Nyzul Isle Assault Bug

I kind of bail out of the event early.

Did a few run's, was dissatisfied with progress and low end loot. Did a run or two with some ppl using skpe, went better but after that I started seeing shout's that require vent or skpe to do run's. And I'm just not seeing doing an event that requires me to have to do that in order to win. Don't get me wrong, I'm and easy going guy easy to get a long with. And I don't throw fits of rage when someone does something wrong or a group fails in it's task. But that's not every one. I'm not interested in hooking up with 5 other guys/gals who might be that way for an hour or 2 trying to accomplish it. I been on XBL for years and I know how some ppl can get.

So I just figure I'd come back to it once every one got it down to a science with out it. Apparently some one found the easy button and now we have this mess.

All I want to say is : lol. Now poping popcorn for the fix they will bring and the wall of butthurt that will come after (BG).

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Originally Posted by Arcon

If they keep track of that, and it's still no proof, I actually got it right on the first try just this week helping friends reach FL100 on old Nyzul Isle. And dat swaps don't help with finding anything quicker either, only recognizing the lamp order.

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Yes it's proof if you did it on all your nyzul wins. They could for instance remove the nyzul gear from their invo instead of bans.

It's fairly infuriating to see this honestly. Imagine a game built on gear collection and battles. Now imagine great pieces of gear that are damn near the BEST gear in the game are available. Now, imagine that no one can even get this gear without the help of movement speed increases and lamp mods.

With all honesty, I have yet to see this event being beaten on a video without the aid of these mods. Why is this? Bad game design. When your users have to cheat to achieve a goal you have put into a game, you have created something incorrectly.

To compare it with something similar, Nyzul Isle original. In this version, you would expect to always walk away with someone even though it was largely luck based. If you didn't get a drop, you'd at least get floor progress and maybe fight a boss. And if you wanted a great piece of gear, you'd end up being able to pick a floor to have chances to get it...although the drop rate was horribad. The only luck would be what kind of floors you'd get. Nyzul isle uncharted takes that same formula and slaps you in the face. Seasoned adventurers with AMAAAAAZING gear walk in and are lucky to make it to floor 19 of 100 before timing out. This has happened to me when i got 2 floor jumps every time. My gear on Sam is crazy and my friends all have 99 relics or perfect enhancing gear. Why did we lose? Not because we weren't skilled but because we got unlucky in a game after we worked so hard to reach a level of teamwork, strategy and general badassness to defeat anything in the world. Except bad floor jumps >.>

This event will die if you do anything short of lowering the amount of tokens needed to get these good pieces. A good group, with embrava and everything, will probably only make it to floor 60 on average and need a billion tokens to get the top tier gear. We can only enter like 3-4 times a day every few days....so how will we deal with this? We won't. Screw Nyzul isle gear even though it's really great.

What the devs should take from this isn't that I'm justifying cheating, but rather that by making a damn near impossible event, you've driven people to start looking for ways to grab the carrot that you're dangling in front of their faces. Also, games like Guild Wars 2 will start stealing people away...because they are listening to their audience....and not putting impossible challenges in front of them and then admonishing them for finding a way to actually succeed in it.

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

1) I doubt they can tell who swapped dat's
2) If they can, I hope they give them the hammer
3) If the friends of people who get the hammer feel the need to leave, I'll show them the door

Not feeling pity for anyone who chose friends, or an LS, who are cheaters. The correct response would have been to not do the event and continually complain to S/E until it is fixed. Part of the reason S/E fixes things is they see no one is doing it. Instead, when people cheat, a smaller group complains, because the cheaters don't complain as it is no longer an annoyance, and the event never gets fixed. And, then more people realize that the solution is cheating. So, nothing ever gets fixed and cheating becomes the fallback answer for every broken thing in the game.

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Then you my friend, are an Ignorant hater. Answer me these questions, And maybe I can change my mind

1) How does them dat swapping, effect your playstyle, or you?
2) IF you can find an Answer to 1, Which I doubt, Why does it make you so angry?
3) If you can answer 2, Which i doubt, Have you realized lately this is a game?

Truth is, most people who dislike the so called "Cheaters", are simply hating just to hate, because their morale standards (Which apparently end at basic human emotion such as compassion) tell them CHEATING IS BAD.

Well, I tend to agree that cheating is in fact bad, Especially when it directly and negatively impacts other gamers, Like Botting at HNMs. But, Nyzul Isle, Is a closed, Instanced event. Them swapping .dats on Lamps is not preventing you from Doing the event, and takes nothing away from your personal experience of the event.

Are you angry they have the pixels before you? If so, Why does it matter? You can just wear it proudly that you may have obtained it without cheating, therefor, your victory is significantly more rewarding in the end. Isn't this game about personal achievements? Why do you care about the achievements of others first? This is as stupid as wanting job Nerfs on Diablo 3.

I'm sorry my friend if i come off rude, But this type of ignorant hatred for anyone cheating and anyone whos friends with cheaters is pure disgusting when it does not effect you in any way. I especially hate the morale Hypocrisy, "Cheaters are bad cause cheating is bad" > "F**k Cheaters and their friends!" - So, Cheating is bad, and therefor you hate it, But condemning cheaters and their friends basically saying good riddens is totally morally acceptable?

You're almost as bad as some of the more extremist Christians, Didn't god teach you hate the Sin, not the sinners? And since is hating the friends of the sinner now an acceptable course of moral action as well?
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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

All I want to say is : lol. Now poping popcorn for the fix they will bring and the wall of butthurt that will come after (BG).

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You're stupider than I thought if you think this will bring any butthurt, considering anyone on BG worth a penny has already gotten their armor. But keep dreaming, I know the only meaning your life has these days is hoping you can find a way to make fun of BG. Good lord. move on already.

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Originally Posted by Belmonts

Sorry to bust your bubble, Camate. I know you mean good but all the people that cheated on this and other exploits on Neo-Nyzul have already the gear they wanted.

They couldn't care less...

Again, we do appreciate SE efforts to stop this.

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I like your choice in words, "stop" not "fix" as many others have stated the issue with neo nyzul isn't the fact people use 3rd party tools to complete it. The issue is, now I'll say this sample and even give you the kanji and furigana so you can tell it to the devs,

The set up, that involves a russian roulette floor jump system, a timer that starts when people are zoning into the zone because of your company's dial-up like ping system, the need to use a scholar's two hour ability, exclusionary job biases, long empty corridors, floors that require you to not only find objects to activate in an order but to guess the order, and monster families in those empty corridors that can easily kill one person unless assisted by a healer. These amount to a horrible idea that should be put in a video game developer's hall of shame.

ロシアンルーレットの床のジャンプシステムを含むセットまで、人々がいるため、企業のダイヤルアップのpingシステム、学者の二つの時間の能力を使用する必要が、排他的な仕事バイアスのように、長い間のゾーンにゾーニングされたときに起動タイマー空の回廊、あなただけのためにアクティブにすることではなく、ヒーラーの援助を受けない限り、簡単に一人を殺すことができ、これらの空の廊下には順序、およびモンスターの家族を推測するオブジェクトを見つけることができませんする必要が床。恥のビデオゲーム開発者のホールに入れなければならない恐ろしい考えに、これらの量。

Roshianrūretto no yuka no janpu shisutemu o fukumu setto made, hitobito ga iru tame, kigyō no daiyaru appu no pingu shisutemu, gakusha no futatsu no jikan no nōryoku o shiyō suru hitsuyō ga, haita-tekina shigoto baiasu no yō ni, nagaiai no zōn ni zōningu sa reta toki ni kidō taimā Sora no kairō, anata dake no tame ni akutibu ni suru kotode wa naku, hīrā no enjo o ukenai kagiri, kantan ni hitori o korosu koto ga deki, korera no sora no rōka ni wa junjo, oyobi monsutā no kazoku o suisoku suru obujekuto o mitsukeru koto ga dekimasen suru hitsuyō ga yuka. Haji no bideogēmu kaihatsu-sha no hōru ni hairenakereba naranai osoroshī kangae ni, korera no ryō.

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

1) I doubt they can tell who swapped dat's
2) If they can, I hope they give them the hammer
3) If the friends of people who get the hammer feel the need to leave, I'll show them the door

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So much mad, and so much more jealousy.

People have been using DAT swaps for various things for years. There are entire online FFXI communities hosting thousands and thousands of player created DATs. And nobody has ever given a shit about it, not even back when people used them to solo the Hagun ENM. That's the same thing as this in a nutshell. Though I guess you're going to suggest that they go back and ban everyone that ever did that too right?

I don't think you understand just how big of an impact your jealousy could potentially have on the game, if they were to listen to people like you and banhammer everyone that has ever used DAT swaps, use windower, or anything else deemed a 'cheat'. You don't even suggest they just take the gear away, you want them removed from the game forever, including their friends.

Your kind won't be happy until they ban every windower user, every DAT swapper, and all associated friends along with it. I hope you enjoy yourself if that day ever comes, because you'll likely be doing it on the only server the game has left.

SE doesn't ban people by hunches, assumptions or coincidences. If the same character claimed an HNM 5 nights in a row he wasn't banned for being a botter even though it seems obvious. Just because you perform an action incredibly well or have amazing luck with a game system I.E. lamps they arent goin to just ban everyone who got all order lamp floors right for the last few weeks or however long. If they implimented something that gave them solid proof of the names being switched in a player's dat then sure they would ban/suspend that person, but it's unlikely this has been done. For christ's sake, you can place a GM call and tell them you're a botter and you won't get banned. They'll tell u that if u want your account deleted you can go cancel the content ID. They work from their own first hand evidence. All you people saying you pity cheaters and look down on people when they aren't even doing anything to harm you should be ashamed of yourselves. It's a videogame and people play for fun. SE made an event with such an awesome set of rewards and dat swaps are such an easy way to bypass the most irritating unnecesary part of the event. They're going to make the lamp names server side. Great. Nobody is going to win the event anymore. I dont condone the clipper and speed hackers because that shit is unnecessary to win, but you can't win without dat swaps if an order floor pops up on your run. Cut and dry. Accept it.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

So much mad, and so much more jealousy.

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Oops, apparently touched a nerve. And, nope. You can try and recast my disgust at cheating, guessing either yours and/or your friends' or shells', as jealousy. But, no, it's simply disgust at people who feel the need to circumvent the rules and then try and justify it by saying "hey, everyone's doing it."

Oh, hang on...nope still just disgust.

p.s. - I've no need to fear the ban hammer. Do you have a need to for yourself or your friends?

His point isn't that "Everyone does it", Its that .dat swaps have been in the game since the beginning, In form of Changing how your weapons look, and so on, so banning everyone who used .dat swaps would likely eradicate more than half the player base, especially if we include those who used it just to change weapon/armor looks.

And since editing Dats is cheating, regardless of the reason in your own words, They would need to be banned as well. Since cheating is cheating and there is no middle ground. This is according to your logic.