Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

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Originally Posted by Razushu

No but believing a setup needs to be in the top say 5% to a great success is.

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I'll put it this way. If you have a smn and want to use one, that's fine, but that doesn't make it a good job or one that is preferable to use.

It's plain that simple. If you want to use it because the person in your group has most fun on the job, that's one thing, but something like "I want a smn in this pt because of how great they are and how much they add to this party" is another.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Even an incompetent summoner can keep all 6 party members hasted easily, with no thought process or cycle required.

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The point is w/ a competent whm, there's no need for it.

Your only point here is the more your pt sucks, the better a smn is. Ok, we're fine with that. Go play with crappy players and be their god.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Uhm, sure, I'll look into it.

Please post on my talk page to point out specific examples of plagarism, because I don't visit BGWiki.

I'll happily revert any such acts that can be proven (or add appropriate attribution)

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I've reverted all the ones where he literally copied and pasted our information, complete with formatting, but it has been a constant stream of uncited edits he has done for the month or so. Take a look at his edit history, take a look at our page. It doesn't take a genius to figure out where the information is coming from, especially when he gets tired of rewording things and copy/pastes the Tier 4 information. I'm not sure those links will work, but they were just his revision history before and after he contributed to the Hahava and Celaeno pages.

For reference, if you can bear it:
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Celaeno
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Hahava

I get all my information from other people, but I cite them and it's generally with express permission. Iirc, one of the primary reasons contributors soured on BGwiki is because the mods would go revert all edits that were uncited and probably from FFXIclopedia. Also, iirc, BGwiki's writing is protected under a non-profit license, meaning that other websites cannot legally take its information and use it for a profit, which is displaying it, in the case of ad revenue supported websites like wikia.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

I'll put it this way. If you have a smn and want to use one, that's fine, but that doesn't make it a good job or one that is preferable to use.

It's plain that simple. If you want to use it because the person in your group has most fun on the job, that's one thing, but something like "I want a smn in this pt because of how great they are and how much they add to this party" is another.

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You don't rate the job and that's fine but it doesn't change the fact that I am useful as a support and have been since I started trying it 2 years ago. Am I the best? No. Am I good at it? Yes

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Even an incompetent summoner can keep all 6 party members hasted easily, with no thought process or cycle required.

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I can do this on RDM or WHM, no thought required.
Edit: want my ideal tank pt?
RDM WHM BRD COR DDx2

Can maybe drop rdm for dnc depending on what you're fighting.

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Originally Posted by Razushu

You don't rate the job and that's fine but it doesn't change the fact that I am useful as a support and have been since I started trying it 2 years ago. Am I the best? No. Am I good at it? Yes

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You can be good at the job itself w/o the job being good (comparatively) to other jobs that could be in its place.

Guys, just ignore Cream Soda.

He is just trolling all you since that is all he does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQimv...2606213D09B173

Yes, you are mad, what is your point?

Maddest in all the land. I got steam shootin out of all body openings