New 2-hour Abilities

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Originally Posted by Cyranda

Why would that be ridiculous? 2-Hour abilities should provide an approximately equal benefit to all jobs. If PUP can only use its 2-Hour just as often as any other job, it should provide exactly the same level of benefit every two hours whether it affects the puppet, the master, both or the party. Why on Earth would it just affecting the puppet be grounds for making it not as good?

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Why should it? SE has made it clear countless times that this isn't the case where pet jobs are concerned.

I'll redirect you to only recently with BST and TH. You do NOT gain the same effect, nor should a pet job ever do so in SE's eyes. Be grateful PUP got as much as it has.

Hi SE,

Perhaps it would be best to share with us the ideology behind the new two hour abilities so that we may better understand your intentions.

I am a career bst and as such, I will only comment on the new bst 2hr ability. It seems to me that your intent is to implement an "oh sh*t" ability such as run wild. Is this the reasoning for the new bst 2hr and the other jobs as well?

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Originally Posted by Camate

Finally, I have one request when submitting feedback. We have been seeing comments stating that “we don’t want this” and “totally remake it.” Your feedback is something we wish to utilize in our efforts to make the game better, so instead please try to be as specific as you can with how you’d like it aspects to change.

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Yeah, I guess "this is worse than waking up on the floor of a public restroom" isn't the most constructive feedback I've ever offered. Let's see what I can muster...

Beastmaster - Stoneskin may be far better than Reraise depending on the potency and duration, but this ability is never going to feel like a boon unless it gives the master offensive buffs rather than defensive buffs. The pet itself is commonly viewed as a unique and powerful defensive option for Beastmaster, so briefly giving up a pet for a defensive buff just feels like walking a mile to trade one orange for one orange.

On the other hand, in large group activities, there are times when pets contribute very little due to being unaffected by party buffs. Simple creatures just don't have the right sense of rhythm to benefit from Marches, I guess. I'd be more than happy to eat my pet for a unique offensive buff in those situations.

Blue Mage - I know this guy isn't on the test server yet, but it seems self-explanatory enough that I'm going to complain right now. Gaining unlimited use of Unbridled Learning spells isn't a flawed concept, but most of the spells currently under the Unbridled Learning Umbrella aren't spells anyone would want to use over and over.

The "best" spells are used more akin to enfeebling magic than purely offensive magic, such as casting Gates of Hades for the Intelligence-down or Bilgestorm for the various debuff effects. Casting these spells over and over isn't going to make the desired effect any better.

Also, the additional effect of Tourbillion is either broken or intentionally horrid in terms of accuracy. So, that's one spell down completely.

If the raw damage dealt by Unbridled Learning spells were increased, that would improve this new ability and Unbridled Learning as a whole. Alternatively, if one of the upcoming merits increase Unbridled Learning spell damage drastically while this new ability is active, that would work fine.

This one has potential to be a very good ability in some situations if things are changed a bit, but as it is right now, it is so bad that I doubt I would ever use it.

I'm not a big fan of having Mighty Strikes for PUP. It's only really useful for one or two frames, and it has very very limited uses. I would rather see Hundred Fists as the catch-all for the frames, including Harlequinn, as that it would allow the automatons to do more damage. Other than that Manafont is good, Chainspell is good (although it would be nice if the casting AI was directed more towards damaging spells), and I love Benediction. Eagle Eye Shot feels way too weak, especially when compared to Sharpshot's strongest WS. At the very least, it should be much more powerful than Armor Shatter.

SMN 2hr is really nice, although it would be nice if the duration was lengthened to a minute (to be on par with Chainspell), and if charge up time for BPs were shortened during this time.

I really also think that SE needs to take a second look at the enmity system. SCH, even if Embrava wasn't present, feels weak, especially considering the enmity dynamics. Any good tank worth their salt will be at the enmity cap at near the start of battle, and since the enmity cap is all the same for everyone, it has very little meaning. And considering how most damage jobs can also hit enmity cap, it makes the SCH 2hr rather meaningless. Add in Embrava, and the SCH 2hr might as well not exist.

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Originally Posted by noirin

i Honestly love the idea of a new bst 2hr that calls extra mobs for a brief period.maybe they'd stay grouped with your current pet and only assist it, not being controllable by the player.they'd stick around for the duration of the 2hr then at it's end, use their best ready moves [if in combat] then leave. As the idea above me suggested.
that, or i'd even be ok with like, consuming your pet to call a smaller version of a HNM to assist you for it's duration.
anything that kills my pet just for buffs? not worth my pet.i do pay for these pets you know.

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Yeah, I have to say, I am extremely disappointed with the BST two hour. It will be almost completely useless. Our pet is way better "stoneskin" than "stoneskin" - thousands of HP taking hits for us! Healable! And we pay for the darn things. Any ability that consumes our pet is going to suck, period. Call beast timer is too long to use in that way.

I'd much rather see a two-hour that vastly increased the offensive capability of our pet. The last thing bst needs is more defensive options. That's not our problem, our problem is that we are useless for haste-capped situations because half or more of our melee damage output doesn't benefit from party haste. If you give us native dual wield (even just DW1) and let our pets get haste, you can have both two hours. We need those things more than we need some crummy gimmick that no one will use.

I said it earlier in the thread and I'm going to say it again.

The new THF 2hr is a waste, TA on a 2hr timer.
The new SCH 2hr is a waste, hate reset for the entire pt when 99% of the time the sch is only in the pt because of 1 spell.

THF should have been the one to get the party-wide hate reset not SCH. Did you forget your "vision" for THF? Sure SCH has Libra and 2 spells that give or take enmity, but a full hate reset?

Enmity as the system stands is broken anyway so it really makes no difference since neither of these 2hrs will be used over their current counterparts. I just wanted to say that you`ve taken away everything from THF and now you're going to take away the core of what they`re supposed to be(in your eyes)

I don't really think you know what you are doing in regards to THF. If you do actually have a clue, please enlighten me.

Now that we've entered a newer and more positive era of suggestions, I'll re-post this:
Suggestion: Reduce Flourish recasts to 4 seconds while the new Dancer 2-hour is in effect.
Reasoning:
* Flourish Cost is by far not the most limiting part of them. Finishing moves can be obtained almost as fast as they can be spent.
* Once you activate the 2-hour and use Reverse Flourish/Climactic, you're left sitting there with your 2-hour up utterly unable to take advantage of it at all. That's just frustrating and cruel.
* 4 seconds was chosen because it's approximately low the recast would have to be for us to continuously skillchain.
* If you choose 6 seconds instead (like Waltzes) that will also work, but it will be less powerful.


As it stands, this ability will not see any use due to Flourish timers. It is worth two "free" Reverse Flourishes and one "free" Climactic Flourish. Even when used optimally (see below) it isn't really very useful.

Optimal use for this, as far as I can see, is approximately this:
Sekkanoki -> Presto -> Climactic Flourish -> Box Step -> Wild Flourish -> Evisceration (Transfixion) -> Exenterator (Distortion) -> 2-hour + Reverse + Meditate -> Evisceration (Darkness) -> No Foot Rise (AF2+2) -> Rudra's Storm (Darkness)
*wait for Reverse Flourish and build 100TP*
Climactic -> Rudra's Storm -> Reverse -> Rudra's Storm

Sounds pretty fabulous, right? Yeah, except when you realize that:
1) There are almost no situations where you could actually complete such a skillchain at the moment. Monsters either don't have enough HP, you aren't on Dancer, or they have some kind of status effect that is going to interrupt you.
2) You could have done almost exactly the same thing without the 2-hour. All you miss out on is one Tier 1 skillchain/skillchain level:
Presto -> Climactic Flourish -> Box Step -> Sekkanoki -> Evisceration -> Meditate -> Exenterator (Distortion) -> NFR -> Evisceration (Darkness) -> Reverse -> Rudra's Storm (Darkness)
If you were willing to burn a wing, you could do literally the same thing starting with Wild Flourish and just replacing the Reverse with a wing usage. Why is our 2-hour equal to a 5k Icarus Wing?



Suggestion: Allow the Warrior 2-hour to extend to Weapon Skill damage and extend the base duration to 1.5 minutes.
Reasoning:
* At the moment Mighty Strikes is superior to this 2-hour in almost every situation because it applies to both normal hits and Weapon Skills. Until you make an event that has us melee zerging elementals, this will not be used.
* If you make the outlined change, it will be used in some rare situations (like against Paramount Botulus in Legion). As it stands, people do 2000-4000+ damage Resolutions to Botulus with Mighty Strikes, which is likely more than they would expect to do with this JA.
* I suspect Hit Rate is auto-capped (or made 100%) when this 2-hour is active. A Warrior in high performance events is never alone, so you will be receiving the buffs that other DDs need anyway (including Accuracy ones), and this benefit is much more negligible in practice than I'm sure it seems on paper.

Kudos to Kingfury for the very FUN idea w/ illustration!

Additional Ideas for BST 2-hour abilities:

Feral Scream: Apply a 75%~80% Killer Instinct effect instead of a 15%. A big boost in enmity as well. 2 min duration.

Skinchange: The master 'passes out' (KO status w/ auto-reraise or arise effect) and player directly controls pet (from inside its head!) which receives stat bonuses depending on player stats, has additional ready moves unlocked, can skillchain, and charges removed for ready moves (tp only). 3~5min duration. This one is kinda like an inverse Spirit Surge on Dragoon; The lore stretches beastmaster a bit from telepathically linked to pets to "spiritually riding along w/ the pet" like a warg or skinchanger. This one is harder on development, and would probably need to wait until the "play as a monster pvp" system is added, but it would be SUPER COOL.

EES should be made a 5min JA it does less dmg than barrage anyways.
This new RNG 2h would maybe be 10min Recast/3min duration JA material because it does nothing but save you some gil and maybe add 100 dmg to your ws...

A real RNG 2h would be something like NO enmity gain for 90sec so we could actually go all out for once as for the 2nd perma Barrage even if its just for for 45sec sounds nice

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Beastmaster
We will be keeping the HP recovery and status ailment recovery as is, but we will be changing the reraise effect to a stoneskin effect. The strength of the stoneskin effect will vary depending on the pet. The idea is that Familiar will increase the pet’s offensive capabilities, while the new 2-hour ability will enhance the master’s defensive capability.

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Why remove reraise effect, that is really something good in this new 2 hours, sacrifice your pet to gain reraise effect, think i read about sic and ready timers being reset to 2 hours, that should be the problem with bst 2 hours, not reraise

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Originally Posted by Minikom

Why remove reraise effect, that is really something good in this new 2 hours, sacrifice your pet to gain reraise effect, think i read about sic and ready timers being reset to 2 hours, that should be the problem with bst 2 hours, not reraise

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It was kind of rubbish when Twilight Set granted that.

Drk's new 2 hour needs to be at least doubled in duration, if not tripled. 90 seconds would probably be really good.

Yeah these new 2 hours are mostly rubbish, 30 seconds are not enough time to make substantial change when you see other jobs got a nicer 2 hours that last 3 minutes - and all of those are the original 2 hours which as of now still far better than the new ones ever will be. They should at least make it 90 seconds for most of these 2 hours - so far they are all pretty much short duration, good to rubbish ability between all the jobs.

War: Commented earlier in thread. 100% (or very high) TA rate, bonus to +WSD%,

Mnk: A bonus to HTH base damage (at least +30-40dmg, could base it on Mnd/Vit stat or something) for 3 minutes

Thf: Make the trick attack reset the entire hate list except for the person who was tricked onto

Cor: Anything less than a half hour duration will be pointless, should even be active until death honestly, like old Drg two hour was

Bst: Consumes one equipped jug to give your pet bonuses (which last for the duration of the pet) according to the job type of the beast summoned by the jug Example: Falcorr eats a Gorefang jug (WAR), gains DA and attack bonus; Raphie jug (PLD)=Def/HP bonus; Dapper Mac jug (MNK)=Counter/-attack delay; Falcorr eats an additional Falcorr jug (THF) and gains further enhanced evasion and TH2

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Originally Posted by Xilk

Additional Ideas for BST 2-hour abilities:

Feral Scream: Apply a 75%~80% Killer Instinct effect instead of a 15%. A big boost in enmity as well. 2 min duration.

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This has potential - if they placed the focus on maxing out our killer effects across the board, it would fit in with SE's vision of a defensive buff for the master. :) And then as a side effect we could benefit from Gausape +2 usage for a 25% damage spike, while we intimidate the heck out of our foes. I would still lament that it only affects 7 mob families, but it'd be better than Stoneskin... and it would be more... Beastmaster-y. I dunno! Keep those ideas comin'!

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Originally Posted by Siiri

Drk's new 2 hour needs to be at least doubled in duration, if not tripled. 90 seconds would probably be really good.

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Most of the new 2-hours are compatible with the AF2+2 duration extensions, which are sometimes considerable. Smn Horn +2 doubles the duration of the new summoner 2-hour, for instance.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

The Development Team has returned from their summer break and has started preparing their responses in regards to all the feedback we have been receiving on the new 2-hour abilities.

To start off, I like to first share some changes that are being planned. [*]Beastmaster
We will be keeping the HP recovery and status ailment recovery as is, but we will be changing the reraise effect to a stoneskin effect. The strength of the stoneskin effect will vary depending on the pet. The idea is that Familiar will increase the pet’s offensive capabilities, while the new 2-hour ability will enhance the master’s defensive capability.
Finally, I have one request when submitting feedback. We have been seeing comments stating that “we don’t want this” and “totally remake it.” Your feedback is something we wish to utilize in our efforts to make the game better, so instead please try to be as specific as you can with how you’d like it aspects to change.

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You want feedback here you go..
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-After-Testing.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...hour-abilities

I do not think it is unreasonable to just merge this concept for the 2hour with wild run into one JA and make it something actually useful. and completely start over. With that said, Wild Run should of never been as bad as it is and this wtf JA will only dwarf it in failure. While the two combined could be useful in bad situations I don't see this warranting a 2hour restriction whatsoever.

Proposed 2 hour Primordial Instinct
If you really want to make it up to us Jugtmasters for your lies and nerfs, why not make a the new 2 hour boost whatever Job Traits the jug has to a higher level for a said amount of time? This would offer us the ability to maximize what each jug has to offer, every 2 hours. It is not game breaking for yully or falcorr to have THIII for when we are fighting a 24 hour spawn NM we need a drop from.
Job traits such as double Attack, fencer Tripple Attack evasion bonus Stout Servant would also get reflected boosts and whatever else jugs have that you keep hidden from us that we will never figure out.

PS: NO PET POOFING!

I don't see any reason to use the new BST 2-hour over Familiar with AF2+2 legs granting Haste+10 to my pet for 40 minutes. You should go back to the drawing board on it or just make it a separate ability with its own recast timer imo.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

Most of the new 2-hours are compatible with the AF2+2 duration extensions, which are sometimes considerable. Smn Horn +2 doubles the duration of the new summoner 2-hour, for instance.

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Shouldn't need to gear swap the body piece only for a little extra time on drk's 2hour, last I checked it was stated abyss cuirass +2 only gave 10 extra seconds to BW, unless that was proven wrong. The 10 measly extra seconds is the reason why I didn't complete this piece.

SE Please Read
What hell is drk suppose to do in 30 seconds, cmon SE show drk some respect. Every since the BW SE kraken club bulls**t you guys have had it out for drks. For example haste cap, Soul Eater nerf, AbsTP nerf, Its not too much to ask for extend duration for our 2hr, we have a high delay weapon and sec 30 seconds....does that make since too you.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

Suggestion: Reduce Flourish recasts to 4 seconds while the new Dancer 2-hour is in effect.

Suggestion: Allow the Warrior 2-hour to extend to Weapon Skill damage and extend the base duration to 1.5 minutes.

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Until people messed with these on the test server, I actually assumed the Dancer and Warrior two-hour abilities would function the way you're suggesting they should. My thinking was that if they didn't affect recast and weapon-skills respectively, what would the point be in adding them at all?

As these abilities are at present, they just don't make sense. No one is going to use a damage-dealing ability that is the same as nothing five seconds in (Dancer) or worse than another option in every way (Warrior).

The horrible duration of the Warrior ability does make sense compared to other new abilities, at least; horrible durations seem to be the norm. I'd like to think there's some reason for that.

There isn't, of course, but I need to tell myself that there is.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

Most of the new 2-hours are compatible with the AF2+2 duration extensions, which are sometimes considerable. Smn Horn +2 doubles the duration of the new summoner 2-hour, for instance.

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I was talking about DRK, which gets a 10 second boost with the relic +2. That is a joke for lack of better description.l

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Originally Posted by Siiri

I was talking about DRK, which gets a 10 second boost with the relic +2. That is a joke for lack of better description.l

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Blood Weapon was useful for years and is only 30 second duration. This new 2-hour lets you potentially lock TP moves for monsters during a zerg. Imagine ADL without TP moves.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

Blood Weapon was useful for years and is only 30 second duration. This new 2-hour lets you potentially lock TP moves for monsters during a zerg. Imagine ADL without TP moves.

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during said zerg unless the mob is almost immune to SE or BW we would be shooting ourselves in the foot damagewise by using the new 2hr

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Originally Posted by Raucent

during said zerg unless the mob is almost immune to SE or BW we would be shooting ourselves in the foot damagewise by using the new 2hr

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Congrats on describing all new content. Plus, there may come a fight where PD and Embrava aren't enough to zerg it safely. This 2-hour is the next solution. 30 seconds of safety is worth more than doing slightly more damage.

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It was kind of rubbish when Twilight Set granted that.

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Not everyone can get a Twilight set so this could be still useful, also sometimes while you change to Twilight set and die, reraise effect not work

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Originally Posted by Minikom

Not everyone can get a Twilight set so this could be still useful, also sometimes while you change to Twilight set and die, reraise effect not work

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anyone who has beast leveled can probably farm enough currency to buy a twilight set in a few days.

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Originally Posted by Camate

• Puppetmaster
  The same enmity properties for the player version of Invincible and Benediction will be added.
  (In cases where the head’s respective 2-hour ability will not work due to the combination of head and frame, such as a sharpshot head with a frame other than a sharpshot frame or a stormwaker head with a valoredge frame, we will be making it so Mighty Strikes is used.)

Finally, I have one request when submitting feedback. We have been seeing comments stating that “we don’t want this” and “totally remake it.” Your feedback is something we wish to utilize in our efforts to make the game better, so instead please try to be as specific as you can with how you’d like it aspects to change.

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What would PUPs like to see? A SINGLE ability that benefits ALL matons, something like Revitalizer. A one-shot ability that cures the maton to full, restores all MP, gives 300% TP and removes all negative status effects. Simple, elegant, and already in the game (when opening abyssea chests with Intense Soothing Light). It allows each automaton to do what it does best, without having angry villagers chase the horrible Frankenmaton with torches, pitchforks and rude gestures.
The current 2hr ability, Overdrive, does this as well. As weak as it is (it's barely on par with a 20min ability), it still gives each automaton an edge.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Finally, I have one request when submitting feedback. We have been seeing comments stating that “we don’t want this” and “totally remake it.” Your feedback is something we wish to utilize in our efforts to make the game better, so instead please try to be as specific as you can with how you’d like it aspects to change.

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It needs to be said: You'll stop seeing these comments when the content being announced stops warranting such responses. Some of these two-hour abilities really were just that poorly thought out.

When you introduce the ability to smack yourself in the face with a hammer and ask for feedback, you aren't going to get responses of "we can improve its efficiency at knocking out teeth by doing X."
No, you're going to get responses of "What is this rubbish? Scrap this entirely and give us something good instead."
I don't know why you'd expect anything else to happen.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

It needs to be said: You'll stop seeing these comments when the content being announced stops warranting such responses. Some of these two-hour abilities really were just that poorly thought out.

When you introduce the ability to smack yourself in the face with a hammer and ask for feedback, you aren't going to get responses of "we can improve its efficiency at knocking out teeth by doing X."
No, you're going to get responses of "What is this rubbish? Scrap this entirely and give us something good instead."
I don't know why you'd expect anything else to happen.

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I already did when I commented on the new PLD 2 hour, You can keep it as is, but have the mob(s) attack only the PLD for the duration of the ability. This would actually make it useful in a non solo situation.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

anyone who has beast leveled can probably farm enough currency to buy a twilight set in a few days.

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Or you know, a reraise earring.

Here's an idea:

To increase the Beastmaster's defensive capabilities, why not make the new "2 hour" a reverse Snarl while retaining the enhanced stoneskin?

Scenario:

My pet is about to die! Not good for BST! Oh no, still have 30 seconds left on Reward and my moogle drank my last DM! That's right, SE just gave me this new ability to save my hide in an oh-**** situation! *Uses new 2hr* Great, now the monster is focused on me instead! This stoneskin is keeping me alive just long enough to use Reward! *Uses reward* Great my pet is healed! *Uses Snarl* And the monster is back on my pet instead of me, just in time too because the last hit ate right through that stoneskin effect and nearly squished me!

Looks like the JP thread says stoneskin will be half the pets hp.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Looks like the JP thread says stoneskin will be half the pets hp.

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So Faithful is about ~2400 StoneSkin.

That's more useful for zergs than Familiar, but it still wouldn't really give BST a place in zergs.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

So Faithful is about ~2400 StoneSkin.

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Yeah, I don't think that will keep you alive for long vs anything that made you need it in the first place ; ;

Greetings!

During this week’s Test Server update we will be making the below changes and additions to the new 2-hour abilities.

New 2-hours will be added to the below jobs:

• Bard/Samurai/Blue Mage/Corsair/Scholar

*Currently there is a known issue wherein using the 2-hour abilities for bard, blue Mage, and scholar via the action command menu will result in not being able select the target properly. (In regards to blue mage, the spells for Unbridled Learning are grayed out and cannot be selected.)
We apologize for this, but please use the above job’s abilities and blue magic with either command line execution or macros.

Effect adjustments:

• Paladin
  Addition of an enmity increase effect equivalent to Invincible
  (We understand the feedback about the enmity cap, but we would like to look into and address this separately from the 2-hour abilities.)
  
  
• Beastmaster
  Reraise effect will be changed to a Stoneskin effect
  (The strength of the Stoneskin effect will differ depending on the type of jug pet called, and will be half of the pet’s max HP.)

While this week’s update will only encompass the above changes, we are continuing to look into other jobs as well, so there is a possibility for further changes and adjustments.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

[*]Paladin
Addition of an enmity increase effect equivalent to Invincible
(We understand the feedback about the enmity cap, but we would like to look into and address this separately from the 2-hour abilities.)

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I'm sorry Oki but you need to tell the devs this is a bad idea. They can not move forward with any enmity based abilities without first establishing that enmity in itself is worth paying attention to. As of right now as you said you have feedback about the enmity cap, I would suggest that be focused on rather than making abilities based around enmity itself because so long as more things are made for enmity its just more things that will need to be changed and tweaked again in the future if enmity itself is fixed.

If this ability is released before changes to enmity I fear the ability will be pointless until such a change is made, at which point the ability may function under a new law of order and not work properly or in a balanced nature. So while I am happy to hear you have heard the feedback players have given on the subject of enmity, I regret to say the 2-hour should probably be held back a bit until this issue is resolved, or it could have problems following the update that fixes enmity.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Greetings!

During this week’s Test Server update we will be making the below changes and additions to the new 2-hour abilities.

New 2-hours will be added to the below jobs:

• Bard/Samurai/Blue Mage/Corsair/Scholar

*Currently there is a known issue wherein using the 2-hour abilities for bard, blue Mage, and scholar via the action command menu will result in not being able select the target properly. (In regards to blue mage, the spells for Unbridled Learning are grayed out and cannot be selected.)
We apologize for this, but please use the above job’s abilities and blue magic with either command line execution or macros.

Effect adjustments:

• Paladin
  Addition of an enmity increase effect equivalent to Invincible
  (We understand the feedback about the enmity cap, but we would like to look into and address this separately from the 2-hour abilities.)
  
  
• Beastmaster
  Reraise effect will be changed to a Stoneskin effect
  (The strength of the Stoneskin effect will differ depending on the type of jug pet called, and will be half of the pet’s max HP.)

While this week’s update will only encompass the above changes, we are continuing to look into other jobs as well, so there is a possibility for further changes and adjustments.

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Wanna throw Dark Knight a bone???

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

• Beastmaster
  Reraise effect will be changed to a Stoneskin effect
  (The strength of the Stoneskin effect will differ depending on the type of jug pet called, and will be half of the pet’s max HP.)

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Are the devs really ignoring us this hard, that this is making it to testing?
This job ability is WORTHLESS.
It would still be worthless on a 1 minute timer.
It would still be worthless if it DIDN'T kill your pet.

There is no BST anywhere that cares for a heal + stoneskin at ANY POINT when they have a PET.
BST needs an entirely different 2 hour, as well as DNC.

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Wanna throw Dark Knight a bone???

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Are you trolling? The DRK 2hr is probably the best of the new 2hrs and is potentially one of the stongest 2hrs in the game in terms of how it increases your damage and how it inhibits the enemy. Testing shows it drains 30-50 TP per hit which means now only are you gonna be WSing a lot more, but the mob's TP moves will be completely inhibited. Throw on Tactician's Roll/Adoloquiem/Embrava and this new 2hr and you're gonna basically be spamming weapon skills. Now imagine 5 DRKs in an alliance using this move during perfect defense embrava. Normally during perfect defense the mob only had TP moves to really hurt an alliance, now the alliance will be impervious for those 30 seconds while the DRK's plunders all the TP the mob has been getting from being hit by zerging DDs. Now compare that to the DRG 2hr which just enhances the wyvern and heals it to full(Spirit Link heals 90% of its HP) and it gives stronger breaths(breaths that were resisted like nuts for 10-90 damage will do 200ish for 60 seconds..whooo and healing breaths heal a bit more which is moot outside of solo or failwhms.)