Turialon's Complain about the unsocial EMPY upgrades

Plate prices are still hovering around 100k on Asura but the VW /sh are getting fewer and fewer. Then when you do hear a /sh for vw its nearly always qilin. Every once and awhile you see a pil or a kaggan or a /sh for a random non-plate dropping mob.

I think its mainly do to the sheer amount of time it takes to put one together, travel, get the kills done and come back. Its very easy for a vw pt to last at least 3+hrs from /sh 1 to last mob and its usually just not worth it. What is funny is a person will stay in a pt for 2 hrs while its put together but if the boss takes the party more than 5 minutes to kill ppl will force dc or drop/warp. Then you have to rep jobs and juggle ppls existing jobs and it just takes more and more time. Conflicts break out because someone wants to be a leet smarta** and totally dog on someone who makes a simple mistake which causes more ppl to drop and more jobs needing to be repped and it goes on and on. Some ppl are getting so bad in their elite attitudes in vw pts that you will see multiple ppl dropping if they join.

VW on Asura can be an ordeal most the time causing it to get less and less popular.

But overall the past couple weeks you can go a long time without anyone putting together a vw pt.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Not on your server then. On Phoenix I have seen less VW shouts daily, plates going up to 110k rather than the old 100k, and because of that I see less. At any rate plates will fall out of the market if the Expansion is good enough, if its not then we will have a problem on our hands bigger than the plates.

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Well look at it this way. Plate price is going up. Idk anyone that would buy for over 110k. We had plates up to 130 on siren and then no one was buying. Your plate price will drop down soon due to people not being able to sell.

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Originally Posted by Mostfowl

Plate prices are still hovering around 100k on Asura but the VW /sh are getting fewer and fewer. Then when you do hear a /sh for vw its nearly always qilin. Every once and awhile you see a pil or a kaggan or a /sh for a random non-plate dropping mob.

I think its mainly do to the sheer amount of time it takes to put one together, travel, get the kills done and come back. Its very easy for a vw pt to last at least 3+hrs from /sh 1 to last mob and its usually just not worth it. What is funny is a person will stay in a pt for 2 hrs while its put together but if the boss takes the party more than 5 minutes to kill ppl will force dc or drop/warp. Then you have to rep jobs and juggle ppls existing jobs and it just takes more and more time. Conflicts break out because someone wants to be a leet smarta** and totally dog on someone who makes a simple mistake which causes more ppl to drop and more jobs needing to be repped and it goes on and on. Some ppl are getting so bad in their elite attitudes in vw pts that you will see multiple ppl dropping if they join.

VW on Asura can be an ordeal most the time causing it to get less and less popular.

But overall the past couple weeks you can go a long time without anyone putting together a vw pt.

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On siren, we just get rid of the noobs. That's what I do.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

On siren, we just get rid of the noobs. That's what I do.

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Everyone makes simple mistakes now and then that dont really make that big of a difference in the battle but some ppl just cant let it go and keep going on and on and on about it. Causing ppl to get sick of listening to some jerk trolling and drop. Or some just drop cause they get bored. Regardless vw is taking forever and a day. None of my ls even bothers to start pts anymore and neither do I. Theres just too much crap to deal with.

Example. In the past 6 hrs ive been online. Only 1 vw pt /sh and it took well over an hr to get to 15/18 and im not sure if they filled, gave up or just went with 15 cause the /sh suddenly stopped.

There has been more dyna /sh lately than vw

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

On siren, we just get rid of the noobs. That's what I do.

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you have to lead shouts to kick people out.

and i guess that's just you, but we usually /tell them and walk them through what they need to do; that's the productive way to get things done.

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Originally Posted by Plasticleg

you have to lead shouts to kick people out.

and i guess that's just you, but we usually /tell them and walk them through what they need to do; that's the productive way to get things done.

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I stopped leading shouts because there is this site called wiki.bluegartr.com and ffxiah.com that typically help you with all that you need to do. On ffxi, expecting a person to sit and explain how to do a fight is just counterproductive when you are trying to form a group. I don't kick people that don't understand the game, I just simply say I'm not interested. And for kicking people out, generally give them 3 strikes your out. If they can't get to the damn VW rift after 15 minutes constantly, they shouldn't be there. If they can't proc when you call a proc, they shouldn't be there. If there damage per ws is below 1k, they shouldn't be there. If they die constantly because of fanatics, they shouldn't be there. Can't call the person actually trying to win the bad guy lol. If some guy comes to your group in perle and doesn't know what his procs are, he should be doing other events first.

V.w. is fun, when it goes well, sucks when it doesn't, plates.... Lol it aint 60k Alex's and those were to be for "casual types". Lololol, and s.e. "muhahahahahahahahhah"

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Generally, yes.



AKA, an extremely stupid and pointless design decision that angers and frustrates a large portion of the player base in order to appease an extremely tiny minority who's subscription fees amount to a drop in the proverbial bucket. What a sad use of limited resources and manpower.

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stuff like this is designed to where it's supposed to be somewhat "unreasonable" to get to keep you playing. if you don't have anything left to work for in the game, what would you do? probably quit playing.

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Originally Posted by Dohati

stuff like this is designed to where it's supposed to be somewhat "unreasonable" to get to keep you playing. if you don't have anything left to work for in the game, what would you do? probably quit playing.

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If I see something as unattainable, or a waste of time, I don't bother with it anyways. Once it goes into the realm of stupidly annoying or time taking to get, it becomes to much of a waste to bother with anyways, and instead drives me to quit sooner because its another piece of content I will not do, rather than if it were more reasonable and I would actually do it.

It seems there aren't a lot of people on my server taking empy's past 90. Hell, I'm surprised to even see them at 90 here. The price has been dropping some recently because there's just too many on the market. It's not worth it to a lot of people, myself included. You can buy an entire relic weapon (75 version) for the cost of the HMP stage and still have money to spare for a couple umbral marrows. I would be all over it if the number was more like 500-750. I personally won't bother buying HMPs until I have absolutely nothing else left to do in this game, and at that point I'd probably be ready to quit anyway. I've been saving whatever I get from VW and am currently at 71 plates without buying any, nor exclusively farming NMs that drop them.