Abyssea Adjustments - Un-leech

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Rebuilding amber light = one-two cleave pulls (10 '). It's instant, grabing 2 or 3 stones is maybe 5 min every 100 min. I just find it hilarous that you claim that it takes you 20 hours to cap on Chloris, because with only amber finding it would take you 10H considering blue chest don't pop anymore... and it would cost only 20 stones.



I'm not talking about ruby killing Chloris, but normal NMs, which you are bound to do for efficiency if you are getting 50% of blue chest and only 50% of gold chests, because you can have strectches of 1 hours+ when you don't get the required KI, keep getting the same KI that you are capping on, at which point finishing a set is more efficient ; It's the same with only amber farming but since gold coffer pop twice as fast it's not as bad to spam them instead of NMs.

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When the heck did I say it took 20 hours to cap on Chloris? Also, seriously? You don't get multiple lights for kills that happen in the same AoE. Cataclysm damage is static. Barring resists, all mobs die on the same WS and thus you only get one light for the kill; Also, you can't get Amber light off of the majority of mobs in Tahrongi. You can only build Amber on NMs (Ephs/VNMs count, and we used these), Fafnirs, Adamantoises, and Sandworms. You are not getting any Amber light during cleaves in Tahrongi unless you're doing them on retarded mobs.

You also do not necessarily need to do normal NMs for efficiency if you are able to negate the efficiency drain of Repeat-KIs by having enough people there to hold multiple sets. Even better if you keep in touch with someone who is farming Glavoids, like I did, so that the two groups can trade sets. Was it sometimes helpful to kill NMs to finish off 3/4 sets? Yes. Avoiding Ruby still isn't hard, neither is it a hugeomgwtf deal. Having a bit of Azure and Ruby is not going to totally screw over your gold chest rates.

I'm not sure I even know what you're trying to get at. You're either a really bad troll, or you're just trying to make yourself look cool by intimating that I'm doinitwrong. Go bother someone else.

The troll is you since you appear to spam every thread in this forum ; are you going to answer every post trying to prove that someone is wrong (labeling them as troll when they are wrong with you ?)? Farming blue chest is stupid when you want gold chest, it's that simple, twice more time efficient. And please stop acting like capping amber is time consuming. It's maybe the case for someone that spends 1 or 2 hours in the zone but if you are going to spend a lot of time on the zone, it doesn't matter and you will be better off spamming amber chest or, better, in case you don't have stones (unlikely), alternating between a 120' (~takes 30min) farming and a 120' amber cleaving run using 1 stone for 2 or 3 hours of work.

I'm done.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

The troll is you since you appear to spam every thread in this forum ; are you going to answer every post trying to prove that someone is wrong (labeling them as troll when they are wrong with you ?)? Farming blue chest is stupid when you want gold chest, it's that simple, twice more time efficient. And please stop acting like capping amber is time consuming. It's maybe the case for someone that spends 1 or 2 hours in the zone but if you are going to spend a lot of time on the zone, it doesn't matter and you will be better off spamming amber chest or, better, in case you don't have stones (unlikely), alternating between a 120' (~takes 30min) farming and a 120' amber cleaving run using 1 stone for 2 or 3 hours of work.

I'm done.

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The vast majority of my posts are informative and hardly worthy of being called troll posts, I don't see what that has to do with anything. I was wondering if you were trolling because you seemed to come out of nowhere with no valuable input to this thread, for the sole purpose of questioning my methodology when it's obvious that you have little to no personal experience cleaving gold boxes in Tahrongi.

You keep changing the situation. Yes, capping Amber is time consuming if you're only going to be spending 1 or 2 hours in the zone. You are talking about burning stones, so that is the maximum amount of time you can expect to spend in the zone at any given time. If you enter with 120 minutes, and spend 15~ of them capping *both* Pearl and Amber (assuming 1 active DD) every single time you leave, you are being inefficient and wasting time. You cannot say that the amount of time it takes to build lights is insignificant if you're going to be in the zone a long time and then say that building Azure is dumb, they are mutually exclusive concepts.

I don't know how this matters to me at all anyways, since I've been finished with Tahrongi for a long time. The only reason for my original post about how I farmed my Vereth was to provide an example wherein it would be detrimental to have some sort of auto-kick feature added for afk people in Abyssea. If you had a strategy that actually sounded like it would be more efficient for Tahrongi (Note: For my LT emps, of course I burn stones, I don't even build lights in La Theine), I would have no problems with it. You don't, however. You consistently leave out key characteristics of the zone in order to make it sound more appealing.

Why the HELL did this need ANOTHER thread? People who can't even read the fact that this already had a thread and had been beaten to DEATH as well as been shot down by 90% of the people on this forum, need to be shot.

Stop posting retarded shit.

I have never leeched as a higher job or a lower job I might afk for around 5 minutes here and there always say brb. Now I have not really played much either since the release of Abyssea and upon joining a party the other week for merits and crests for limit break I noticed something. Think there was 14 of us and due to atma's emp weapons and emp armor you can have people afk leech and still get the amount of exp you could upon abyssea release.

I for one don't care if people afk leech as long as the party can get the xp and get the TE.

Exactly, if you joined a party for EXP/TE/Cruor/AF3, as long as your getting what you want, you shouldn't be too bothered by people leeching. Everytime someone asks "But why should I have to work for their benefit"? Go back over what you just said. Since when does playing a video game, and moving your fingers across a controller count as work and therefore people have to bend to the way you think is right?

The minimum level should stay where it is, if you have a problem with the alliance, if your the only one who cares, then leave; since apparently the EXP someone else is getting is too horrid for you to get the EXP you came for.

You are exactly right. If a few people going AFK doesn't interrupt your EXP/Cruor/TE/AF3 gain, there isn't anything to worry about. But, I've also noticed when one person goes AFK more are usually to follow. Then soon you have over half the party AFK before you know what happened. (I think this is the major issue here.) As for the Lv.30 Key/Leach, It isn't going to hurt having 1/18 players unable to fight. Plus with all the Atma's out there now, people can solo 2-3 monsters at the same time as fast if not faster, than an alliance. =P (I've seen BLM's 1Shot Abysea monsters..)

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Originally Posted by Komori

Exactly, if you joined a party for EXP/TE/Cruor/AF3, as long as your getting what you want, you shouldn't be too bothered by people leeching. Everytime someone asks "But why should I have to work for their benefit"? Go back over what you just said. Since when does playing a video game, and moving your fingers across a controller count as work and therefore people have to bend to the way you think is right?

The minimum level should stay where it is, if you have a problem with the alliance, if your the only one who cares, then leave; since apparently the EXP someone else is getting is too horrid for you to get the EXP you came for.

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Agreed, leaching ruins the intergrity of the game.

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Originally Posted by Skybrit

Agreed, leaching ruins the intergrity of the game.

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Actually, people with the same dumb idea rehashed over and over again ruin the integrity of the game.

Thanks for further evidence. No integrity, and no honor defines a leach.