A Suggestion From The Pet Job Community: Stop Ignoring Us and Listen To Our Plea.

Once again the game developers screw us over. 110 accuracy is not going to be enough to get us over the 50%~75% hit rate threshold in high level content like delve. But whatever, lets just wait it out another year and maybe they'll get around to actually solving the issue.

How about making all Ready moves 1charge S.E.

SE could boost pets through the job point system; I mean, why implement a useless system with sub-par enhancements, just saying.

They are making this sooooooooo complicated, lol. Hopefully the new categories does just that; we shall see Thursday, gonna save my complaints until then.

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Originally Posted by Jinzha

Once again the game developers screw us over. 110 accuracy is not going to be enough to get us over the 50%~75% hit rate threshold in high level content like delve. But whatever, lets just wait it out another year and maybe they'll get around to actually solving the issue.

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it is quiet substantional and should be enough with an ilvl 119 pet and pet:acc gear, the question is if there is gear out there that has pet:acc on it and doesnt gimp the master totally

Even if it was 300 acc, jugs do crap dmg, thus nothing has really changed; your pet hits more, but it also hits for very little dmg. Example, your pet's acc has scaled immensely; however, the other stats are still lagging behind. This will greatly affect your dmg output on lvl128 content. Great acc, but horrid attack.

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Originally Posted by WoW

Even if it was 300 acc, jugs do crap dmg, thus nothing has really changed; your pet hits more, but it also hits for very little dmg. Example, your pet's acc has scaled immensely; however, the other stats are still lagging behind. This will greatly affect your dmg output on lvl128 content. Great acc, but horrid attack.

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pet pdif is wierd, attack does almost next to nothign for pet attacks, it has an effect but not such a huge effect like a player getting the same attack (ecxeptions are physical BP, SE recently uped the Pdif cap on those I think). The most important part for pets is acc atm (and m.acc/mab), because atk wont do much and never did much for pet auto-attacks.

and of course as allways pet survivability

Unless this food also gives the master stats, nobody will use it. Puppetmasters can not be competitive without fighting themselves- even 999999 accuracy won't change that. Summoners can use this with minimal consequences, but they also don't need it as badly as far as I can tell. Dragoons could care less about their pet's accuracy (pls correct me if I'm wrong) and/or they at least wouldn't sacrifice their own stats to make their wyvern miss less. BST I can't really comment on as I know little about it.

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Originally Posted by Damane

pet pdif is wierd, attack does almost next to nothign for pet attacks, it has an effect but not such a huge effect like a player getting the same attack (ecxeptions are physical BP, SE recently uped the Pdif cap on those I think). The most important part for pets is acc atm (and m.acc/mab), because atk wont do much and never did much for pet auto-attacks.

and of course as allways pet survivability

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that's not how pet pDIF works. there's a tiny difference between pet pDIF and player pDIF (well, for avatars and jugs anyway. I know nothing about automatons and wyverns), and it's actually a positive thing: ratio -> pDIF conversion has a different formula at low ratio, allowing pets to take less of a hit at low ratio as compared to a player. other than that, pets have higher ratio caps (not a negative, it means their damage gets multiplied by an even greater amount than players if you are able to get that much attack, which you can't, but anyway), different level difference bonuses (as in, they actually get them for being higher level than the target), and different level difference penalties. overall, pets actually have a stronger, more favorable pDIF function than players do, so not sure why you think it's terrible.

the real problem with pet pDIF is that pets get such sickeningly low ratios on higher level targets due to a lack of attack buffs. this food won't change that at all really, however if the MAB/MACC bonuses are decent then SMNs could see some use out of it. the attack and accuracy buffs won't be close to enough to make pet damage relevant on anything that it isn't already "good enough" on. not sure why SE thinks that a 100~120 (I don't remember the quotable value, it's somewhere around there) acc/atk compensates for marches, madrigals, minuets, chaos roll, hunter's roll, etc., but whatever. guess pets aren't destined to be useful on anything above lvl 115. it's pretty much the same boat as blue magic.

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Originally Posted by Prothscar

that's not how pet pDIF works. there's a tiny difference between pet pDIF and player pDIF (well, for avatars and jugs anyway. I know nothing about automatons and wyverns), and it's actually a positive thing: ratio -> pDIF conversion has a different formula at low ratio, allowing pets to take less of a hit at low ratio as compared to a player. other than that, pets have higher ratio caps (not a negative, it means their damage gets multiplied by an even greater amount than players if you are able to get that much attack, which you can't, but anyway), different level difference bonuses (as in, they actually get them for being higher level than the target), and different level difference penalties. overall, pets actually have a stronger, more favorable pDIF function than players do, so not sure why you think it's terrible.

the real problem with pet pDIF is that pets get such sickeningly low ratios on higher level targets due to a lack of attack buffs. this food won't change that at all really, however if the MAB/MACC bonuses are decent then SMNs could see some use out of it. the attack and accuracy buffs won't be close to enough to make pet damage relevant on anything that it isn't already "good enough" on. not sure why SE thinks that a 100~120 (I don't remember the quotable value, it's somewhere around there) acc/atk compensates for marches, madrigals, minuets, chaos roll, hunter's roll, etc., but whatever. guess pets aren't destined to be useful on anything above lvl 115. it's pretty much the same boat as blue magic.

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i never said its terrible, I only said that pet pdif is kinda wierd. In my experience pet: atk never helped me much at all on anything remotly hard and i would advice to focus on pet:acc. I was assuming we were talking about high lvl stuff, because on low lvl stuff one wouldnt need the pet food anyway. but I am glad that you actually said that pet: atk effects pets in a bigger ration the players with same atk, just that the amount of atk for pets to see a big difference is not available.

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Originally Posted by Prothscar

that's not how pet pDIF works. there's a tiny difference between pet pDIF and player pDIF (well, for avatars and jugs anyway. I know nothing about automatons and wyverns), and it's actually a positive thing: ratio -> pDIF conversion has a different formula at low ratio, allowing pets to take less of a hit at low ratio as compared to a player. other than that, pets have higher ratio caps (not a negative, it means their damage gets multiplied by an even greater amount than players if you are able to get that much attack, which you can't, but anyway), different level difference bonuses (as in, they actually get them for being higher level than the target), and different level difference penalties. overall, pets actually have a stronger, more favorable pDIF function than players do, so not sure why you think it's terrible.

the real problem with pet pDIF is that pets get such sickeningly low ratios on higher level targets due to a lack of attack buffs. this food won't change that at all really, however if the MAB/MACC bonuses are decent then SMNs could see some use out of it. the attack and accuracy buffs won't be close to enough to make pet damage relevant on anything that it isn't already "good enough" on. not sure why SE thinks that a 100~120 (I don't remember the quotable value, it's somewhere around there) acc/atk compensates for marches, madrigals, minuets, chaos roll, hunter's roll, etc., but whatever. guess pets aren't destined to be useful on anything above lvl 115. it's pretty much the same boat as blue magic.

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Bingo. Nail on the head

Some think that acc is the answer; for now, ok, but there will come a time when your pet will need to do damage.............having partially boosted pets is not the answer; it is akin to releasing a half a$$ job, ppl will be back on these forums complaining this week.

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Originally Posted by Railer

How about making all Ready moves 1charge S.E.

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I will do you one better, a TP bar; the ready meter is a hidden restriction, they think we are not aware of that, but we are. This meter allows them to dictate when our pets can do special abilities. For instance, imagine a ready bar for a Samurai. Fudo: 3 charges, Shoha: 2 charges; Upheaval: 2 charges, Ukko: 2 charges, pretty sucky huh? What made SE think a meter was a good idea compared to a normal tp bar. Granted pets do not get tp nearly as fast, but still, waiting to do powerful moves is a pain.

Edit: Imagine how horrible monstrosity would be with a ready meter.

Greetings,

In addition to the new food items that are coming in the May version update that will boost stats for both master and pet, we are planning to make further adjustments for beastmaster moving forward. One of these adjustments will take place in the June version update and we will be adding an HQ version of Swirling Broth. With this adjustment, even if you do not have equipment with Beast Affinity, you will be able to achieve a pet level of 119 with Droopy Dortwin.

The May version update takes place this week, so be sure to try out the new food and let us know your feedback!

Hi Camate!

How are you today? Good? Fabulous!

Can we get the same benefits as the smn and have our pets, with proper gear, spawn 1-2 levels above us? If you could make this happen that would be keen.

Thanks Much!
A humble Beastmaster.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

In addition to the new food items that are coming in the May version update that will boost stats for both master and pet, we are planning to make further adjustments for beastmaster moving forward. One of these adjustments will take place in the June version update and we will be adding an HQ version of Swirling Broth. With this adjustment, even if you do not have equipment with Beast Affinity, you will be able to achieve a pet level of 119 with Droopy Dortwin.

The May version update takes place this week, so be sure to try out the new food and let us know your feedback!

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Glad to hear some additional adjustments are coming - no one ever wants me on beastmaster for group play. They say "do you have a DD?" No, BST is not a DD. I hope there is more than just a HQ jug that costs a fortune. Can you please relay to the dev team that its very frustrating to have to spend so much gil just to play beastmaster? Considering we're the only pet job that has to pay for our pet, can they stop putting low drop rate items as ingredients for our jugs? Ranger gets 90% recycle rate for ammo - ours goes poof! Not fun. We definitely should not have to rely on a high quality consumable synth either.

Good news, glad to hear that they will be adjusting bst moving forward; however, the hq swirling broth will change nothing, droopy sucks with merits and the gloves; this will allows those whom do not possess the aforementioned to suck less, but still suck, like the bst whom have those things.

Edit: i really do appreciate the communaction; it is excellent^^ However, I am just keeping it real, a hq rabbit is not news worthy; now, if SE would announce a scorpion jug or something, that will be breaking news imo. Droopy already exist, lol.

Can we ease up on the cray ingredients to make some of these jugs....

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

In addition to the new food items that are coming in the May version update that will boost stats for both master and pet, we are planning to make further adjustments for beastmaster moving forward. One of these adjustments will take place in the June version update and we will be adding an HQ version of Swirling Broth. With this adjustment, even if you do not have equipment with Beast Affinity, you will be able to achieve a pet level of 119 with Droopy Dortwin.

The May version update takes place this week, so be sure to try out the new food and let us know your feedback!

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Where are my HQ avatars?

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Originally Posted by Genoxd

Where are my HQ avatars?

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No clue, but you could have XIV's version of avatars.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

In addition to the new food items that are coming in the May version update that will boost stats for both master and pet, we are planning to make further adjustments for beastmaster moving forward. One of these adjustments will take place in the June version update and we will be adding an HQ version of Swirling Broth. With this adjustment, even if you do not have equipment with Beast Affinity, you will be able to achieve a pet level of 119 with Droopy Dortwin.

The May version update takes place this week, so be sure to try out the new food and let us know your feedback!

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While it is nice to hear some adjustments are taking place there are situations where a beast(pet) is not the best option.(knotted root intimidates pet lol.) Would be nice to have pets available max cap with beast affinity gear and merits of ever kind to maximize killer instinct job ability. To me most of the beastmaster nerfs in place are outdated for older version game balancing.

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Originally Posted by WoW

No clue, but you could have XIV's version of avatars.

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Good God, no thanks. Summoning a mangled, faceless, legless, stickman version of Ifrit just doesn't do it for me.

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Originally Posted by Genoxd

Where are my HQ avatars?

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They appear when you equip Seraphicaller.

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Originally Posted by Genoxd

Where are my HQ avatars?

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its called seraphicaller, try and get one (they drop pretty decent in Divine might II)

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Originally Posted by WoW

No clue, but you could have XIV's version of avatars.

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That wouldn't be so bad TBH, They can be buffed, healed, and can be told to stay put.

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Originally Posted by Damane

its called seraphicaller, try and get one (they drop pretty decent in Divine might II)

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That'd be nice if SMN could go to those fights :X

Would it be too crazy to be able to equip jug pets with some pet gear? Nothing crazy, just maybe 3 pieces (head, body and feet.)

But then, while it would be funny to see Mandy pets in armor I have no idea how that would work on Leeches...

Maybe just put them in a leather bag and pretend they are armored? XD

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Originally Posted by Genoxd

Where are my HQ avatars?

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You've had those for years. Garuda? She's a HQ Wind Spirit, Ramuh? He's a HQ Thunder Spirit.

No really though, like everyone else said just use Seraphicaller & Nirvana.

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Originally Posted by Genoxd

Where are my HQ avatars?

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Where's my HQ wyvern like the one the Campaign NPC Achtelle has? :p
Or better yet, one that can stay alive in endgame content...

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Originally Posted by Mitruya

Where's my HQ wyvern like the one the Campaign NPC Achtelle has? :p
Or better yet, one that can stay alive in endgame content...

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Drg DPS would be insane with one of those.

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Originally Posted by Raydeus

Would it be too crazy to be able to equip jug pets with some pet gear? Nothing crazy, just maybe 3 pieces (head, body and feet.)

But then, while it would be funny to see Mandy pets in armor I have no idea how that would work on Leeches...

Maybe just put them in a leather bag and pretend they are armored? XD

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Took them like ,10 years to implement this; too bad it was not on bst tho :(

Greetings,

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Originally Posted by HimuraKenshyn

Can we ease up on the cray ingredients to make some of these jugs....

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Speaking specifically for Swirling Broth, the development team is currently looking into making it slightly easier to obtain the Verboshroom by making this a drop item from the Funguar monsters that are found in Sih Gates and Cirdas Caverns.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,



Speaking specifically for Swirling Broth, the development team is currently looking into making it slightly easier to obtain the Verboshroom by making this a drop item from the Funguar monsters that are found in Sih Gates and Cirdas Caverns.

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great news, those shrooms are a pain to gather at times^^

Can they also just make some of the ingredients be trash drops from events as well? Beyond things that conserve other types of expendables, there's a reason it's a lot cheaper to purchase other types of them for other jobs. Their materials drop like crazy as trash drops from other events. While some people will always harvest and farm their own materials, a lot of it comes from people unloading their inventory and buying what is on the auction house. It would be nice for the same to be done with more food ingredients.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,



Speaking specifically for Swirling Broth, the development team is currently looking into making it slightly easier to obtain the Verboshroom by making this a drop item from the Funguar monsters that are found in Sih Gates and Cirdas Caverns.

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Too bad that's an undercapped pet... what about the availability of ingredients for pets that can actually go up to 119? I mean ibuki goes for like 300k a stack on my server

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Originally Posted by dasva

Too bad that's an undercapped pet... what about the availability of ingredients for pets that can actually go up to 119? I mean ibuki goes for like 300k a stack on my server

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Originally Posted by Camate

In addition to the new food items that are coming in the May version update that will boost stats for both master and pet, we are planning to make further adjustments for beastmaster moving forward. One of these adjustments will take place in the June version update and we will be adding an HQ version of Swirling Broth. With this adjustment, even if you do not have equipment with Beast Affinity, you will be able to achieve a pet level of 119 with Droopy Dortwin.

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Provieded this takes the same recipe, saying that isn't quite accurate.

True but unless they make it super common the HQs still wont be that common

Oh I know, I'm just saying the pet itself isn't necessarily a non-capping pet due to that fact, so the fact we can get more materials more quickly/easily should help aid in that supply all the same. Still, we've more issues than what this will fix of course especially when it comes to pet selection.

Especially since all it really does is introduce another pet that will most likely be fairly costly/rare which based on how strong it already is unless they bump it's stats and move lists some too along with it's higher level will be inferior to the boar and the bird. But yes our pet selection is horribad. Should really just do away with the whole cap thing for jugs. We already have a limiter in the form of ilvl weapon and relic gloves. And they clearly aren't capable of putting out enough pets with enough of a level range fast enough to give a half way decent selection. Heck even the good current 119 capable ones will be undercapped when they raise ilvl

So anyone try out the food yet or find out what it is called?

BG says this:

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Shiramochi: aka Acc Pet Food
Player
Accuracy: 883->953
Attack: 935->935

Pet
Accuracy: 843->951
Attack: 925 ->925

Kusamochi: aka Att Pet Food
Player
Accuracy: 883->883
Attack 935->1007

Pet
Accuracy 843->843
Attack: 925->1038

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recipes:
Shiramochi
Cooking Rank Adept:
Fire Crystal
1x Sticky Rice
1x Cornstarch
1x Distilled Water

Kusamochi
Cooking Rank Adept
Fire Crystal
1x Sticky Rice
1x Mugwort
1x Cornstarch
1x Distilled Water

On Difficult Ark Angel Valoredge automaton still got about 50% accuracy. This is with Divinator, pet:accuracy set and Shiromochi. While it is a start. This still is NOT enough to qualify us for any higher than difficult. We won with trouble but i had to rely on Canibal blade as weaponskill. We won with bst,pupx2,smnx2. Summoners are the main source of damage. Puppetmasters are needed because of te Strobe attachment. Without that Summoners get hate by just summoning. The Beastmaster is there so the puppetmasters have time to resummon automatons. If accuracy was higher on automatons and pets the fight would go alot faster and the need for the summoners would be less.

Biggest defect on automatons at this moment is their fragility. Bst pets and Automatons have very shitty defence and get hit like any other non ochain player. Bst pets can hold this out with their high hp, but us puppetmasters got almost no chance. The HP of the Automatons NEEDS to be ALOT higher or give us the same innate damage resistance as summoner pets. We get hit like every other player, but we dont have a white mage to cure our pets. This really needs to be adressed. Even with armor plate I and II we still get rocked.

Yea the food isn't going to cut it, I may come back to the game in June if there major adjustments to Beastmaster. Until then I guess I will just keep my 20$.

As expected, lol.

Food is not the sole answer for players (Whom are stronger than pets), hence it was premature to believe that some extra acc would solve anything; our problems are much deeper than one stat. Even if the food granted pretty decent hit-rate, bst jugs in particular do crap damage, so then what? Would it have been a start? No. A start means that pets are still an unfinished product thus need more adjustments, aka we would still be ineffective until the process is complete. We just need a update which address all of our issues; not just one stat.