relevant by virtue of being almost as awful as Voidwatch itself. It's symbolic!

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...lol its true.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

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Yes 2handers have a slight advantage over monks for accuracy (ridiculus advantage) but there will be no situation where "RCB caps 2handers while monk require pizza to do so", or those situation belong to a very limited number of mobs and likely low levels mobs. With temp items / MADRIGALS (which you don't use since you play in gimpland) / fail COR ROLLs you are probably capped and if not use sushi. This holds for all DD and the mediocre amount of accuracy boost of 2handed DDs has nothing to do with the discussion - even relic holders. You are the one advocating using RCB when acc in uncap, so you lose the game. If that's was not your point then the discussion is irrelevant and you just took the opportunity to spread nonsense about SAM yet again. 2handed DD have been sucking for years, you can't change this. Just because you can afford all jobs at a VW camp doesn't make them good all of a sudden. Everyone caps acc because this is easy mode like abyssea, did you get it now ? Stop trying to imply someone doesn't cap acc because of their job choice.


But I don't think I can convince someone that thinks he can zanshin at will right before a WS like a pro ?

so did pupafighter say accuracy is more important for one-hander and less important for 2 handers? You lose, it's equally important for both. You say RCB is a must even if you do not cap accuracy? you lose. Also last I checked Shoha gets an attack boost, so why the RCB loving? Make us a video of how you zanshin and WS right before a swing also.

Also VW is soon going to be a 6-man zerg fest with, like always, the only jobs that don't suck at DD. If you don't know what they are, check this list as a hint

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1 Monk 10.03% ↑（6）
2 Warrior 9.18% ↑（5）
3 White Mage 7.78% ↓（1）
4 Black Mage 7.60% ↓（3）
5 Thief 7.29% ↓（4）
6 Red Mage 7.19% ↓（2）
7 Ninja 5.43% ↑（8）
8 Dancer 4.34% ↑（13）
9 Beastmaster 4.09% ↑（15）
10 Summoner 4.03% ↑（16）
11 Samurai 4.01% ↓（9）
12 Dark Knight 3.87% ↓（11）
13 Paladin 3.83% ↓（7）
14 Ranger 3.74% ↑（17）
15 Bard 3.59% ↓（10）
16 Dragoon 3.44% ↓（12）
17 Blue Mage 3.23% ↓（14）
18 Scholar 2.69% →
19 Corsair 2.54% ↑（20）
20 Puppetmaster 2.10% ↓（19）

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http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/gui...nsus/10/2.html

Yeah ... you realize Zanshin is generally laughed at if your not a SAM (HassoZanshin). And non-relic 2H's won't be capping accuracy on T6's even with Aggressor / Stalwarts. Their LCF is just too high. One of the biggest reasons I decided to build my rag was to get the large Acc bonus so that I wouldn't need to worry about it anymore.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Also VW is soon going to be a 6-man zerg fest with, like always, the only jobs that don't suck at DD. If you don't know what they are, check this list as a hint


http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/gui...nsus/10/2.html

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So? Alot of people level MNK for blue procs, an easy to gear DD/HP tank & Hundred fist PD zergs on the final limit break. Not cause its the best DD, if you take that number as evidence of that then you, are even more a fool than you let on. MNK has way to many applications now to not level it, so alot of people do, thats where you get that large number I'm sure.