sadly GM's appear to have dropped the ball

Personally, to me, there's a huge difference between happening upon a wiping group and being a literal vulture, standing there waiting for people to fail at NMs because you're unable / too lazy to get your own, because that's just being an a$$ for the sake of being an a$$.

I would rather claim an NM that's about to depop than let it depop; however I sure as hell wouldn't pitch a tent by an NM ???, hanging around and hoping for random people to come by and fail.

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Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon

I've stayed out of the arguement b/c really it's hard to piss me off so I'm eh about the whole issue. Just coming in to clarify some info. It was multiple popsets that were farmed, and it was our last one for the night that got stolen. The arguement is more or less thia venting anger about a nin who was waiting for charms to gank other peoples C.C. pops.

He successfully stole one of ours, two from a duo, one from yet another pt, and almost stole one from some japanese group. Generally when we do this I am the blm and I gravity / kite C.C. when charm hits and it doesn't go yellow. Sadly I was thf this particular run, and dispite a war provoking and not dying it still went yellow. I'm thinking someone else in our group did an action afterwards which went unseen and then died. When it was stolen we still had 6/8 people alive and well, there was no chance we would have died if the mob was left alone. The guy was just being a dick to be a dick that night.

As far as harrassment he was a bit of an ass afterwards, but I would be lying if I said it didn't give me a laugh. "We're 27/50 now, you guys have any more popsets?" and a seacom of "AFK, banned." Nothing bad enough to get a warning for, just enough to get a rise out of the people he was stealing from.

On the advice "Suck less," you can only control your own actions. You can try to direct people but whether or not they listen is up to them. It was an odd circumstance in this case b/c the war was waiting above and he voked the second the mob charmed, but like I said earlier 1 of the 2 people that died must have taken an action I didn't see and died afterwards.

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The guy was a dick. Somebody screwed up. But it is nice to see someone who accepted the loss without getting angry.

It most definitely is the case that you can only control your own actions. When playing with a group, you can only do your part and hope/trust that other people do theirs. It is entirely possible for 5/6 people there to be doing their jobs properly and still lose because someone messed up. It sucks when it happens, but it's just what happens with group play.

I won't advocate throwing the blame on one person, or avoiding playing with others. I think it is perfectly possible for people to succeed at the game with other people, even if they're not ideal (most of my friends aren't, that doesn't mean I don't group with them). People just need to accept that what happens, happens. People are allowed to be dicks, and they're allowed to pounce when someone screws up. Heck, I fully expect to lose my mob if I screw up. It's not that I think every other FFXI player is a horrible, horrible person waiting to pounce on me, but rather that I have no real rights to an NM if I screw up badly enough on it to lose claim.

Regardless, that much anger over losing in a video game is just not fun. That's pretty much what it comes down to. If I lose, I lose. I get another set and move on. I hope they got it out of their system. And I hope, sincerely, that people in general will chill the frumble out about their claim losses and just play the game.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Personally, to me, there's a huge difference between happening upon a wiping group and being a literal vulture, standing there waiting for people to fail at NMs because you're unable / too lazy to get your own, because that's just being an a$$ for the sake of being an a$$.

I would rather claim an NM that's about to depop than let it depop; however I sure as hell wouldn't pitch a tent by an NM ???, hanging around and hoping for random people to come by and fail.

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In this case this guy was definately being an ass to be an ass. He attempted to steal 2 of ours popsets, failed on the first so he went steal another groups. Successfully nab'd our next pop when it was around 20% hp. We were for the most part all above 80% hp as well little chance of wiping. In any case next time we do this fish we'll keep an eye out for him, and will yell twice as much as we already were to keep our other members on their toes. That or I'll just go blm myself.

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Originally Posted by Khajit

Great idea! now people can claim a NM and flux out so that a wandering group grabs the NM without realizing they get nothing for it. Sounds like it cant be abused at all.

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My post wasn't clear, this applys when a group **POP's** a NM "not" > claims. To be honest if someone claims a NM then targets another nob and a group steals it the KI can be given to the person who claimed already provided they didn't die. This is the case even if the player is outside party/alliance.

As for the players who advocate "anything yellow is fair game" I pity them, that attitude puts them in the same category as the persons camping to steal mobs to get jollies. Based on what I've read about this shady character he/she was a total jerk with the utmost disrespect for anyone. He deserves nothing less then someone stealing his account because he accidentally visited a malicious web site. Think of it this way. People who create these sites after all are the same thing in relationship to this player being bottom feeding vulture with no morale, respect or common curtsy for the community. Let karma be the judge of character.

You're calling SNK/Viewpoint malicious and shady? Really? Really?

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

You're calling SNK/Viewpoint malicious and shady? Really? Really?

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I've played with the guy. ITS TRUE!

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Originally Posted by Sarick

My post wasn't clear, this applys when a group **POP's** a NM "not" > claims. To be honest if someone claims a NM then targets another nob and a group steals it the KI can be given to the person who claimed already provided they didn't die. This is the case even if the player is outside party/alliance.

As for the players who advocate "anything yellow is fair game" I pity them, that attitude puts them in the same category as the persons camping to steal mobs to get jollies. Based on what I've read about this shady character he/she was a total jerk with the utmost disrespect for anyone. He deserves nothing less then someone stealing his account because he accidentally visited a malicious web site. Think of it this way. People who create these sites after all are the same thing in relationship to this player being bottom feeding vulture with no morale, respect or common curtsy for the community. Let karma be the judge of character.

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And it's not possible to do the same thing with pop NM HOW? People in this game apparently dont even understand the claim system we have. It's ridiculous to expect most of the playerbase to understand how the new system would work. That's not even talking about all the mkp opportunities you get from the mobs aoe.
Even if they werent doing that a person could legitimately bio a mob to death. What's to stop the opposing groups from calling for help so that the annoying person taking an hour to sit down and DIE doesn't get drops? What's to stop the fact that any old prick can disband from their party at 1% and get all the drops?
Your entire idea brings about more problems and abuses than the current system after 5 minutes of thought than the playerbase has found with the current system after several years.

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Based on what I've read about this shady character he/she was a total jerk with the utmost disrespect for anyone. He deserves nothing less then someone stealing his account because he accidentally visited a malicious web site. Think of it this way. People who create these sites after all are the same thing in relationship to this player being bottom feeding vulture with no morale, respect or common curtsy for the community. Let karma be the judge of character.

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Ok wow. I'm curious as to who told you what because I'm seriously loling at you for this. Who told you what about me? lol

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

I've played with the guy. ITS TRUE!

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brb camping Serket.

I never thought I'd say this since it goes against my own moral code, but yesterday my static stole a yellow Briareus that went unclaimed at 1%. Needless to say the Japanese was freaking out. We were kind and invited him to alliance so he could lot all of the items that dropped. :D

we are all fighting over what right this is violating and blah blah blah, when we should really be looking at this horrible childrens style game mechanic where a mob loses 100 percent agro or in this case, the claim, becuase everyone in the group is charmed, dont blame the other group, blame SE for there moronic mechanics that just dont work for anything properly.